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    I don't know much about vaporizing, I "grew up" with joints, bongs, and pipes. But it seems you can vaporize in many machines and choose the temp. to only vaporize the cannabinoids you want. But doesn't that potentially take away from the difference in the strains? Straight burning gives you all of the cannabinoids (theoretically) in the differing levels present in strains...

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    Not really.. ur still getting higher levels and lower levels depending on the strain.

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    There is that, but the type of high is controlled by changing the temp, right? Which is not a bad thing, methinks, but you have to constantly change temps to change the high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brotherjericho View Post
    There is that, but the type of high is controlled by changing the temp, right? Which is not a bad thing, methinks, but you have to constantly change temps to change the high.
    Idk... whenever I vape I dont crank it up too high, just basically get off all the trichomes, leaving plenty of green bud to stick in the grinder and roll up.

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    The temps aren't as adjustable as they make them seem. If you want different highs, get different strains. jmo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 420God View Post
    The temps aren't as adjustable as they make them seem. If you want different highs, get different strains. jmo.
    I agree with this..

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    Well here my 2 cents. Some vapes don't adjust and most of them don't reach 400 F. This will vape the thc with ease but the CBD and CBN have higher vaporizing points both slightly over 400 F. So if you have a volcano or another high end vape you most likely can reach these temps in which case I believe strains do matter a lot. CBD can delay the initial effect and prolong the lasting effect of THC. If you cant reach these temps in your vape you could essentially smoke a strain high in CBD and not get much of it at all. So it wouldn't matter much how the high description of that strain was you've essentially changed its effects by smoking it at a lower temp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brotherjericho View Post
    But it seems you can vaporize in many machines and choose the temp. to only vaporize the cannabinoids you want.
    Its probably fairer to say you can get different ratios of cannabinoids with variable temp machines. And yes, there is a noticeable difference in effect between vaping at low temps and high temps.

    Its not easy to get as specific as your statement suggsts, since you can't extract out high-temp cannabinoids (like CBD) without either simultaneously or previously extracting out the low-temp ones (like THC). In other words, if you want "just" CBD, and you set your vape temp high to get it, you'll also be pulling out THC (and potentially dozens of other cannabinoids).

    In theory, if you only wanted to extract out one specific cannabinoid, you could set the machine ten degrees lower, extract out everything that vapes at a LOWER temp first (then throw it away), then raise your macine to the specific temp of your particular desired agent, and then get a vapor that was highly enriched for that particular compound. But in practice, I don't think anyone actually does this.

    Also, as a matter of practice, the very act of inhaling hot air over a heated element changes the temperature of both the air AND the element. So with a typical "whip" (ie tube inhalation) design, any inhale you do is, all by itself, going to create a range of temperatures, not just the one your element is set at.

    But doesn't that potentially take away from the difference in the strains?
    I think vaping at low temps, definitely can mute the difference between strains, because you'd be getting less of a variety of cannabinoids in the vapor.

    But if you have your machine set to as high as it can go, just under combustion (typically about 380F), then you'll be extracting max cannabinoids, and you should see the differences between strains.

    Also, you can then "re-vape" the same stuff at a higher temp to extract out some more higher-temp cannabinoids.

    Lastly, some terpenes vaporize at higher temps too, and these are the constituents mostly reponsisble for different aroma/flavor characteristics of different strains. So the difference in temps can also affect flavor of the vapor, and not just its pharmacologic effect.

    Straight burning gives you all of the cannabinoids (theoretically) in the differing levels present in strains...
    The technical term is "combustion".

    And yes, burning "should" get them all out, though I think because of differing extraction and destruction ratios (burning destroys some cannabionids, and vaporization doesn't get all of them out) you're still going to see somewhat different cannabinoid profiles between burned cannabis and vaporized, even at max vape temp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bostoner View Post
    Well here my 2 cents. Some vapes don't adjust and most of them don't reach 400 F. This will vape the thc with ease but the CBD and CBN have higher vaporizing points both slightly over 400 F. So if you have a volcano or another high end vape you most likely can reach these temps in which case I believe strains do matter a lot. CBD can delay the initial effect and prolong the lasting effect of THC. If you cant reach these temps in your vape you could essentially smoke a strain high in CBD and not get much of it at all. So it wouldn't matter much how the high description of that strain was you've essentially changed its effects by smoking it at a lower temp.
    I agree with this. Temp does matter.


    As a bit more on temp, remember that the listed temp on your vaporizer "should" be the temp at the heating element, NOT the temp at the air/bowl interface where the stuff is actually vaporizing, and where it may be little cooler. So you have to bear this in mind, if you're trying to get "specific" with temperatures. The set temp, I think, is mostly a starting point. You still might want to "tweak" it a bit to see what works best for you, with your herb, grind, and pack.

    In terms of adjustment, the "useful" range is fairly narrow. You can start to get THC out at about 280F, though very little. At 320F you should be getting all all the THC, but substantially less of all the other cannabinoids. At about 440F you get combustion, though you may see it at 420F or maybe even lower in some cases.

    So really, your "useful" vape range is probably between about 320-400F. While you "can" use your vaporizer like a pipe and combust the contents, you probably "shouldn't".

    In terms of actual adjustability, most vaporizers that "can" adjust will combust the contests on the highest setting, so they've all got the range. The question is just figuring out the temp you like best, and getting it there.

    There are several vape models on the market where the temp is adjustable, but there is no thermometer to tell you where you are. For example, the Silver-Surfer vape has a simple knob that can literally adjust the element temperature from 0 - 900F.

    Begging the question of why this thing goes that high, with it, or similar models you will have to resort to some trial and error with the adjustment knob before you find your "sweet spot".

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