Worm Juice - To Use or Not To Use? This Is My Question.

Worm Juice As Your Only Nutrient - Possible Or Not Possible?

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SnotNazi

SnotNazi

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So I'm on my second grow and once again I'm having problems with over feeding my girls. I bought some worm juice when I first started this hobby and only ever used it once on a seedling and honestly didn't and most likely wouldn't see any enhancement at that stage. I was browsing through the Organic forums here and not seeing much on worm juice, in fact I don't think I found any pertaining directly to worm juice. I'm left to wonder why? Does anyone have any experience with worm juice? I've read on other forums about using different quantities and the benefits but the information is all over the place and I can't see a solid answer anywhere. Hoping someone can shed some light on this for me.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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SnotNazi said:
So I'm on my second grow and once again I'm having problems with over feeding my girls. I bought some worm juice when I first started this hobby and only ever used it once on a seedling and honestly didn't and most likely wouldn't see any enhancement at that stage. I was browsing through the Organic forums here and not seeing much on worm juice, in fact I don't think I found any pertaining directly to worm juice. I'm left to wonder why? Does anyone have any experience with worm juice? I've read on other forums about using different quantities and the benefits but the information is all over the place and I can't see a solid answer anywhere. Hoping someone can shed some light on this for me.
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all depends on what you mean by worm "juice"
if that's simply an AACT then probably the majority of us organic growers have already utilized that.
I personally have never heard that term before.
can't help but imagine a bunch of worms going into a blender....
Need more info to know what you are talking about.
 
SnotNazi

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Idk what AACT is but I'm talking about EWC but just the liquid urine and pressed soil I would imagine is where it comes from. Its a manufactured product. "Worm Juice" by Rubicon Organic.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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SnotNazi said:
Idk what AACT is but I'm talking about EWC but just the liquid urine and pressed soil I would imagine is where it comes from. Its a manufactured product. "Worm Juice" by Rubicon Organic.
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ahhh, it's "bottled magic"
you could use it if you want, but if you had a fresh source of it, that would shit all over whatever anerobic stuff is in that bottle.
They don't really urinate like what you may be thinking... any "juice" created would be from whoever's manufacturing it, simply adding too much water.
here is some more info.

"Generally, the older the system, the more vermicompost will have been deposited in it, and therefore the closer the drainage liquid will be to actual “vermicompost tea”. The leachate from newer systems, and those that are poorly maintained can contain various phytotoxic compounds, so it’s important to be a bit more cautious when using it. Diluting it and/or aerating before use can help though."

that quote is from a vermicompost site
 
DonTesla

DonTesla

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One might wanna wonder how long a diluted, (pre-aerated?) worm-leachate would last for in a sealed bottle deprived from (continuous) aeration..

A side by side would be great here..comparing DIY Ewc tea vs the "worm juice"..

As for if you can get away with feeding only "worm juice" .. I tried a side by side of my non amended soil with Ewc tea vs a Dp supersoil (water only).. The supersoil had denser nuggets from the bottom up, from the get go..with less viney stretching. Made me say I'm never doing a non SS again, lol.

Your strain will have a lot to do with your success too, but The end result on average, for me, was two large jars of bud per 5Gal (2x1L) vs one large jar (1x1L)

Hard for me to turn away that second jar..lol

And to add to GreaseMonkeys post, the worms also contain sweet amounts of plant-building protein in their "body", which is what causes the foaminess in an AACT. To test the viability a bit, you may wanna aerate that worm juice pre-application and see if she foams for you ..

Also, going with a humus based rich soil like Black Earth with coir/peat and Ewc/perlite (aeration) will provide better results than just coir, for example. Not sure if you mentioned your medium..

That said,

Anything is possible but the real question is will you have any regrets, and imo, you probably will.. But it's def possible.. SweetSensi is a weed after all, as much as i hate saying that about my favourite plant, and a very resilient one. As long as you learn a lot this grow and are better by round 3 it will be a success..

Good luck!!
donTesla
 
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greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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DonTesla said:
One might wanna wonder how long a diluted, (pre-aerated?) worm-leachate would last for in a sealed bottle deprived from (continuous) aeration..

A side by side would be great here..comparing DIY Ewc tea vs the "worm juice"..

