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10-28-2006, 01:50 PM
|  | Stranger Stranger | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Republic of Kalifornia
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Originally Posted by skunkushybrid I know I'm not the one being asked, but i really don't care if it is legalised or not. In fact it suits me just fine that it isn't legal. I just don't think it fair that we should be campaigning to get it legalised on medical grounds when this is not the whole truth of it. We like to get stoned, that's the whole truth, everything else comes after this. | The issue I take with your way of thinking is, you don't have the perspective of a cancer or HIV/AIDS patient, you have the perspective of someone that likes to get stoned for the sake of it. Now, I don't disagree with your motive or your freedom to do so, but I can't see where you assume that everyone that lights up is strictly in it for the high and not because it alleviates pain or helps them eat a meal.
I do want it legalized for everyone to use, but perhaps for different reasons. Yeah, the high is nice. Yeah, it's a cultural / social thing. More than that, it needs to be legalized because it's no different than alcohol or tobacco use (that kill tens of thousands a year) and those are deemed socially acceptable and are currently legal. Secondly, the 'war on drugs' is BULLSHIT and needs to stop. The revenue that is not only spent on Marijuana 'crime prevention', but the revenue that could be taken in by it's legal sale, could be put to so much better use. Third, America was built on libertarian values, thus the 'war on drugs' ain't American (I understand you're not from the US, but it is a valid point in my case). | 
10-28-2006, 03:25 PM
|  | Super Stoner Mr. Ganja | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Socialist Republic of Kalifornia
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| | AnswersToNone sez ... "Third, America was built on libertarian values ..." Amen to that Brother! Skunk ... I believe that your perspective is skewed here. Unless you have experienced chronic pain, HIV, Glacoma, or a variety of neuropathic diseases, then you are not qualified to speak on the effectivness of medical marijuana. You may have formed an opinion, but without experience with the above, your opinion is not based upon fact. Vi | 
10-28-2006, 10:52 PM
|  | makes its own sauce Mr. Ganja | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 2,326
| | Skunk, I'd say you just put a whole shoe store into your mouth. It's obvious that you haven't had any contact or experience with a medical marijuana patient. And just like most everyone else, once you do your tune will change. | 
10-28-2006, 10:54 PM
|  | 420 TIME Stoner | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North forty
Posts: 536
| | med | | I think my name says it all for me! The high is a pleasant by-product! | 
10-28-2006, 10:57 PM
|  | Marijuana Toker Marijuana Toker | | Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 173
| | When I said I want it legalized for recreation, I meant, I personally use it for recreation not medicine and should have the legal right to do so. This is more about freedom rather than using marijuana.
As far as the actual use of marijuana, you're right, It wouldn't make a difference to me. Regardless of what the rest of society decides, I'm still going to smoke my herb.
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10-28-2006, 11:01 PM
|  | Stranger Stranger | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Republic of Kalifornia
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Originally Posted by Doobie006 When I said I want it legalized for recreation, I meant, I personally use it for recreation not medicine and should have the legal right to do so. This is more about freedom rather than using marijuana. |
I agree with you 100%.  | 
10-29-2006, 01:38 AM
|  | Super Stoner Mr. Ganja | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Netherlands
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Originally Posted by potroast Skunk, I'd say you just put a whole shoe store into your mouth. It's obvious that you haven't had any contact or experience with a medical marijuana patient. And just like most everyone else, once you do your tune will change. | That's where you're wrong... My girlfriend's grandad is just one of the people I know that uses marijuana for medical reasons, he also uses alcohol and drinks a bottle of J.D. every day... He has a trapped nerve in his head and he says he smokes because it gets rid of the pain. I asked him if the pain killers that the doctor give him work, and he said they did and that it was simply more pleasurable smoking marijuana (he said this with a wry smile on his face). I also know quite a few people with AIDS through my connections in the dance music scene and although a few of them smoke weed I've never heard any of them stopping their prescriptions. I also know someone with huntingtons and parkinsons, these two are big on ecstacy which has been SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN to help sufferers of these afflictions, they smoke weed too but this does nothing to alleviate their symptoms.
Fact is weed helps a lot of people, whether ill or not. Every one who lights up IS in it (not strictly) for the high, everything else comes after. If prescription drugs work better then there's only one reason people want to ingest marijuana...
Oh, and the shoe store... I can take a whole warehouse. | 
10-29-2006, 04:58 AM
|  | Stoner Stoner | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In my closet.
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| | It is illigal just for the simple reason that the goverments must have fear over people and their choices, to control people and get people to conform with their idealogical reasonings why we pay taxes for our goverments to waste our money on million dollar dinners for contributing parties. kinda like Az. lotto for a vote! Who's paying the money and why. Is there a benifit to vote for one person or the other! We will never know! Do you know where your rep stands on maijuana reform? Would they truly work for the citizens? Does your vote even count? You tell me! I think not Bush said it correctly the other day when he was giving his speach. He said we(meaning polititions) all want to get into office to take power. You tell me if something sound fishy cause it sure does to me. Then of course it's a bit funny just before elections our gasoline is the cheapest it's been in 2 years!!!! Like they don't have a hand in it!
Laws are to make people safer but most fail.
Ok here is an example where i live it is illegal for chemical company's to sell anhydrus to people now since it is used for meth. Last I looked around meth is just as avalible now as it ever has been however now lets look at what this has done. It has jailed thousands for possesion. Farmers are most hurt by the new laws as they are having their shit ripped off left and right. It's a huge problem around here. So instead of just the stupid fuck who blow their house up and the users now we have childrens parent in jail farmers hurt tax payers an extra burden. Extra time wasted for law abbiders when they by cold meds lol. what's next in the us curfews at 9 pm water boarding if your caught with some green? My point is people here in the us we have the abbility to change things if people would stand the fuck up and stop being chicken shits and not let the corrupt goverment control and rule your lives. Vote for people who will work for the people. Get out and VOTE!!!!!!!!!!! | 
10-29-2006, 05:15 AM
|  | Stoner Stoner | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: oblivion
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| | bigballin appearently you never payed attention to our last election when states said we have hundreds of thousands of votes that were never counted. our votes do not count also. there is something called the electoral college. you should look up the mickey mouse vote sometime, I think you will find it interesting. I would love to see the US legalize it, but lets be fair to ourselves. it will not be legal for a long time due to the fact our government would have a hard time taxing it.
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10-29-2006, 05:21 AM
|  | Stoner Stoner | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In my closet.
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| | I know about elections and the electorial college is just a tip of the iceburg when it comes to counting votes. We all know our votes mean nothing yet everyone sits back and says just what you said. | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
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