Where do you think the line is...

Originally Posted by Blaze Master

to each thier own, if someone thinks they need to smack their kid around a little then thats their decision.

Why do you believe this?

I don't believe kids are the same as property, having one comes with certain responsibilities.

When does their decision become abuse? What if a parent is mentally unstable and decides to discipline their kid for reasons, that, to you, seem trivial at best?

Originally Posted by Padawanbater2

Were you ever hit as a kid, Hep?

My dad and uncles would get the shit beat out of them for the stupid shit they would do.Didn't help them at all.My dad tells me he should have hit me when I was little, I tell him it didn't work to well for you.

Originally Posted by Blaze Master

i didn't say anything about "beating the shit out of your kids" i'm saying if somebody wants to smack their kids when they get out of line that is their own choice.

If I misunderstood you when you said it was cool to smack you kid around a little if you felt they deserved it, my bad. If you mean giving them a little swat when they do something really wrong then I agree. Such as the time my niece ran out into the traffic area of a parking lot right in front of a car. I swatted her on her diapered butt one time and she cried for two seconds, but so be it. I would rather be known as the uncle that gave one weak spanking vs. the uncle who saw his niece get run over. I just think it's VERY important to remember that if you have to continuously strike your/a child time and time again over the same thing, then it is not working. Doing such things to children can cause them to not be able to regulate their emotions, and have an extremely difficult time getting through life. Especially because I have similar problems, I would really rather that, my kids, my family's kids, anyone's kids don't share the same problems.

the line is bruises.
too many little kids go without a good smack and they turn out to be little shits.
I've had my ass beaten plenty of times... with belts, hangers, open hands, fists. i deserved it too. its not to say you should hit your kid for every wrong thing they do, and spanking should stop when they are ten (to be replaced by a well placed smack). belts and open hands only, belts for extreme disobeying, and open hands for everything else. no need to do like my mom did, with hangers and throwing stuff at me and getting hella heated and whaling on me.

Originally Posted by DuplicatePie

If I misunderstood you when you said it was cool to smack you kid around a little if you felt they deserved it, my bad. If you mean giving them a little swat when they do something really wrong then I agree. Such as the time my niece ran out into the traffic area of a parking lot right in front of a car. I swatted her on her diapered butt one time and she cried for two seconds, but so be it. I would rather be known as the uncle that gave one weak spanking vs. the uncle who saw his niece get run over. I just think it's VERY important to remember that if you have to continuously strike your/a child time and time again over the same thing, then it is not working. Doing such things to children can cause them to not be able to regulate their emotions, and have an extremely difficult time getting through life. Especially because I have similar problems, I would really rather that, my kids, my family's kids, anyone's kids don't share the same problems.

now i think you understand. if someone has to beat their kids regularly then it's not working and they need to try something else. it should be more of the threat of being smacked that is the deterrent.

I disagree. I really don't see any reason to hit your kid with anything other than your hand as it's pretty clear the only intention at that point would be to instill fear in them "Do you want me to get the BELT!?". That, to me, is the definition of abuse. You're not teaching them a lesson, you're teaching them to fear you and be obedient no matter what.

I've been hit with belts, shoes, hangars, cords, you name it.

I've seen kids who've never been hit a single time in their life and have grown up to be pretty decent people. I think there are a lot of personal biases showing when it comes to that, as the generations before us had pretty much no issue with it. But our generation has to consider all the Rx's more than half the kids in the country are taking on a regular basis and all the other variables that are seemingly being discounted (shut in culture, no exercise, no sun, constant video games, etc.), throw in what we're feeding them... recipe for disaster. The solution is to hit them to get your message across?

Seems absolutely counter productive.

smart people don't hit their kids, they teach them. if your kid acts like a little piece of shit, that's your fault.

unfortunately the majority of people on this planet are really dumb, so it's pointless to try to get that through to them... So at the end of the day you kinda have to sit back and accept it.

but another thing that's sad are kids that have shitty parents, or are born into a shitty situation.

statistically speaking, kids who grow up with both parents and live in a nice house, do better in school and are more well behaved.