This was an exchange from comments on a news article entitled Clarifying Law on Medical Pot, which for some reason are non-existent now. (However, the link for "Truth Manager" still shows his comments.) After giving my two cents' worth, I copied and pasted it into an email to my fiance, who was still on deployment at the time. (He just got home last week.) He was impressed with what I had to say, and urged me to share it with others. So that's what I'm doing.

I always post in purple; it's an OCD thing with me to always use the same font and color; if I deviate from this ritual, I go absolutely crazy! But to make this a bit easier on the eyes, I'll just do it in black this time. So, here goes!


Truth Manager

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As a cop I can tell you I NEVER actually run into a cancer patient or anyone else with a serious condition that was using marijuana or expressed a need to use it. Truth is the only people I come across using a prescription for marijuana are people with depression, non specific chronic pain or some other "can't prove it" B.S. FACT is that the entire medical marijuana industry is a scam in of itself. The only people they can produce to support their claims are people who have been s"suffering" from their deadly disease for 20, 30 or 40 years.........not exactly compassionate use for the severly ill and dying is it? Anyone can walk into one of these clinics and get a prescription without any kind of oversight or regulation. I challenge anyone to produce a doctor working at one of these clinics who has turned away a patient because they weren't sick enough............feeling a little down today? OK, here's your pot. What a load of B.S.

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Funny, I am the only one stating facts as I have personally encountered them. The rest of you are simply quoting media B.S. The truth in this country is whatever the media wants it to be and in the current time period most of the media are anti government and anti law because it feeds the minds of the ignorant and is a self sustaining industry. Instead of whining about the "prison industry" or other such B.S. take a look at the media...............how much of what they report is really news? Compare and contrast a slow news days to a busy news day. If you want to talk about education lets start there. The truth in these current times is never based on facts. If it were, you wouldn't be so upset about the facts I spoke of.

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Truth Manager, perhaps you have "NEVER actually run into a cancer patient or anyone else with a serious condition that was using marijuana or expressed a need to use it" because we aren't able to even leave our homes the vast majority of the time. On the rare occasions that we ARE able (often only with assistance from our spouses who've taken on the additional role of caregiver), we're so busy enduring the pain and fatigue from something as simple as sitting in the passenger seat of a car that the last thing on our minds is beckoning a police officer to us so that we can discuss our use and/or need of pain medication, whatever its form. The vast majority of attention that terminally and chronically ill people receive is empathy, pity, and contempt. (The first of those three is the only one that is acceptable, much less desired.) How many terminally and chronically ill people do you "run into" while you're on the job? I'm willing to bet extremely few, because we aren't doing anything that would merit encounters with law enforcement. We're too busy trying to survive and cope to even THINK about doing anything that would draw attention to us by law enforcement. To paraphrase Nixon, we are not crooks.

Further, I'd like you to DISPROVE non-specific chronic pain. If you can, then I highly recommend you leave law enforcement, because your true calling must be in the medical field, Dr. Truth. Do you really believe that lack of diagnonsense (soley due to many illnesses' symptoms overlapping each other, with no methods of testing found to *definitively* reach a *true* diagnonsense for the majority of "Invisible Diseases") means that people are not suffering?! We are prisoners of our homes, our beds, our bodies. Our entertainment consists of television, our social lives rely on the Internet; that is all that most of us are able to do aside from attempt to hide our tears day in and day out. You don't run into us because we're so consumed with REAL suffering that we aren't ABLE to do harm to others, even if we wanted to; and most of us don't want to because all we care about is A SHRED OF RELIEF FOR JUST ONE MOMENT. We are snubbed by society, told that we are "claiming" disability so that we can "live the life" off of the tax dollars paid by those who are not "lazy" like we are. (Insert sarcasm.) Then we are further condemned because we seek relief from our pain, and one of the most effective forms of relief (with the fewest side effects) happens to be something that is viewed as "unconventional" by those who believe they have the right to enforce their personal "moral" opinions on others.

You want specific? Every bone in my body feels like it is broken. Every joint in my body feels like there is no cartilage to buffer friction. My hands, arms, neck, and back scream in pain simply from typing. My neuropathy (that's nerve pain, just so you don't need to look it up in a dictionary) can be best compared to the most severe sunburn one could imagine, and most days I cannot be HUGGED because my nerves interpret even the softest touches as shooting and stabbing pain. Mundane things you take for granted such as cooking a meal (microwaving frozen burittos doesn't count), folding a load of laundry, scrubbing the toilet or bathtub, washing dishes, grocery shopping, driving a few blocks for a quick errand, checking the mailbox, brushing the dog, showering/bathing, ETC., are excruciating beyond description for me because my muscles are constantly spasming. My body is failing me, and has been increasingly at least since I was two years old. I am now 38, and doctors have stated that my body is less functional than the average woman in her mid-eighties. All that I've listed is how I feel on my GOOD days, and is only a basic summary of what "life" is for people like me.

