Alright, i started up this thread because the old one is completely stagnant.
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it pretty much consisted of two guys attacking each other and random ppl jumping in from time to time to point out things that were said 3 days before.

most ppl agree that u shouldnt talk politics or religion around ppl out of respect. if u think u may be an unreasonable person when it comes to the subject of religion, or u simply arent interested in taking part in any of these discussions, by all means don waste ur time.

in the previous thread, it started by discrediting the Holy Bible right off the bat, automatically putting an 'us verse them' feeling to the discussion. nobody has the exact views as the next guy, so its ridiculous to try to prove a religion 'false.'

by starting a new thread, it will hopefully invite new posters to the discussion.

How come evolution is seen as contradictory to creationism?

short answer:
Faith.

long answer:
Most religions see Man as the manifestation of God on earth (created in His image, etc.)

In order for religion to maintain itself, there must be a "faith-line". Cross it and you're religious. Don't cross it, and you are a scientist. The literal interpretation of religious texts leads one to consider the "miracle" creation story, where Man was breathed into life by God. Personally I take this to mean that the animal man, was embodied with consciousness by the creator. This in itself takes a leap of faith to believe. It makes more sense religiously, physically, and spiritually though, than a simple wave of the ole' magic wand.

Science is concerned with observable behaviors that can be analyzed and stamped as fact. This is what science is all about. This is what science MUST be about. Religion and science can never mix well, because science cannot grasp the mechanics and subtlties of conscious and the overlying power of the universe - yet.

Really it's about personal choice. And those of us who have felt conscious awareness in ourselves and/or others can hardly deny its power and "mystic" origins. Others will take an intellectual approach with theories and experiments that may or may not prove anything. When it does, great! When it doesn't, maybe some acid and meditation will help.

FYI - Einstein was obsessed with finding the connection between science and God, especially late in his life. Unfortunately he bogged himself down in electromagnetism and the connection eluded him.

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i agree, the tongue lashings were too bloody and nothing comes from emotional scourging of that sort on either side. SKH pushed me in a lot of new directions when we discussed this issue in the politics board.

How come evolution is seen as contradictory to creationism?


because if you take the intentional creator out of the equation you replace it with randomnness, which is equal to nothingness.

why has there been an effort to omit the word "Theory" from theory of evolution for the past several decades and why has this theory survived for so long despite no evidence to support it?

I just dont see why the faithful cant support evolution. there are a lot of things that seem to point to it being viable, and if God is has absolute power and is all-knowing, then Hed obviously be able to create the evolutionary system as well.

theres a misconception around the phrase 'scientific theory'. scientific theory does not mean "hypothesis" as in speculation. think of music theory - definitely not a hypothesis, but a working set of rules that define a body of knowledge.

i would guess that ppl stopped calling it theory of evolution simply cuz theyr lazy. and there have been points to proving it true, but being that evolution supposedly occurs over many generations, its difficult to observe during the span of one life. so we have to rely on history to support it. the ppl in the past (remember we're talking thousands of years) havent had extremely reliable means of storing info, and even if they did, there views of the world would cloud their judgment of what is worthy to put in the history books.

Oh yeah, and as skunk often brought up, bacteria and viruses have been known to adapt in labs. scientists know that to be fact. thats why we have to get new shots from time to time. the flu bug evolves and the vaccination that worked on its ancestors wont work on todays flu.

one of my uncles, a bio ph.d., does actually blend evolution into his religious views, something of an agnostic flair with a bit more hands on...quite interesting how he squirms around with certain questions.




dropping the term theory is an effort to forget that evolution is only a theory and nothing more because so many have made "evolution" their god, their religion.

further, one generation of bacteria will last 20 minutes; we have observed billions^billionth of generations of them in a lab with no evidence of evolution despite some very elaborate and creative schemes to induce, transmit and/or conduct this supposed power behind all life.

bacteria and viruses have been known to adapt in labs.

i can adapt by cutting my hair if it is hot, did i evolve?

No; when the world gets so hot that we can hardly take it our children will start being born with less hair, the children after even less. This is an example of evolution.

You're right preoq', the last thread was getting rather stale and I was actually starting to dread having to repeat myself again.

I really can't understand how, given what we know, people can deny evolution exists. How is it that a virus that can kill us, when dosed with small amounts our bodies will evolve an immunity to said virus? Our white blood cells will learn to recognise the threat and destroy it. Likewise the virus has the potential to do the same thing. We must evolve to survive.

The reason creation and evolution can never get along is because a god supposedly designed us in his own image... quite difficult to believe when we are made from flesh and blood, and our bodies need to die before we can go to heaven. If evolution is real, then this dying god would be a hermaphrodite mollusc.

I wouldn't have a problem with this christian religion, it's the muslim one that terrifys me. Religion is bad, belief in the unreal leads to a belief that life isn't the most important thing. Not so much with the christians, but they've certainly had their moments. I want all religion banned, and a new subliminal message pumped through our propaganda machine.

lol, fair enough. maybe skunk can ellaborate more for us, but i was under the impression that vaccinations (which are simply a small amount of the bacteria to bulk up ur immune system) had to be updated because the bacteria changed. bacteria are single-celled organisms right?. if our cells were to change over a long time, we would be forced to reannylize ourselves. we'd change. thats evolution if u ask me.

i think ppl look at evolution in a wierd way. imo, theres no way that we used to be monkeys, but its possible that humans and all the other animals on this planet used to be very similar, if not the same species, a long time ago.