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Default Pets soon to be Illegal!!!
Hey guys, help spread the word. Connecticut has already banned any pet that could be considered dangerous, including some species of dog (goes into effect in october, has already passed).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FPfL212CB8

PLEASE help put a stop to HR 669!!!!
Thanks to the chimp attack, we know have this going into effect on Oct 1st.

General Assembly File No. 516
January Session, 2009 Substitute House Bill No. 6552
House of Representatives, April 6, 2009
The Committee on Environment reported through REP. ROY, R. Of the 119th Dist., Chairperson of the Committee on the part of the House, that the substitute bill ought to pass.
AN ACT BANNING THE POSSESSION OF POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS ANIMALS AND THE IMPORTATION, POSSESSION AND LIBERATION OF WILD ANIMALS.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives in General Assembly convened:
Section 1. (NEW) (Effective October 1, 2009) (a) No person shall operate, provide, sell, use or offer to operate, provide, sell or use any computer software or service in this state that allows a person, when not physically present, to remotely control a firearm or weapon to hunt a live animal or bird.
(b) Any person who violates subsection (a) of this section shall be guilty of a class A misdemeanor.
Sec. 2. Section 26-40a of the general statutes is repealed and the following is substituted in lieu thereof (Effective October 1, 2009):
(a) No person shall possess a potentially dangerous animal. For the purposes of this section, the following wildlife, or any hybrid thereof, shall be considered [as] potentially dangerous animals:
(1) The felidae, including, but not limited to, the lion, leopard, cheetah, jaguar, ocelot, jaguarundi cat, puma, lynx, [and] bobcat, [the] tiger, serval, caracal, jungle cat and Savannah cat;
(2) The canidae, including, but not limited to, the wolf, [and] coyote and fox; [and the]
(3) The ursidae, including, but not limited to, the black bear, grizzly bear and brown bear;
(4) The hominidae, including, but not limited to, the gorilla, chimpanzee and orangutan;
(5) The hylobatidae, including, but not limited to, the gibbon or "lesser ape";
(6) The cercopithecidae, including, but not limited to, the baboon and macaque;
(7) The macropodidae, including, but not limited to, the kangaroo and wallaby;
( The mustelidae, including, but not limited to, the wolverine;
(9) The hyaenidae, including, but not limited to, the hyaena;
(10) The elephantidae, including, but not limited to, the hippopotamidae, including the hippopotamus;
(11) The rhinocerotidae, including, but not limited to, the rhinoceros;
(12) The suidae, including, but not limited to, the warthog;
(13) The alligatoridae, including, but not limited to, the alligator and caiman;
(14) The crocodylidae, including, but not limited to, the crocodile;
(15) The gavialidae, including, but not limited to, the gavial;
(16) The elapidae, including, but not limited to, cobras, coral snakes and mambas;
(17) The viperidae, including, but not limited to, copperheads, rattlesnakes, cottonmouths and all other adders and vipers;
(1 The rear-fanged members of the colubridae in the genera lothornis, boiga, thelotornis, thabdophis, enhydris, dispholidus, clelia, rhabdophis, hydrodynastes, philodryas and malpolon;
(19) The Burmese/Indian, African Rock, amethystine and reticulated of the pythonidae;
(20) The green, yellow and dark spotted anacondas of the boidae;
(21) The helodermatidae, including, but not limited to, Gila monsters and beaded lizards; and
(22) The Nile monitor, water monitor, black-throat monitor, white-throat monitor, crocodile monitor and komodo dragon of the varanidae.
[No person shall possess a potentially dangerous animal.]
(b) Any such animal illegally possessed may be ordered seized and may be relocated or disposed of as determined by the Commissioner of Environmental Protection. The Department of Environmental Protection shall issue a bill to the owner or person in illegal possession of such potentially dangerous animal for all costs of seizure, care, maintenance, [and] relocation or disposal of such animal. Additionally, any person who violates any provision of this section shall be assessed a civil penalty not to exceed [one] two thousand dollars, to be fixed by the court, for each offense. Each violation shall be a separate and distinct offense and in the case of a continuing violation, each day's continuance thereof shall be deemed to be a separate and distinct offense. The Commissioner of Environmental Protection may request the Attorney General to institute an action in Superior Court to recover such penalty and any amounts owed pursuant to a bill issued in accordance with this section and for an order providing such equitable and injunctive relief as the court deems appropriate.
(c) The provisions of this section shall not apply to municipal parks, zoos [and] accredited by the Association of Zoos and Aquariums or the Zoological Association of America, public nonprofit aquaria, nature centers, [or] museums [,] or laboratories and research facilities maintained by scientific or educational institutions [;] registered with the United States Department of Agriculture or to a person possessing a Bengal cat certified by an internationally recognized multiple-cat domestic feline breeding association as being without wild parentage for a minimum of four prior generations which cat was registered with the Commissioner of Agriculture on or before October 1, 1996, provided no such cat may be imported into this state after June 6, 1996. [; or to persons possessing animals legally on or before May 23, 1983.] In any action taken by any official of the state or any municipality to control rabies, a Bengal cat shall be considered not vaccinated for rabies in accordance with accepted veterinary practice.
