yellowing leaves in supersoil!!! ph? burning? tap water?? help! PICS!

Ah! Glad that's figured out. I made that exact mistake in my earlier days. I got lazy and used the same watering schedule for several strains... The thirsty ones thrived, and the less thirsty ones just looked crappier each time I watered. I figured it out with the help of a friend, and now I do a lift-n-check of each plant before watering. More work, but happier plants.

Here's what I would do:

-Wait until the soil is quite dry.

- Get some water aerating with a pump and air stone(s). Get it REALLY aerating. You want full saturation of oxygen (almost 10 mg/L). Remember, overwatering is not too much water for your roots, it's not enough oxygen. Roots have no problem swimming in water so long as it has plenty of oxygen (think DWC).

-Add Hygrozyme to the bubbling water right before you use it (at about 6ml/gal or so). This will help break down any dead/unhealthy root that was caused by the overwatering.

I think those two steps will fix you right up. Let us know how it goes!

SpicySativa said:

Ah! Glad that's figured out. I made that exact mistake in my earlier days. I got lazy and used the same watering schedule for several strains... The thirsty ones thrived, and the less thirsty ones just looked crappier each time I watered. I figured it out with the help of a friend, and now I do a lift-n-check of each plant before watering. More work, but happier plants.

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I know I used to always do a lift and check before I watered anything!! But this year I thought "bigger container, bigger plants!" so I went with the 30 gals, and when those are wet they are heavy as hell!!! Not to mention my hernia sugery last feb. lol. And yes you are right I have a plushberry and a AOS that is doing great!! but the jack, and the jedi and a few others are getting worse and worse with each watering. Is Hygrozyme different from H202(peroxide)? Cause I have used cap fulls of that in the past to clean out nasty roots.

Yes, it is different. H202 indiscriminately oxidizes any organic matter (including micro beasties). At small doses, it can actually HELP the micro life in soil by raising the O2 levels (at the expense of some unlucky oxydized beasties). At high levels, it can fully sterilize your soil. In my profession, we sometimes use h2O2 to stimulate bacteria in the soil as a way of degrading gasoline spills.

Hygrozyme is a non-living enzymatic solution. The enzymes are similar (actually the same?) as the enzymes bacteria produce to "eat". Since bacteria don't have mouths or teeth, the excrete substances which dissolve organic matter, and then bring this "smoothy" through their cell walls. Hygrozyme is just a concentrated version of these enzymes.

i would use mycostop: http://www.agbio-inc.com/mycostop.html.

That stuff looks really promising. Have you had good results with it?

Woahhhh, I need that right now! Where do you get it? I see a few online stores have 2 and 5 gram packs. Is this a one time soil drench?? Im scared my roots have been soggy for at least a few weeks now!! I don't want that nasty rot to set in.

Guys help!!! How can I dry these big containers out?? I don't think I added enough perlite!! They are declining by the day and dropping more and more leaves as we speak!!! I have not watered in over a week and they are still soaking wet!!!!

I think I am about to pull it out of that smart pot and check the roots and let them get some air, shes is gonna die within a few days if she doesnt dry out!! I am so pissed at myself!!

i think your plants are not drinking. if you have been consistently over watering there is a good chance you have a soil borne pathogen.

Meaning root disease or bugs? I just took the Jedi out of the pot. the roots were not even in the bottom 1/3 of the container yet, leaving that portion soaked. I did not see much brown rot, but the ball was not nearly as big as I had hoped. The rest are not looking as bad, still dropping leaves fairly fast. I am going to work on watering them with smaller amounts at a time I guess.

cal/mag is your friend. those that use r/o must supplement.


can foliar with some skim milk diluted and a bit of epsom salt

can also add the milk to the watering with your epsom salt.

at 300ppm soluble calcium milk ftw

I think cal/mag runs about 260ppm

foliar first to git the roots pumping put smartpot up so air flows underneath

foliar kelp/b vitamins couple hours after milk /epsom salt foliar

repeat couple days then when your pot has dried start using milk and epsom salt in your daily waterings

Some of the feed and water issues are inherent parts of strain and source of NPK. Some indicas have slightly clawed leaves that hang and they do better with amounts of water that will turn many plants yellow. The leaves and stems will lift in flower. Or, it grows more like a basil plant. NPK values are to some extent [SUB](not sure of correct word here)[/SUB] irrelevant, a highly variable guide. Some plants respond differently to the same NPK values where the numbers are irrelevant and the fert difference is many times dependent upon its source materials. Ferts derrived from animal products do not have the same effect on plants that ferts derrived from plant material have even though the NPK values are stated as being the same. Ferts derrived from chemicals will get a third result. NPK ratios are just a guide, a starting point. Using ferts is a learning process that changes with strain and soil types. Just because your buddy got fucked with fox ferts does not mean you cannot get excellent results with the same ferts. You have to learn through experience. No one here can give you an exact answer guaranteed to achieve the result you want.

What soil is your super soil and base soil mix? Seems like you had a drainage problem, I can't see that happening with Roots. Unless you never watered through to the bottom until problems started(a guess)

I am using a hybrid 4 bags roots and 4 bags happy frog, I think my mix either did not cook right or it is just too hot for these girls, they were doing great and it seems as soon as they hit that bottom layer of supersoil in the bucket then stunted, curled and yellowed and are now dropping leaves faster than I could ever imagine. Nothing I can do now but re-transplant all 12 into fresh plain roots soil. Highly doubt that's gonna happen at this point, eh...kinda wish I just went with roots and botanicare like I used to do. Thats they only thing I hate about supersoil if you mess up or miss judge your ratios you are just shit outta luck!!

What is a good way to get my waters PH up without using chemicals? When I add my Camag it puts the waters PH @ like 4...

baking soda, but general hydroponics ph UP and DOWN are what I use. But don't listen to me my plants are dying

I usually don't even check pH. When I do feel like raising pH, I use Earth Juice pH up.

so whats up guys, look at all these dropping leaves!! These plants were so pretty and green 4 weeks ago! As soon as they hit the super soil they starting dying almost instantly. I think these 30 gal smarties for these small plants was the death of them as well. Oh well this is how you learn I guess huh?

It looks like the overwatering and low PH issues have hosed you a bit. One probably caused the other. Overwatering leads to root rot. Root rot drops the PH, locking out nutrients causing the grower to try adjustments in feed that will only make things worse. Poor things are starving with nutes likely right there in the medium. Shitty cycle.

Happy frog as 1/2 the mix may have contributed as it does not drain as well as the roots. That and it's really light in nutes and under optimal conditions, that mix may have run out o gas outside.

My recommendation at this point? You have to clear the rot at whatever cost if you want to get her to finish. Hygrozyme may help a bit but a heavy shot of H2O2 will do it better. Will it kill the good microbes basically dooming the soil web leaving the plants with whatever is currently available? Yes. Will it kill the rot? Yes.

I know i may get flogged for saying this in the organic forum but hit them with some good old chemicals. H2O2 to kill the rot, then watch for a couple days, and if they need feed give them a 10-30-10 fert mix (or something close) at 1/4 recommended strength.

Emergency measure time...

Root aphids were what cause my problems