[QUOTE=Chromulan;3110818] I don't see what is so unreasonable about paying 300-350 an oz.

I suppose there's nothing "so" unreasonable about paying that price...but I pity the idiot who pays that amount, LOL.

Seriously, I don't want to even figure out how much that would mean for me on any given month. Yikes.....find me a sugar daddy for this habit.

That's my point though.......I never want to associate myself with any "drug" where ANY greed at all exists.

This isn't cocaine. It isn't heroine.
It truly amazes me that people are so WILLING to fork out that kind of dough for weed.
If I EVER did..because I never have-----that bag had better damn well have a bunch of seeds from some very good strains included as a bonus. Otherwise, I don't care how damn good that bud looks.....you can keep your bag and go on your happy way. I'm not paying it.

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Originally Posted by CrackerJaxWelcome to the nanny state where strangers profess to know ur family better than you.....

i think 200 is fair per ounce, especially in areas where it is illigal,
but idealy id like to see a ounce at 15 quid which it wud be if it was legal to grow..;-(

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i wouldnt pay more then 200 for an oz.. fuck that.. thats why im growing so i dont have too

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Originally Posted by Chromulan I also love how you think just because the weed is expensive, everybody can just drop everything and move to a medical state. Last I checked, the cost of living in Cali is about 2-3 times more than it is where I live, so I guess I'm saving money living cheaper. It balances out the cost of my "expensive" bud.

Exactly! I live in So. CA, and the cost of living is disgustingly horrendous! And although I'm sure there are some people who move to an MMJ state, I highly doubt it's done often. People have jobs, family, friends, homes, lives.... they're just supposed to pick up and leave it all so that they can grow "legally" (and I put that in quotes because, as we all know, many people that obtain MMJ status aren't ill in the least).

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And just my personal opinion, bud grown outdoors can be very good, but indoors is always superior. Basically I feel that this argument by poplars keeps reverting back to how cheap outdoor bud is to grow. [....] Plus it never fails to get some good outdoors and theres a few gnats in it. I've never seen that in indoors. Frankly, indoor has more quality whether you're going to agree with me or not.

I couldn't agree more!

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Yes, it grows out of the ground, but so does all the produce you buy. People still have to spend 3-4 months growing it, hours and hours harvesting and trimming, and a few weeks of drying and curing. Thats close to half a years worth of work for someone to be inconciderate and say its worth hardly anything. Like somebody said on here early, it should only be free if you grow it.

Even when growing it yourself, it's never free; for the reasons you listed: the cost of supplies, as well as the hours and hours (and months and months) of labor. But it's most definitely cheaper growing your own. I can't afford med-grade; hell, I can't even afford Mexi brick! So I started growing in order to continue managing chronic pain; without MMJ, there's a very high chance I'd have committed suicide a long time ago. (Not exaggerating nor trying to be melodramatic either! Just the facts, sir/ma'am!) More than half of the basic maintenance renders me immobile the rest of the day, and I've wondered a few times if this is worth it. But I've gotta choose the lesser of two evils.... go without my medicine because I can't afford it, or have "stuck in bed" days from growing it on my own? I'll take the latter any day!

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Originally Posted by Babs34 Haha @ your ramble of the morning.. I'm queen of rambling. Ramble away.

YAY, a fellow rambler!

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I also think it's cool that they insist to pay. You are doing eachother a service...they want the smoke AND they want you to be compensated---nothing wrong with that. In fact, everything RIGHT about it.

My sons don't insist on paying; they just keep "hinting" (not so subtly either, lol) about free pot from Mom. They're 19 & 22, and IMNSHO they can support their own damn habits, just like the rest of us grown-ups!

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Were there not so much drama entailed in making something for it, I'd do so. Alas, it's too much of a headache in my book. Like you said, it's just not worth the risk.

Yep, yep, yep! I get enough migraines; I don't need to invite more.