(d) Any person who wilfully violates any provision of subsection (a) of this section shall be guilty of a class A misdemeanor.
Sec. 3. Section 26-55 of the general statutes is repealed and the following is substituted in lieu thereof (Effective October 1, 2009):
[No] (a) Except as provided in subsection (c) of this section, no person shall import or introduce into the state, or possess or liberate therein, any live fish, wild bird, wild mammal, reptile, amphibian or invertebrate unless such person has obtained a permit therefor from the commissioner. [, provided nothing in this section shall be construed to require such permit for any primate species that weighs not more than fifty pounds at maturity that was imported or possessed in the state prior to October 1, 2003.] Such permit may be issued at the discretion of the commissioner under such regulations as the commissioner may prescribe. The commissioner may by regulation prescribe the numbers of live fish, wild birds, wild mammals, reptiles, amphibians or invertebrates of certain species which may be imported, possessed, introduced into the state or liberated therein. The commissioner may by regulation exempt certain species or groups of live fish from the permit requirements. The commissioner may by regulation determine which species of wild birds, wild mammals, reptiles, amphibians or invertebrates must meet permit requirements. The commissioner may totally prohibit the importation, possession, introduction into the state or liberation therein of certain species which the commissioner has determined may be a potential threat to humans, agricultural crops or established species of plants, fish, birds, mammals, reptiles, amphibians or invertebrates. The commissioner may by regulation exempt from permit requirements organizations or institutions such as municipal parks, zoos, laboratories and research [laboratories, colleges or universities] facilities maintained by scientific or educational institutions, museums, public nonprofit aquaria or nature centers where live fish, wild birds, wild mammals, reptiles, amphibians or invertebrates are held in strict confinement.
(b) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a) of this section, the importation and possession of the following species is prohibited: (1) Any primate in the families cheirogaleidae, lemuridae, lepilemuridae, indriidae, lorisidae, loris, daubentoniidae, galagidae, galago, tarsiidae, callitrichidae, cebidae, pitheciidae or atelidae; (2) the sciuridae, including, but not limited to, the prairie dog; (3) the viverridae, including, but not limited to, the civet and genet; (4) any venomous species in the family arachnidea, including, but not limited to, the tarantula and scorpion; and (5) any poisonous species in the family dendrobatidae, including, but not limited to, poison arrow frogs.
(c) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) of this section, the Commissioner of Environmental Protection may issue a permit for the possession of a service primate to a permanently disabled person with a severe mobility impairment, provided such disabled person submits written certification to said commissioner: (1) From a licensed medical doctor attesting to such disabled person’s disability, mobility impairment and the need for a service primate to provide an essential function that cannot be performed by the disabled person; (2) that such service primate was legally obtained, is from the genus Cebus and is trained by an accredited service primate training organization; and (3) that the organization furnishing the service primate to the disabled person is a nonprofit organization and is in compliance with all applicable federal and state animal welfare laws.
(d) Any such fish, bird, mammal, reptile, amphibian or invertebrate illegally imported into the state or illegally possessed therein [shall] may be seized by any representative of the Department of Environmental Protection and [shall] may be relocated or disposed of as determined by the commissioner. [Any person, except as provided in section 26-55a, who violates any provision of this section or any regulation issued by the commissioner as provided in this section shall be guilty of an infraction. Importation, liberation or possession of each fish, wild bird, wild mammal, reptile, amphibian or invertebrate in violation of this section or such regulation shall be a separate and distinct offense and, in the case of a continuing violation, each day of continuance thereof shall be deemed to be a separate and distinct offense.] The Department of Environmental Protection shall issue a bill to the owner or person in illegal possession of such animal for all costs of seizure, care, maintenance, relocation or disposal for such animal.
(e) Any person who violates any provision of this section or any regulation adopted by the commissioner pursuant to this section shall be assessed a civil penalty not to exceed one thousand dollars, to be fixed by the court, for each offense. Each violation shall be a separate and distinct offense. In the case of a continuing violation, each day's continuance thereof shall be deemed to be a separate and distinct offense. The Commissioner of Environmental Protection may request the Attorney General to institute an action in Superior Court to recover such civil penalty and any amounts owed pursuant to a bill issued in accordance with subsection (d) of this section and for an order providing such equitable and injunctive relief as the court deems appropriate.
(f) Any person who wilfully violates any provision of this section or any regulation adopted by the commissioner pursuant to this section shall be guilty of a class C misdemeanor.

