Cancer!?

Originally Posted by Doer

Thanks for the NIH link. As for the rest, respectfully I have to say, anecdotal is not any kind of evidence. Cancer can, will and does remit spontaneously. Same for ulcers and anything else. Most Doctors will tell you that.

The placebo effect is very powerful and not even acknowledged as a primary curative. I will certainly not discount it. I used it heavily as directed intention, contemplation and visualization during my problems.

I just say what my Dr. say. Use everything at your disposal if you get cancer. But, don't mortgage your house for Purple Plate miracles.

Don't poison and or fail yourself with snake oils. By all means, eat smoke and otherwise consume cannabis everyday. But, don't put all your eggs in that basket.

It made the difference for me of sticking to it or quiting the most raw, mind boggling chemo of all. Interferon combos for Hep C. I tolerated it, barely, ate and smoked a lot of cannabis and am virus free for the last 5 years.

You must not have read the part about the 800 peer reviewed studies.

My dog is alive because Cannabis cured a tumor she had for which there is none.

You clearly are stuck on the idea that authority figures (in particular ones who have risen the food chain) are not sociopaths and are like you. The opposite is true almost always all through history. And actions speak louder than words. Approximately 1/100 people are sociopaths. Sociopaths are attracted to power and have no regard for anyone but themselves (on any level). They often take pleasure in others pain and really just don't give a flying fuck about you on any level whatsoever (and may even crack a smile to learn something horrible happened to you, especially if they helped to cause it because it feeds their desire for power and control).

Let me ask you a question, if a treatment is known to kill more often than it cures, is it snake oil? Because this is the category radiation and most chemotherapies fall under (Lancet study).

Originally Posted by mag8485

I think if someone tells their story about how they cured themselves with cannabis oil, it should be taken seriously, as with any anecdote about a medicine helping someone. Its not our modern standard for evidence but it doesn't mean its not true just because no official study has been done with human cancer patients yet. Cannabis was made illegal in every country in the UN in 1961, being illegal has held back research. I just don't trust the worlds leading pharmaceutical companies have peoples health as their number one concern. I believe profits come before the patient. So when i first heard about cannabis oil curing cancer i was open minded and looked into it further, i didn't believe it first but using my judgement i felt it might be true especially as all the videos and documentary's made by people were telling people to grow it themselves and showing how to make it, no one was saying 'buy it here'. Its now been two years and after reading the studies and listening to around 30 people who have used it and are cancer free i believe it works and I would use it before any chemotherapy or radiation treatment. I am aware that cancers can remit spontaneously but i don't think its likely that all these people who have used the cannabis oil by coincidence had their tumour's remit spontaneously and the cannabinoids were not responsible even though studies show cannabinoids kill cancer cells. But everyone is free to formulate their own opinion. Everyone should be free to use whatever they want for medicine. Always good to do your own research and not take anyone's word on medicine, even good doctors have sadly prescribed medicine to people which has killed them. Its great you had success using chemo and im glad cannabis helped you through it. Lets hope a major pharma company pays for the trials and proves it is the cure. It will open the door for a huge industry, start alot of research into the best combination of cannabinoids to target different cancers and other illnesses. Different strains can be approved for different illnesses and people can buy a seed and grow their own plants at home and store cannabinoid oil for use when needed. But as i said before i think BigPharma prefers to synthetically create all the cannabinoids in the plant so they can patent them and with synthetic cannabinoids available by bigpharma, no government would be obliged to make the plant legal. Business as usual.

My friend has been taking a huge combination of anti anxiety pills, anti depressants and sleeping pills for years and they cost the tax payer an absolute fortune and he is addicted and pops twice as many as recommended. I'm gonna get him on high CBD oil which i will extract from the industrial hemp plant, CBD has shown to be anti-xiolytic and anti-depressant. I will post the results.

It should be added that plenty of drugs were accepted by the scientific community based mostly on anecdotal evidence, most notably some old standbys like Aspirin.

I would also add you are naive if you think cannabis will ever be legal with the current crooked assholes in charge. Doctors with investments in pharmaceutical companies... former pharmaceutical company employees (who no doubt have a trust that contains all their stock options still) running regulation agencies, all kinds of conflict of interest that is both blatant and obvious.

What will happen is every cannabinoid and possibly terpene will be synthesized by the drug companies and made schedule III while the plant itself remains schedule I. The price of these drugs will be extremely high and they probably won't even be as effective as everyone has different biochemistry and cannabis plants vary tremendously and are extremely complicated chemically which makes the study of any individual compound problematic on many levels.

Originally Posted by OGEvilgenius

You must not have read the part about the 800 peer reviewed studies.

My dog is alive because Cannabis cured a tumor she had for which there is none.