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Originally Posted by Babs34 I suppose there's nothing "so" unreasonable about paying that price...but I pity the idiot who pays that amount, LOL. Seriously, I don't want to even figure out how much that would mean for me on any given month. Yikes.....find me a sugar daddy for this habit.

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This isn't cocaine. It isn't heroine. It truly amazes me that people are so WILLING to fork out that kind of dough for weed.

I paid that, and most often more, for years. I always had the best of the best, and it cost a very pretty penny. However, since I'm a "light weight" one ounce would last me two months or more. But four years ago, finances decreased exponentially overnight, and that meant no more primo for me. And a sugar daddy was out of the question.... I just don't think my fiance would've have liked that. How unreasonable of him, dontcha think?!

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Whoa there. Plenty of "that shit" has been looked at long and hard by a lot of very smart people, who agree that that shit is the best/only way to solve certain medical problems.

It doesn't help the MMJ movement any when potheads say things like "there's a strain out there for every disease". Pot is very good for a specific set of mental and physical health problems, and that's it. Lab-made serotonin reuptake drugs are better for certain other situations, and amphetamines are good in others. And all three belong in the doctor's arsenal.

We can't be pro-MMJ if we're anti-science or anti-medicine, can we?

we're not, but we recognize that pharmaceutical medicine causes 10x more damage to your body than cannabis can in an entire abusive lifestyle of use . . . .

cannabis is all natural, made from the earth. pharmaceutics use crude chemical reactions to create these chemical compounds that are supposedly the cure for your ailment . . .

though I've found that pharmaceutics rarely CURE anything . . . . they give you a new situation to deal with, new symptoms (side effects,)liver damage, brain damage, etc.

pharmaceutic companies don't give a fuck about your health. the entire basis of the pharmaceutical movement of non-natural drugs is primarily for MONEY.

trust pharmaceutics? enjoy your non-natural life and your non-natural death . . . . all for the packing of a pocket book of one man, and the suffering of an entire world of ignorant people.

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First and foremost, I am not a pothead. When a person uses that term, I envision Cheech and Chong.

Apparently you are a firm believer in the pharmaceutical industry. You are entitled to that belief. Simply put...I'm not. And "I" am entitled to that belief--without being referred to as a pothead.

I don't doubt that there are medicines out there that are helpful in aiding many illnesses. Never did I deny that. At the same time, I DO feel that there is a strain out there for many, if not most, "ailments."

You mentioned serotonin uptake.....you're talking anti-depressants. Granted, it works for some. For many, it is a CHEMICAL that is DANGEROUS for them. Why do you suppose we continue to hear of people having the side-effect of suicide? NO ONE ever attempts suicide because of MJ use. In fact, there are MANY strains that are used quite successfully in treating depression......and minus the bogus side-effects.

You go on to mention amphetamines. I have to enlighten you here. I am prescribed BOTH "serotonin uptakers" AND amphetamines. I don't care to continue to take either one of them. Know that once I get my hands on the RIGHT strain.....these CHEMICALS are HISTORY.

There are in fact strains out there which help you to focus, have more energy. Speed is extremely dangerous. Amphetamines are being treated by the pharmaceutical industry as a level one drug........MJ has been placed on that same level. There is NO comparison.......NONE.

When you are prescribed amphetamines, know it's for life. Also know that your body will continuously build a tolerance........rendering you ADDICTED to that "drug." You must build up the mg. dosage in order to have the same affect. You place your health at risk for doing so. People who don't even have a history in their family of heart problems......have heart attacks and DIE. This is all from the LEGALIZED and "helpful" chemicals.

Point out one person who died from MJ use.

I am an advocate of MJ's medicinal use for NUMEROUS illnesses.

While you are referring to me as a "pot head"......realize I have a disease in which I have EVERY SINGLE symptom of any and all you have ever read or heard about. With each and every symptom I have endured/suffered, there IS a strain for relief from ALL of them.......yes, I said it. ALL OF THEM. Chemotherapy is offered to me by my doctor as treatment. I no longer see this doctor. MJ, SCIENTIFICALLY, has been proven to be my treatment time and time again.