This act shall take effect as follows and shall amend the following sections:
Section 1 October 1, 2009 New section
Sec. 2 October 1, 2009 26-40a
Sec. 3 October 1, 2009 26-55
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See, it's when people abandon common sense and do stupid shit that the damn government finds another thing to regulate and find ways to punish or imprison people. Why anybody would want to make ANY of the animals on that list a PET is beyond me. Is it just me, or does it take a genius to realize that a crocodile, komodo dragon, or rhinocerous doesn't make for warm fuzzys??!! Idiots! Keep it up dumbshits, and you'll soon have no choices to make on your own. Probably sounds like a godsend to big government liberals out there though.
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That sucks if you own those type of animals, but it might be different if your son or daughter was mauled or killed by a wild type animal that has no business in domesticated homes. Thats why we have zoo's so people can see and enjoy without the dangers. Almost all of those animals on the list have no place in a residential home or setting.
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not really; this covers ALL PET ANIMALS EXCEPT DOGS AND CATS! no hamsters. no gold fish. no rabbits. no large breed dogs (ie, german shepherd dog, pitt bull, etc).

this is a blanket law that says any animal that can be dangerous or any hybrid created from said animals IS dangerous, and therefore banned and illegal.

it also means to euthanize the animals you DO have.
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yeah it will be reviewed and hamsters etc (as pointless as they are) wont be banned just the fucking stupid shit like crocodiles wont be allowed which I couldnt agree with more.

Sick to death of seeing stories that give these WILD animals bad names for killing/attacking people when they fucking choose to keep it on their property.
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yeah it will be reviewed and hamsters etc (as pointless as they are) wont be banned just the fucking stupid shit like crocodiles wont be allowed which I couldnt agree with more.

Sick to death of seeing stories that give these WILD animals bad names for killing/attacking people when they fucking choose to keep it on their property.
right. go look at the hr 669 brochure. the "dangerous burmese python" they have pictured is a common ball python. it has already been declared that there will be no grandfather clauses, no animals will be "added" to the list. for fuck's sake, it took the fucking PRESIDENT to get them to drop dogs and cats from the list!!!!
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right. go look at the hr 669 brochure. the "dangerous burmese python" they have pictured is a common ball python. it has already been declared that there will be no grandfather clauses, no animals will be "added" to the list. for fuck's sake, it took the fucking PRESIDENT to get them to drop dogs and cats from the list!!!!
i only care about dogs and cats, so sorry bro but u dont have my support

no hard feelings tho!

