For Obama Supporters...

Originally Posted by Pseudonym

And I like your assumption that I believe every word Obama says.

I believe you are "assuming" I'm making that claim as I made no reference to what you claim. I have stated what "I" believe and nothing else. I speak from my experience and make no inferences. If I "assume, I will ask you a direct question such as this....

So...Tell me your thoughts on Obama's "talk" about being anti-war yet voting for continued funding of our continued operations of Iraq and Afghanistan where our men and women (and possibly my son) are dieing? Tell me your thoughts about his statement in his "Blueprint for America" to increase troop strength by 100,000. Why? If he's anti war then why vote to fund the war? Why the intent on growing a military? IMO...And please note that I said "IMO"....that actions speak louder than words.

For the record, my candidate is Ron Paul. Ron Paul just co-sponsored HR5843 which would eliminate all federal penalties for possession up to 100 grams, the first "real" call for federal decriminalization in over 20 years. NORML has a blurb here... http://capwiz.com/norml2/issues/aler...280301&type=CO

Meanwhile Obama voted for more taxpayer dollars to be spent on war (both overseas and "war on drugs"). Has he sponsored any legislation to decriminalize? No he hasn't. Talk is cheap. If it walks like a duck....

Originally Posted by VTXDave

I make reference to Prohibition and the trafficking across the US/Canadian borders as an example. Prohibition created a thriving industry of smuggling alcohol across said border. By repealing said Act that industry all but dried up and traditional trade and commerce was established.

That's true.

However, bootleggers never went out of business completely. Half the price of alcohol is tax. Moonshine is much cheaper and there is a market for it.

That's what we will see with legalization. Bootleg growers will continue their business, but for the same reason alcohol bootleggers do it: tax evasion.

But you are right about importing cannabis. It will be grown in the U.S.A., taxed or not.

Originally Posted by VTXDave

I make reference to Prohibition and the trafficking across the US/Canadian borders as an example. Prohibition created a thriving industry of smuggling alcohol across said border. By repealing said Act that industry all but dried up and traditional trade and commerce was established.

Legalization and decriminalization are two completely different legal concepts. When alcohol prohibition was repealed, alcohol was legalized. Obama has specifically stated that he is against marijuana legalization. What he is for is decriminalization. So trafficking will still occur because it will still be illegal to posses massive quantities. Making a comparison to alcohol prohibition is irrelevent because alcohol wasnt decriminalized, it was legalized, meaning that it was legal to posses and move any quantity of alcohol. Decriminalizing marijuana or any other illegal drug would not yield the same result.

And I've already addressed your war funding bill issue.

that was what i was trying to say, I agree with you on many of your points PS..I think its ignorant to cast aside a candidate because he doesnt support some issue, some people have to realize that the world we live in, is what the politicians have to adjust to..

you may want think that if weed was legal, trafficing the actual drug would stop, it would get worse!! in order to force japan to trade with Europe, they smuggled Opiates into there country, and any act to say no, Europe percieved to the whole the world as acts of war..

Now the U.S has legalized weed, after spending all that money against, The U.S has to take steps to prevent it from going cross the world..I.E trafficing..

Originally Posted by VTXDave

I believe you are "assuming" I'm making that claim as I made no reference to what you claim. I have stated what "I" believe and nothing else. I speak from my experience and make no inferences. If I "assume, I will ask you a direct question such as this....

So...Tell me your thoughts on Obama's "talk" about being anti-war yet voting for continued funding of our continued operations of Iraq and Afghanistan where our men and women (and possibly my son) are dieing? Tell me your thoughts about his statement in his "Blueprint for America" to increase troop strength by 100,000. Why? If he's anti war then why vote to fund the war? Why the intent on growing a military? IMO...And please note that I said "IMO"....that actions speak louder than words.

For the record, my candidate is Ron Paul. Ron Paul just co-sponsored HR5843 which would eliminate all federal penalties for possession up to 100 grams, the first "real" call for federal decriminalization in over 20 years. NORML has a blurb here... Contact Officials - NORML

Meanwhile Obama voted for more taxpayer dollars to be spent on war (both overseas and "war on drugs"). Has he sponsored any legislation to decriminalize? No he hasn't. Talk is cheap. If it walks like a duck....

Ron Paul is the man! thanks for pointing out that blurb on Norml. i went on the site and took action! I sent a letter to my Representative on the passage of HR5843.

I do not support Obama he is a liar, he is seriously just supporting decriminalization because he wants votes but he has not done anything significant in his life, he flip flops a lot and doesn't want marijuana legalized just decriminalized and he didn't elaborate on that so I don't trust him, he doesn't elaborate on any of his plans, he just says "I have a plan."... yeah its starting to get on my nerves but oh well.

mccain and obama are both douchbags

Originally Posted by VTXDave

I don't know. You tell me. I don't do drugs (but I fully support decriminalization), but I see a dichotomy here. Do you support Obama? Do you support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? If you're against out wars but support Obama, how do you resolve the dichotomy of him voting for this bill. Couple that with his statement in his "Blueprint for America" to increase troop strength by an additional 100,000 troops and that sounds to me like a recipe for continued occupation and/or Empire building (Iran?).

If Obama intends to "decriminalize" marijuana then of course there'd be no need to fund an additional 400 million to stop drug traficking across Mexico, yes? If he is intent on decriminalizing marijuana then everyone would grow their own and smuggling across the US/Mexico border would cease, yes? Remember the Prohibition Act? It created a thriving smuggling operation across the US/Canada border. When Prohibition was killed, that operation ceased to exist.

Obama is pro war. Obama is anti drug. Resolve that.

Just an FYI gentlemen contrary to what you've heard from some of us weed smokers, since 1964 (when we expelled trade with Cuba) there has only been 2 years that more marijuana crossed our border than cocaine both of them were in the 70's Now I know that we are specifically talking about Mexico, but read between the line Mexico grows one product marijuana and they are right next door Cuba's national product is Cocaine the numbers look like this of the $65Billion dollars of REPORTED that the South American drug trade was worth in 2007 39 of it was Coke, 11 was Herion, 11 was marijuana... So fellas please dont be fooled into thinking anyone and I do mean ANYONE is concerned with the smoke that makes its was across out border... and I'm sure that with 420 being a hot button item gubment people will have you believing that "our big problem is weed" I assure you its not so when we talk about drug trafficking rest assured its not the smoke that they are concerned about turning away...

P.S. While I am not the biggest fan of war a lot of our economy is dependent upon it... I'm not sure if you've read this but looks like Iran is next on the "get fucked up by America list" So while all the protesters stand out side and march about bringing home the troops just remember this : THATS WHAT THEY SIGNED UP FOR, and while I keep them in my prayers and I truly appreciate the job they do I do not feel like most who say "the troops need to be home"

With all that said I am still voting for Obama and heres why does it matter that he voted for war or against border control or that his Pastor is racist? Not really because he's still the best candidate hands down... when you watch tv do you always get to watch your absolute favorite programs? NO you don't but you check the listings and see whats on and you go with the best choice... ala Obama "08"