You clearly are stuck on the idea that authority figures (in particular ones who have risen the food chain) are not sociopaths and are like you. The opposite is true almost always all through history. And actions speak louder than words. Approximately 1/100 people are sociopaths. Sociopaths are attracted to power and have no regard for anyone but themselves (on any level). They often take pleasure in others pain and really just don't give a flying fuck about you on any level whatsoever (and may even crack a smile to learn something horrible happened to you, especially if they helped to cause it because it feeds their desire for power and control).

Let me ask you a question, if a treatment is known to kill more often than it cures, is it snake oil? Because this is the category radiation and most chemotherapies fall under (Lancet study).

You don't know anything about me. And you've never had Cancer. BTW, imo, only sociopaths call the kettle black.

You are missing the point about detection. Actual Snake Oil, almond pits, shark "bones," Purple Plates, etc, don't cure anything.

And, Cannabis may cure a lot of things. The history says it does. However, the politics of allowed recreation, gets in the way currently, not the medical aspect. I want meds. That is a different question from legal, recreational drugs.

If, you like I was, are diagnosed late with a death sentence. You simply have the Jobs or he Doer option. To me the Lancet study shows how desperate we are to have better detection of early cancers, where I have no doubt cannabis can help.

It won't cure a virus. It will help you thru chemo, if you live that long. Or you can go the Steve Jobs short route. It certainly does not matter to me. So, you can knock off the personal right-fight.

Originally Posted by OGEvilgenius

I don't know. A lot of science these days seems to involve shouting down and silencing the opposition. In particular with Global Warming. That sends alarm bells to me as I don't think that's necessary when you really legitimately have a strong argument that isn't faulty.

You're pretty much ignorant to history if you don't think things happen behind closed doors that influence world events. This is how life always operates.

Been reading a lot about Rome and the history of the Mediterranean basin. Also, there has been a lot of new discovery that made the History Channel, and Spartacus, etc on TV.

It should be obvious, but is sat on me like a pall... what is wrong with this picture? Everything happens behind closed doors. The ways of power are arbitrary and cruel.

Ah...no law and order. No police, no court, no appeal. No effort even, for whodunit. Maybe the roots of local self rule are here in the form of a local neighborhood association, a Mafia to keep order.

Either Law and Order mostly, or bloody insurrection with cruel and unusual punishment, mostly. That to me is the simple lesson of history.

Steve Jobs never tried cannabis oil though. If he did i think he would still be here. Some people will never accept that cannabis is curing cancers, they dont wanna know the cure was here the whole time while they lost loved ones. People who have gone through chemo usually don't think its true, I tried to tell a woman who is terminal that she should look into cannabinoid treatment as the chemo hasnt worked and for the past two years it has just made her very sick, i cant imagine the suffering she has gone through, and not helped one bit, she didnt believe it and instead went back to her beloved oncologist for more poison. Some people just cant fathom that the pharmaceutical industry wouldn't offer a cure for cancer that anyone can make cheaply and it could replace 50% of all their other medicines (best medicine for arthritis, parkinsons, epilepsy,glaucoma, pain relief, Alzheimers-list is endless) . Even after you show them the medical literature and testimonials from people who have nothing to gain from lying they still dont believe it. I read another one today on Rick Simpsons facebook page by a woman who cured her daughter from cancer with it. Scientists at GWpharma and CannabisScience INc are working on cannabinoid cancer treatment right now, they wouldnt ruin their reputation if it was not true.

"Steve Jobs never tried cannabis oil though." Maybe, maybe not. The problem is no real science is allowed on Cannabis.
No large scale trials.

So, we don't know IF for every story of success there is x failures..death. We don't hear about those that shunned the chemo
for cannabis and died. No statistics. Steve didn't want the surgery even. Spoil the Temple, blah, blah.

He blew the chance repairing his ruined his meat robot was all. So as much as folks like A vs B arguments, I'm only saying it's
your life and don't shun 100 years of medical research in the west or 4000 years the east either.

Originally Posted by Doer

"Steve Jobs never tried cannabis oil though." Maybe, maybe not. The problem is no real science is allowed on Cannabis.
No large scale trials.

There have been over 800 studies on the subject. It's true that wide spread human trials are limited, but there have been human trials and they have shown great success. I agree that the current status of Cannabis seriously slows further research and that ought to be changed.

So, we don't know IF for every story of success there is x failures..death. We don't hear about those that shunned the chemo
for cannabis and died. No statistics. Steve didn't want the surgery even. Spoil the Temple, blah, blah.

It's true, we don't. But we do have A LOT of success stories. And it's a non toxic drug, unlike traditional chemical therapy which kills every cell in your body (which is why more people die than are saved by it).

He blew the chance repairing his ruined his meat robot was all. So as much as folks like A vs B arguments, I'm only saying it's
your life and don't shun 100 years of medical research in the west or 4000 years the east either.

There is a lot of good research in medicine, but there is a tonne of garbage science too. Tread carefully with anything, always.

I just read another story this morning posted on FB about a woman curing her cancer in 48 days on the oil, take a read folks
http://chrisbeatcancer.com/lindsey-c...is-in-48-days/