Discussion in 'Outdoor Growing' started by CrazyChester, Sep 11, 2008.
But youve got eggs and hash browns! Its not all that bad!
Well, they got me. I became a bit complacent since I have been at war with spider mites. I have been dosing with alternating rounds of essential oils and orchard strength pyrethrin/sulfur mix. Mites are still there but kicked to the curb HARD. The problem was that cocktails did ZILCH for the worms. NADA!
A few days ago I noticed a little bit of necrosis on a bud tip. I tugged on the dead leaf and the whole tip pulled off and there was a baby worm. FUCK. I began looking around and found 3 more dead tips. More fuck. Spent a few days hunting and cleaning and today in the mid-day 80 degree weather I soak the crap out of everything with BT. Veggie garden to. I see the skipper moths and thought nothing of it. DIE! I said.
Included a couple of pics I took at inspection. You can see the dead tip(s) or where I pulled them off.
Have you folks noticed these critters forming stuff that looks like webbing on flowers? The "webbing" only becomes apparent after harvest when breaking up flowers. Practically no damage to leaves. Will post some pics in a day or two.
Wow, that doesn't sound good. Is the webbing like a spider-web? That sounds suspiciously like spider mites. Look closely on the bottom of a leaf, they will look like black specs. With magnification, you'll see they are spider-like mites.
Since you said you see it when breaking up buds, if it's on the inside, it could be fungus.
Are your leaves speckled?
Here are pics of textbook spider mite damage:
I'm doing pretty good- I found one small bud that was affected today, I cut it out and examined it closely and found caterpillar poop but no critter. I think the BT may have killed it. I'm spraying again tomorrow morning.
I have a personal war with spider mites and white spiders in general. I dont want to imagine the sick feeling one gets at the discovery of infestation.
On another note...
I have found myself, this evening, lying in the hammock among my garden looking at tonights pictures of the plants and giggling. And giggling. I am so pleased with myself and the outcome (almost) of my first grow that im giddy. I think im hooked. I never want to stop. I cant be the only one to get this excited about growing.
Alright folks false alarm. Looks like im dealing with something entirely different. Definitely not spider mites. Dealt with those buggers in the past, and can spot them a mile away.
I believe i have some kind of eggs (maybe some kind of leaf miner) hatching in my coco, and the little microscopic bastards make there way up the foliage. And create webbing to set up for their next stage of life(cocoon?). Its really terrible because unlike spider mites this webbing covers each calyx on the flowers really tightly. Making it almost impossible to even notice that there is webbing. Also had some minor holes showing up on the leaves.
Will still post a couple pics in this thread. I was so sure it was caterpillar from moth.
It just seems like worms is part & parcel with outdoor growing. Im in the process of chopping down and I am finding the occasional tiny worm. I'm talking real small, like half the length of a pinkie fingernail. I'm cutting out the affected areas & washing all the bud with a peroxide mix, then clean water.
I'm assuming an airborne fly of some sort might lay the egg for these things to get in there. They are real tiny so the damage can be disposed of.
It's just a bitch cause I literally have to get into each bud I'm trimming to look for these things, I obviously don't want contaminated product.
I've read various threads, where you go into cure and the worm will then parachute down on a string of silk, have had that happen too. It's too late when that happens. That means it was in there shitting and the bud is contaminated.
You need to cut out the afflicted area when you trim before you cure.
Also, washing your bud will not hurt the product. You want a clean sterile product. Trim, debug, dunk in peroxide water mix, final rinse, hang. I've found dead flies in my water solution after, you don't want that in your smoke either. I'm of the opinion washing outdoor bud is a MUST.
Washing is good, and it's also important to inspect your bud thoroughly. I've lost *way* more bud to rot than bugs.
I've chopped 4 and still have 7 to go. Two of them are 6-footers.
Pretty sure I've got carpal tunnel syndrome, or I'll have it soon. Gotta find some gloves that fit over my wrist brace.
I'm about to harvest my first plant this morning. As its my first time i welcome your opinions.
damaged buds could really make things worse if not properly taken car of
"I've read various threads, where you go into cure and the worm will then parachute down on a string of silk"...
Dude, you nailed it. I've caught a few silk-line parachuters myself after about a week of drying time. Two teeny tiny worms that the sunlight coming in the door just happened to light them up otherwise I'd not seen them. My second plant to come down saw a few as well while alive and upright. Same scenario; after about a week of drying time I caught one 3/4 inch worm hanging about a foot below one of my colas so I've ribboned that branch to check for damage whence trimming.
You know exactly what I'm talking about. I've got ZERO rot this year but I'm gonna lose 25% to worms. Pisses me off.
I'm near completion on the takedown. I'm literally combing through each bud, digging in, extracting the teeney tiny worm, cutting out that section and washing. I'm having to pull open bud sections for thorough inspection. I still catch the occasional parachuter. They are so small. They haven't matured to even do any damage but it still grosses me out and I cut the entire section.
I'm trying to catch them before cure. Once they parachute you can't tell where it came from.
Yeah so I guess it's the white moth laying these eggs. I'm gonna f***ing nuke my yard next season. I'm gonna lay so much poison no moth will dare enter. Jokes aside I don't now how you fully prevent the worm outdoors.
I literally spayed my yard this year with so much bug juice, so frequently I could sit outside at night and not one single mosquito ever but me, bit I couldn't stop a dam moth. When I spray the shit you could see them fly out the grass trying to escape.
I think if that's your first harvest you did a hell of a job. You finished. Welcome to the 15% club. Cause the other 85% kill their plants.
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