How's that for "non specific" chronic pain and "can't prove it" B.S.? I'd like you to PROVE that doctors haven't been baffled by my body, unable to say whether I have lupus or RA or MS or spondolitis or fibromyalgia or a myriad of other illnesses/syndromes, because there are no definitive tests for most Invisible Diseases (or else you're stuck with MedicAid which refuses to authorize the MRIs and other tests that have been ordered umpteen times in an attempt to diagnose and/or rule out illnesses). Who are you to say that people aren't legitimately ill simply because they aren't terminal, or because you can't SEE their pain and suffering? What makes a so-called life like mine NOT a serious condition? I take it very seriously, indeed. I've no choice, whereas you do.

Imagine for just one moment the tremendous lonliness you'd feel if you couldn't have physical contact with your spouse and/or family members, etc., nearly every day of your life. Imagine watching everyone else live while you are forced to sit or lie down and barely survive, but never LIVE, aside from vicariously through your loved ones. Imagine giving up your career, your passions, your ability to go hiking or even walking your dog, dates and outings with your spouse and friends, LIVING, because even with a cane and wheelchair the pain OWNS you. Imagine losing nearly every one of your "friends" because they've become tired of you not being able to go out and party with them or don't have the energy to visit much of the time. (Yes, you indeed discover how many true friends you have when you are chronically ill.) Now imagine that there is a medication that will help to relieve much of your pain, has few to no side effects, doesn't put you into a stupor like "conventional" pain medications do (not all of us get "high" when using less will help relieve our pain and still allow us to keep our heads clear), make your life a bit more manageable, allow you to be hugged by your spouse, ALL of which helps to lower the depression and suicidal tendancies your so-called life throws at you (who wouldn't be depressed when "living" like this?!).... only to be told that you are wrong and immoral and criminal if you use said medication.

I wholeheartedly agree that there is not regulation in regards to the medical marijuana LAW in California. However, that is soley due to those who are supposed to be implementing and enforcing laws, from politicians elected by The People down to law enforcement officers paid their salaries by The People, passing their judgement on The People like me because they believe that their "moral" opinions ought to be enforced on others, at the expense of our health and our RIGHT to live with as little unnecessary pain as possible. I was extremely shocked to find that I did NOT need to provide medical records in order to obtain a medical marijuana recommendation from a doctor (which I can easily provide; my medical files must be as large as a full encyclopedia set by now). However, the lack of regulation is not my doing, and I absolutely resent being lumped into the same category as those who take advantage of a law (i.e., faking illness in order to obtain legal status RE: marijuana) that should have been regulated YEARS ago.

Who is "anti-law" in this scenario? Last I checked, California's LAW states that people who are terminally and/or chronically ill have the right to possess, use, and cultivate marijuana with the recommendation of a licensed doctor. You are the one making anti-law arguments, not us.

Feeling a bit down today? Here's your Prozac and Xanax. Got a headache? Take some Vicoden. Back pain? Eat some Oxycontin. Hard day at work? Down a few shots of whiskey. What a load of B.S.

"Funny, I am the only one stating facts as I have personally encountered them. The rest of you are simply quoting media B.S."
"The truth in these current times is never based on facts. If it were, you wouldn't be so upset about the facts I spoke of."

From your snide remarks about "can't prove it B.S." in reference to chronic pain and illness, I'd say you have NOT personally encountered the FACTS. You have no clue as to what you assert about me and people who are forced to live like me. We get upset about the "facts" of which you speak because you have NO idea as to what the FACTS are. I truly hope you never have to "personally encounter" the fact of life filled with pain and suffering, not to mention the stigmas put upon chronic illness. Even if that means you'll never understand people like me and our desperation to have a SHRED of relief.

That said, your self-righteous diatribe looks a lot like the "quoting media B.S." you so lament. I suggest it's time for you to FIND truth before you refer to yourself as one who MANAGES it.

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Eloquently put, definitely enjoyed reading it.
Hope you are doing fine as well.

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Lol prudent bias cops.

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Beautifully written. It makes me wonder whether it actually helped him clue in or not.

It's such a polarizing question, we tend to be zealots about it because the laws are ridiculous and biased and the classification of MJ is so obviously wrong to anyone that has tried it at least a couple times; they tend to be zealots because there is so much propaganda they never even doubt that MJ belongs to Schedule I.