As for if you can get away with feeding only "worm juice" .. I tried a side by side of my non amended soil with Ewc tea vs a Dp supersoil (water only).. The supersoil had denser nuggets from the bottom up, from the get go..with less viney stretching. Made me say I'm never doing a non SS again, lol.

Your strain will have a lot to do with your success too, but The end result on average, for me, was two large jars of bud per 5Gal (2x1L) vs one large jar (1x1L)

Hard for me to turn away that second jar..lol

And to add to GreaseMonkeys post, the worms also contain sweet amounts of plant-building protein in their "body", which is what causes the foaminess in an AACT. To test the viability a bit, you may wanna aerate that worm juice pre-application and see if she foams for you ..

Also, going with a humus based rich soil like Black Earth with coir/peat and Ewc/perlite (aeration) will provide better results than just coir, for example. Not sure if you mentioned your medium..

That said,

Anything is possible but the real question is will you have any regrets, and imo, you probably will.. But it's def possible.. SweetSensi is a weed after all, as much as i hate saying that about my favourite plant, and a very resilient one. As long as you learn a lot this grow and are better by round 3 it will be a success..

Good luck!!
donTesla
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damn Don, you did a side by side with no nutrients?! only EWC tea?
That's pretty commendable man.
I'd be curious as to how the coot recipe and the supersoil would do against each other.
That would be a cool side by side. I'd do it, but i'd have to buy guano, blood meal (yuck), bone meal (scary) and so on.
on a similar topic, I have a compost pile that I've been making since autumn, and I have sorta "pimped" it out a lil.. amending it completely like you would a soil mix, layering alfalfa meal, kelp meal, leftover guano, oyster flour, rock dusts, neem meal, and the pile is mostly leaves and rotten wood chunks.
it's just now getting to look like just humus, and I am going to do a soil mix just for one plant, and see if the compost retains enough nutrients to grow the plant using water only. (maybe a sst or two)
gonna do that this summer
 
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SnotNazi

SnotNazi

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Don,

What would I be proving if I put an air stone in the worm juice and it foamed, that it is a viable source as the only feed for my plant? I think I may do a side by side comparison - One plant fed only worm juice and the other a complete set of manufactured nutrients. I would obviously rather the organic as I can rest assured their would be no extra harmful chemicals but out of curiosity I think I'll do a side by side. My medium is pro mix bx with nothing added although I was just recently told that I should be using pro mix hp? Come the summer I'm going to be mixing my own soil for round three or four but for now I'll finish off my bag of soilless.

Green Machine,

Not too sure what I'm looking for to be honest lol. Just something that's easier to regulate I suppose and something that if over fed doesn't burn the hell out of my poor girls. From what I here organic grows are smoother smoke with better taste? Is this true??
 
green_machine_two9er

green_machine_two9er

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SnotNazi said:
Don,

What would I be proving if I put an air stone in the worm juice and it foamed, that it is a viable source as the only feed for my plant? I think I may do a side by side comparison - One plant fed only worm juice and the other a complete set of manufactured nutrients. I would obviously rather the organic as I can rest assured their would be no extra harmful chemicals but out of curiosity I think I'll do a side by side. My medium is pro mix bx with nothing added although I was just recently told that I should be using pro mix hp? Come the summer I'm going to be mixing my own soil for round three or four but for now I'll finish off my bag of soilless.

Green Machine,

Not too sure what I'm looking for to be honest lol. Just something that's easier to regulate I suppose and something that if over fed doesn't burn the hell out of my poor girls. From what I here organic grows are smoother smoke with better taste? Is this true??
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Well yes it very true!Taste. quality and overall better at letting genetics really shine. IMO. But if your in promix alone and looking for an all on one organic liquid solution idk how well that will work. Living organics doesn't rely on any solution or tea or feed plants. Rather keeping micro herd happy and active to help make all the nutrients avail which are cooked 30 days in a "super soil". It's not rocket science. And you can make aact super cheap. Once a month or more often.
 

