WTF is aluminium toxsicity azomite

When people Talk about azomite always is that aluminium part..
Cant use humic fulvic acid with azomite because then ALU is easy uptake for the plant...that what they say
Even alchiaemier diessies they talking about from that ALU

So if IT happen will I see that toxicity as Plant problem /leaves sympthom as we see deficency
Or i will not see anything but the Plant will store that ALU inside her and I will smoke that and get sick
WTF dont get IT at all?


Want to top dress azomite but really scared what is the true

pollen205 said:

When people Talk about azomite always is that aluminium part..
Cant use humic fulvic acid with azomite because then ALU is easy uptake for the plant...that what they say
Even alchiaemier diessies they talking about from that ALU

So if IT happen will I see that toxicity as Plant problem /leaves sympthom as we see deficency
Or i will not see anything but the Plant will store that ALU inside her and I will smoke that and get sick
WTF dont get IT at all?


Want to top dress azomite but really scared what is the true

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Actually you wont won't see anything unless the concentration is extremely high, which would never occur from azomite because it would have been pulled off the shelves by now cause no one would buy it. Fortunately, there are studies that show that hemp has a way of dealing with these metals (here's the important part)... it actually moves them to sinks (leaves) away from the flowers and stores them there instead of in seed or flower tissue (these were soil bio- or phyto- remediation studies). So you really don't have anything to worry about. Since were are talking about plants of the same genus (cannabis), I feel it's pretty safe to say these same have the same mechanism of dealing with metals.

Thank you @ShLUbY

I use azomite and bio-ag TM-7 and never had a problem.

aluminum needs a very low ph to dissolve, in the 4.0 area.....if your medium is sufficiently acid to dissolve aluminum, your plants would be so fucked up that aluminum would be the least of your problems.....

http://www.spectrumanalytic.com/support/library/ff/Soil_Aluminum_and_test_interpretation.htm

if you're really concerned about it, add a little lime when you ad azomite, the lime will lock up any available aluminum...

ShLUbY said:

Actually you wont won't see anything unless the concentration is extremely high, which would never occur from azomite because it would have been pulled off the shelves by now cause no one would buy it. Fortunately, there are studies that show that hemp has a way of dealing with these metals (here's the important part)... it actually moves them to sinks (leaves) away from the flowers and stores them there instead of in seed or flower tissue (these were soil bio- or phyto- remediation studies). So you really don't have anything to worry about. Since were are talking about plants of the same genus (cannabis), I feel it's pretty safe to say these same have the same mechanism of dealing with metals.

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Interesting.

Source/citation?

waktoo said:

Interesting.

Source/citation?

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4235884/ - this one focuses more on cadmium

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0926669002000055 and this one also focuses more on Ni, Pb, and Cd

however, both studies results suggest that the highest concentration of these bioaccumulated metal toxins accumulate in the leaves (though they were found in other tissues, the highest concentration was the leaves).

and as Roger added, if Al is only bioavailable at pH of 4.0 or lower... then I'm going to conclude that Al is not something to be extremely concerned about in indoor soils that contain low amounts of metals.

ShLUbY said:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4235884/ - this one focuses more on cadmium

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0926669002000055 and this one also focuses more on Ni, Pb, and Cd

however, both studies results suggest that the highest concentration of these bioaccumulated metal toxins accumulate in the leaves (though they were found in other tissues, the highest concentration was the leaves).

and as Roger added, if Al is only bioavailable at pH of 4.0 or lower... then I'm going to conclude that Al is not something to be extremely concerned about in indoor soils that contain low amounts of metals.

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Peer reviewed science. Excellent.

Thank you!

waktoo said:

Peer reviewed science. Excellent.

Thank you!

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no problem. obviously it's hard to find peer reviewed anything for cannabis due to legal reasons. However there is some out there. a great place for peer reviewed journal articles is www.pubmed.com ; begin by typing your topic into the search bar and hit enter. this will bring up search results. then on the left hand side, you will see a list of filters. set the "article type" to journal article and review. this will yield you primary research and reviews of primary research. then set "publication dates" to whatever you desire, 5 years will be the most recent (obviously). and then set "text availablilty" to free full text. obviously this will limit your search results... but it will provide you with the full papers if you desire that. otherwise you can just view abstracts of the not free ones, which usually contain a brief description of their conclusions.

I wonder..
If you recycle your leaves into your no tils or composts though..
Would that put metals back in?

And would a single carrot be able to mine said metals out of soil if so?

DonTesla said:

I wonder..
If you recycle your leaves into your no tils or composts though..
Would that put metals back in?

And would a single carrot be able to mine said metals out of soil if so?

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I had the same thought a year or so ago. I don’t think it would matter much... basically nutrient cycling. I would like to think some microbes and fulvics/humics would bind them into the soil as well. Especially a no till bed. Not like we’re topdressing tons more rock dusts between every cycle

Hell if you cant taste it who cares. We're all gonna get alzeihmers anyway right. Dont they spray aluminum from the airplanes anyway.

LinguaPeel said:

Hell if you cant taste it who cares. We're all gonna get alzeihmers anyway right. Dont they spray aluminum from the airplanes anyway.

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there is no proof about the "chemtrails" behind airplanes. apparently it is just under certain atmospheric conditions where water vapor from combustion crystalizes in the atmosphere and can linger for hours. but people do stuff their armpits with aluminum every day from deodorant if you're not careful about what you buy. just read an interesting research article about alzheimers. they found a way, in a mouse model, to reverse/prevent neural plaque build up by overexpressing a naturally occurring protein in the genome that processes the plaques for removal. still a lot of research to be done but it's a pretty significant finding.

Since you mentioned it, I saw some study is out there showing likely/potential relationship between gum disease and alzheimers - but I forget the details.