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i only care about dogs and cats, so sorry bro but u dont have my support

no hard feelings tho!

i hope they're toy breeds, as anything large and "potentially dangerous" is covered by the generalities. no pitt bulls. no rotties. no german dogs, no working dogs, no hunting dogs. any dog breed that has been reported in a biting case will be banned.
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i hope they're toy breeds, as anything large and "potentially dangerous" is covered by the generalities. no pitt bulls. no rotties. no german dogs, no working dogs, no hunting dogs. any dog breed that has been reported in a biting case will be banned.
If that's true, then fuck that. I have a pit, and I'll be damned if anyone's gonna tell me she's a danger to the public. Best, most loving dog I've ever owned! When it comes to barking at the front door when the doorbell rings, she barks- as what any reasonable person would expect. If somebody were to actually get past the front door, my beagle is actually better at acting like a real guard dog! Go figure. I just don't see where it says what you're saying in the draft.
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If that's true, then fuck that. I have a pit, and I'll be damned if anyone's gonna tell me she's a danger to the public. Best, most loving dog I've ever owned! When it comes to barking at the front door when the doorbell rings, she barks- as what any reasonable person would expect. If somebody were to actually get past the front door, my beagle is actually better at acting like a real guard dog! Go figure. I just don't see where it says what you're saying in the draft.
i'll c+p that part in a second. here's a post from another forum....

Won't affect anyone outside of Connecticut. That being said, all species banned in Connecticut are, well, banned.

(a) No person shall possess a potentially dangerous animal. For the purposes of this section, the following wildlife, or any hybrid thereof, shall be considered [as] potentially dangerous animals:
(1) The felidae, including, but not limited to, the lion, leopard, cheetah, jaguar, ocelot, jaguarundi cat, puma, lynx, [and] bobcat, [the] tiger, serval, caracal, jungle cat and Savannah cat;
(2) The canidae, including, but not limited to, the wolf, [and] coyote and fox; [and the]
(3) The ursidae, including, but not limited to, the black bear, grizzly bear and brown bear;
(4) The hominidae, including, but not limited to, the gorilla, chimpanzee and orangutan;
(5) The hylobatidae, including, but not limited to, the gibbon or "lesser ape";
(6) The cercopithecidae, including, but not limited to, the baboon and macaque;
(7) The macropodidae, including, but not limited to, the kangaroo and wallaby;
( The mustelidae, including, but not limited to, the wolverine;
(9) The hyaenidae, including, but not limited to, the hyaena;
(10) The elephantidae, including, but not limited to, the hippopotamidae, including the hippopotamus;
(11) The rhinocerotidae, including, but not limited to, the rhinoceros;
(12) The suidae, including, but not limited to, the warthog;
(13) The alligatoridae, including, but not limited to, the alligator and caiman;
(14) The crocodylidae, including, but not limited to, the crocodile;
(15) The gavialidae, including, but not limited to, the gavial;
(16) The elapidae, including, but not limited to, cobras, coral snakes and mambas;
(17) The viperidae, including, but not limited to, copperheads, rattlesnakes, cottonmouths and all other adders and vipers;
(1 The rear-fanged members of the colubridae in the genera lothornis, boiga, thelotornis, thabdophis, enhydris, dispholidus, clelia, rhabdophis, hydrodynastes, philodryas and malpolon;
(19) The Burmese/Indian, African Rock, amethystine and reticulated of the pythonidae;
(20) The green, yellow and dark spotted anacondas of the boidae;
(21) The helodermatidae, including, but not limited to, Gila monsters and beaded lizards; and
(22) The Nile monitor, water monitor, black-throat monitor, white-throat monitor, crocodile monitor and komodo dragon of the varanidae.

It also appears that no one is grandfathered in. You either relocate it or "dispose" of it. Looks like illegally keeping any species comes with a hefty fine (up to $2000) and they take possession of that animal. I assume to destroy it.


here is your dog loophole. since all dog breeds originate from the canidae, all canines are covered under this section. ALL canines!!!
(2) The canidae, including, but not limited to, the wolf, [and] coyote and fox; [and the]

keep in mind too, this is just connecticut that has already passed bill. this is not hr 669, wich is federal, nationwide. you know how politicians work; they write something up that seems one thing, but has loopholes and open ends to abuse the law.
 

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