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DonTesla

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SnotNazi said:
Don,

What would I be proving if I put an air stone in the worm juice and it foamed, that it is a viable source as the only feed for my plant? I think I may do a side by side comparison - One plant fed only worm juice and the other a complete set of manufactured nutrients. I would obviously rather the organic as I can rest assured their would be no extra harmful chemicals but out of curiosity I think I'll do a side by side. My medium is pro mix bx with nothing added although I was just recently told that I should be using pro mix hp? Come the summer I'm going to be mixing my own soil for round three or four but for now I'll finish off my bag of soilless.

Green Machine,

Not too sure what I'm looking for to be honest lol. Just something that's easier to regulate I suppose and something that if over fed doesn't burn the hell out of my poor girls. From what I here organic grows are smoother smoke with better taste? Is this true??
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Hey Snot'zi,

My thinking is that if she foams nicely its gonna be more viable at least.. Since worm bodies are essentially mini bags of organic fertilizer (nutrients, bacteria, microbes) and protein (building blocks of growth, right)..

Side by sides are always awesome experiments, best of luck transitioning to DIY SS and EWC
 
DonTesla

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greasemonkeymann said:
damn Don, you did a side by side with no nutrients?! only EWC tea?
That's pretty commendable man.
I'd be curious as to how the coot recipe and the supersoil would do against each other.
That would be a cool side by side. I'd do it, but i'd have to buy guano, blood meal (yuck), bone meal (scary) and so on.
on a similar topic, I have a compost pile that I've been making since autumn, and I have sorta "pimped" it out a lil.. amending it completely like you would a soil mix, layering alfalfa meal, kelp meal, leftover guano, oyster flour, rock dusts, neem meal, and the pile is mostly leaves and rotten wood chunks.
it's just now getting to look like just humus, and I am going to do a soil mix just for one plant, and see if the compost retains enough nutrients to grow the plant using water only. (maybe a sst or two)
gonna do that this summer
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You bet GreaseMonk,
But it was a no choice sitch cause we had six 5 gal pails, a forty inch tent, and only 18gal of SS..lol.
Was great experience, tho, and a mainlining run of several unique F1s as well as the birth of our first strain, the potent Gravy Train, no less.. Which will be entering a couple comps this year, woohoo!
Sounds like you're gonna have super compost, tho, are you bringing that indoors or keeping it outside? Thinking you might intro thrips as their natural predators are outdoors.. But it's gonna be great stuff, you obviously gotta use it, and tap into that magic. Humus is a key to our success too.
 
SnotNazi

SnotNazi

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DonTesla said:
Hey Snot'zi,

My thinking is that if she foams nicely its gonna be more viable at least.. Since worm bodies are essentially mini bags of organic fertilizer (nutrients, bacteria, microbes) and protein (building blocks of growth, right)..

Side by sides are always awesome experiments, best of luck transitioning to DIY SS and EWC
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Not sure why you and others are saying "blended worms" lol. It's just an earthworm castings tea that has been manufactured *No worms were harmed in the making of this juice*! http://www.rubiconorganic.com/products.html#

Not sure if what you guys are thinking it is and what it actually is, have the same benefits for the plant.....or would ground up wormies be better??lol
 
green_machine_two9er

green_machine_two9er

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How much does that stuff cost?? I can't really understand how it could be 100% castings being that's it's a liquid?? I think this juice is not a used to often among soil growers. Seems more like hydro organic thing. Best option. Get the real castings. I pay 20$ for a 30lb bag. Not bad cause that could make countless teas. As well as top dress. And globally in your soil.
Most bottles are bs.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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SnotNazi said:
Not sure why you and others are saying "blended worms" lol. It's just an earthworm castings tea that has been manufactured *No worms were harmed in the making of this juice*! http://www.rubiconorganic.com/products.html#

Not sure if what you guys are thinking it is and what it actually is, have the same benefits for the plant.....or would ground up wormies be better??lol
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I was kidding man, I knew what you were talking about, my first post said that, I was just messin with ya.
And yeah, ground up worms would be better than a bottled worm-juice.
in my opinion... but nobody is saying to do that, just messin with ya
If you are even half into that sorta thing, go start a wormbin, and you'll get all the microbes in the world, not to mention a whole lot of other benefits form vermicompost.
Plus it's addicting and sorta fun. Same can be said with a compost pile, but maybe i'm just a organic nerd
Go check out the thread regarding AACTs, that's what you want, and that's what that bottle is trying to sell you on, but it's basicly BS if you understand the actual science behind it, that's all we are saying. I can't possibly imagine a bottle full of aerobic microbes (which is the type the soil benefits mostly from) being kept alive in a sealed bottled anaerobic state.
I will add I am not a microbiologist, just saying if I understand the concept of it all, a bottled version doesn't make sense to me.
I could be very wrong though. Wouldn't be the first. nor the last.
I don't think I am though...
 