I'll be forwarding your post to friends because it's such a powerful and beautifully written message; especially from your perspective. If that cop is right about one thing it is that we don't hear enough from medical MJ patients such as yourself. I volunteer for a hempfest every year so I've seen them and lots of wonderful speeches. They, more than my own interest for MJ, are what keeps me volunteering.

If I lived in a place with medical laws I'd sign up as a caregiver in a heartbeat! It would help me too as I also suffer chronic pains but if I lived in CA, I don't think I'd feel worthy/in enough pain to apply for a MJ card. Probably sound weird but I just got a badly busted leg (forever in pains and incapacitated), but still it just seems so silly to complain when I think of people like you and the folks with MS and cancer in my life.

I'm glad your man is back in one piece. Enjoy each other and squeeze dry every last one of these fleeting moments of happiness. What am I saying, you know the drill!

You are so courageous; my thoughts are with you and your husband. May your girls bloom into beautifull pain anihilating brownies and may each of your days be filled with peace (it sounds like you got the love part down pat).

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Originally Posted by ArBleiz Beautifully written. It makes me wonder whether it actually helped him clue in or not.

Thank you! It was simply from the heart. And frustration at constantly being told how we're just looking for excuses to be legal stoners. (I've absolutely nothing against recreational use; however, that's not part of the MMJ debate.) I doubt it clued him in, but it certainly made me feel better! And he did stop commenting on that article altogether, so it seems to have shut him up for the time being if nothing else.

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they tend to be zealots because there is so much propaganda they never even doubt that MJ belongs to Schedule I.

Indeed.... they are "quoting media B.S." they so love.

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If that cop is right about one thing it is that we don't hear enough from medical MJ patients such as yourself.

Hence my posting more comments and rebuttals to these diatribes than I used to post. I can't be a "reliable" activist in any conventional sense (one needs a more able body and reliable transportation from others, etc.), so I say my piece whenever I can in whatever form I can.

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If I lived in a place with medical laws I'd sign up as a caregiver in a heartbeat! It would help me too as I also suffer chronic pains but if I lived in CA, I don't think I'd feel worthy/in enough pain to apply for a MJ card. Probably sound weird but I just got a badly busted leg (forever in pains and incapacitated), but still it just seems so silly to complain when I think of people like you and the folks with MS and cancer in my life.

My mom, who makes me appear to be the poster example of wonderful health, taught me that pain is pain; there's no "competition" about it. I'd told her several times, "I mean, it's not comparable to what you go through, but I figured you'd still understand." She all but jumped down my throat one day, telling me, "If you're in pain, then you're in pain. It's not a contest, and you don't need to diminish or justify yours in deference to mine." A very wise woman, she is. There is no "worthy/in" about it, and no one should suffer needlessly.

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You are so courageous; my thoughts are with you and your husband. May your girls bloom into beautifull pain anihilating brownies and may each of your days be filled with peace (it sounds like you got the love part down pat).

And you are very kind. Peace.... now that would be a wonderful thing indeed!
Or, as I like to say, may the forces of evil become confused on their way to your house!

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what a wonderful read and how inspiring to others and i agree with you this persona they have about hust gettin the liscence to smoke is bs people need it not all of them that get it actually do im not in ca im in tx but if i were id be trying to weed out the dumbass docs tryin to make a buck on a mj card for their new mercedies benz n shit its ridiciouls one of the best aurgements ive read with great facts and im so glad u posted that and spoke from your heart you are definatly an inspriation to me i hope as well as others ++++ rep

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Great post and an excellent rebuttal to a fairly ridiculous article. I lost my step Dad to cancer and also his older brother. His older brother refused any medication when he finally went into the hospice. One of my cousins simply took him hash every other day to use. The poor man was riddled with cancer all through his body, and rather than take morphine and not be able to know who was visiting him, etc, he chose hash. Unfortunately my step dad's cancer was in his brain so he wasn't really all there.
Myself I am a recreational user, although like Albreiz I also have a busted leg/knee, I don't want to use that as an excuse as I sure enjoyed a smoke of MJ before I had my knee operations (X3) but it for sure helps at times like just now when my knee is going through a bad patch. I still exercise but this inevitably puts stress on the knee so it goes every couple of months and I am basically unable to walk properly for about a 2 week period.

Either way, I believe in the legalisation of all drugs which I know this thread is not about but just wanted to add my cents worth. After getting busted when I was 17 for a measly 1.1 grams and ending up in court - just before starting an Economics and Law degree - the Judge said "your punishment will be your criminal record", and that was that......not many Banks, Legal Firms, etc were ever going to hire me after that. And for what, having a little bit of hash....pathetic. At least the MMJ cards are out there for people, although not throughout the world yet..... it's a start.

My thoughts are with you Katatawnic and much respect for the thread. Props on its way. Peace.

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