2 grand a month goes towards one medication alone. This "medicine" has such a LOW chance of even helping me........WHEREAS MJ has been PROVEN to ward off progression/symptoms--(ALL SYMPTOMS). I could go on ad-nauseam here...know it. I prefer to not go on tangents regarding my personal situation...but if a point need be made, I'm more than capable of backing my claim.

I find this comical. Lab-made serotonin reuptake drugs are better for certain other situations, and amphetamines are good in others. And all three belong in the doctor's arsenal.
"The doctor's arsenal".......LOL. Doctors are NOT experts on pharmaceuticals BY ANY MEANS. I have quite a few doctors as family members. I can educate them on more medications than they can me. Doctors know a little about a lot. They don't know a lot about everything. These drugs are marketed to them...they have to prescribe "something." Otherwise, they aren't doing their job. Doctors don't research on any extensive level a single thing about these CHEMICALS.
And arsenal was a very interesting word you chose to use. Most pharmaceuticals are just that......a weapon, not a cure....and certainly not worthy in most cases to even exist as a treatment. Just look to the Abilify commercial to serve as just one example. When that one "uptaker" does not work alone........use Abilify in conjunction. This is all for the purpose of pulling you out from the depths of hell, aka depression. Pay attention to the side-effects. For that matter, note how many are dying because of the combined and "prescribed" use. It's not only the actors/actresses in Hollywood you read about.
Oh......and that medicine that has a cost of 2 grand---I opted to take that one because the other two DEFINITELY WILL make you SUICIDAL........but the "others" up your percentage of getting better by an ENTIRE 3-10%. Let's chalk one up for the pharmaceutical industry.

What "specific" medical problems have you warranted appropriate for MJ use?

I assure you that my list is bigger than yours. My list will also have more scientific value than what you proclaim to be worthy regarding MJ medicinal use.

In short, speed and anti-depressants are not to be taken lightly. Once you start loading your body up with CHEMICALS, a change takes place. That's wonderful if it works for you and others, but I opt for what is NATURAL.....and proven. And ALL minus the insane side-effects. The more "chemicals" you allow to float through your body, the more at risk you are for the impending dangerous side-effects.

Again, there IS a strain out there for ALL diseases. Did I say it was a cure?

If because I smoke you think me a "pothead"...so be it. However, be careful when demeaning who I am. You simply have no idea how asinine a remark that was. Know who you are typing to before you insult me. I am not some little teenager hiding in my smoke-filled room....passing the bong saying "Dude, fill it up again."
It doesn't "help" the MMJ movement when you are running around referring to people who NEED to use it as potheads.

To you yours.....to me mine.

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Originally Posted by CrackerJaxWelcome to the nanny state where strangers profess to know ur family better than you.....

Thank you.....and every single "damage" you listed is what is offered me via the pharmaceutical industry. I have every right to say SCREW EM. It's an evil industry and I have every damn right to say that.

.........as I have every right to refer to it as "that shit"---someone apparently was offended by that...
2 grand a month (because so many intelligent people studied and put forth this "wonder" drug)----that gives me bullshit side-effects and clearly states that it MIGHT......."might" 7%--MIGHT HELP ME.
FK the pharmaceutical industry...f-k them.

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Originally Posted by CrackerJaxWelcome to the nanny state where strangers profess to know ur family better than you.....

straight up.

and you know, I've found medical research that states that cannabis works with every major messenger system in the brain.

therefore, it's better qualified to treat many illnesses and/or ailments because of this 'universal' effect on a wide variety of medical conditions.

but yeah, it's been proven to me, now I'm simply proving it to everyone else .

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wer im from
$10/20 a joint. smaller den a cig. evn smaller if its chronic or tastes real good
$100 for a bag that is 3gramz for good homegrown, pretty much any homegrown (outdoors)
and for $50 is pretty much half of a $100 bag.
$500-650 and maybe evn 1g for chronic and i THINK its 16gramz.
its fucKn cKrazy here. i miss cKali.

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