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greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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DonTesla said:
You bet GreaseMonk,
But it was a no choice sitch cause we had six 5 gal pails, a forty inch tent, and only 18gal of SS..lol.
Was great experience, tho, and a mainlining run of several unique F1s as well as the birth of our first strain, the potent Gravy Train, no less.. Which will be entering a couple comps this year, woohoo!
Sounds like you're gonna have super compost, tho, are you bringing that indoors or keeping it outside? Thinking you might intro thrips as their natural predators are outdoors.. But it's gonna be great stuff, you obviously gotta use it, and tap into that magic. Humus is a key to our success too.
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oh i'm bringing that indoors, but I will be using it on my outside ones too, but I do mostly indoor, every yr i'll throw out 4-5 plants outside or so, just for the hell of it, but I find when I have too big of an outdoor harvest the trimming KILLS me...makes me wanna punch myself in the face... and i'm too damn picky to let "commercial" trimmers trim my stuff.. but 10 days of trimming after work sucks... ends up being a 8am-5 wrenching on cars, 5-6pm commute home, and 6- 11pm trimming herb... long work day...
BUT...Seems like a sacrilege to let beautiful frosty goodness be trimmed half-assed... So what are ya gonna do?
That compost is some crazy stuff, it has so much life, you scrape away the top layer and you see hundreds of redworms, soil mites, banana slugs, millipedes, plus a bunch more of unidentifiable things
 
DonTesla

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greasemonkeymann said:
oh i'm bringing that indoors, but I will be using it on my outside ones too, but I do mostly indoor, every yr i'll throw out 4-5 plants outside or so, just for the hell of it, but I find when I have too big of an outdoor harvest the trimming KILLS me...makes me wanna punch myself in the face... and i'm too damn picky to let "commercial" trimmers trim my stuff.. but 10 days of trimming after work sucks... ends up being a 8am-5 wrenching on cars, 5-6pm commute home, and 6- 11pm trimming herb... long work day...
BUT...Seems like a sacrilege to let beautiful frosty goodness be trimmed half-assed... So what are ya gonna do?
That compost is some crazy stuff, it has so much life, you scrape away the top layer and you see hundreds of redworms, soil mites, banana slugs, millipedes, plus a bunch more of unidentifiable things
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Oh yea, I believe you about the abundant life, power and diversity.. Sounds like amazing stuff. Personally, i would use it outdoors, even still, so no big deal, Just watch for thrips.. That is all I'm saying.

Outdoor Garden leaves are notorious carriers of them, and they're annoying once indoors:
-they suck a lot of juice to fill their needs and leave a lot of scars on the leaves, not to mention reproduce heavily.

Not too hard to protect your plants with a foliar they hate (sterilizing) but they can survive in soil and corners really well..

Since they thrive towards blue and yellow, I might be tempted to watch for yellowing leaves, but you should have plenty of N and micro life power behind you.. Might be real sheeny and lush green all your amending there
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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DonTesla said:
Oh yea, I believe you about the abundant life, power and diversity.. Sounds like amazing stuff. Personally, i would use it outdoors, even still, so no big deal, Just watch for thrips.. That is all I'm saying.

Outdoor Garden leaves are notorious carriers of them, and they're annoying once indoors:
-they suck a lot of juice to fill their needs and leave a lot of scars on the leaves, not to mention reproduce heavily.

Not too hard to protect your plants with a foliar they hate (sterilizing) but they can survive in soil and corners really well..

Since they thrive towards blue and yellow, I might be tempted to watch for yellowing leaves, but you should have plenty of N and micro life power behind you.. Might be real sheeny and lush green all your amending there
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Good information there, as this is my first compost that i'll be using in my own soil indoors. Hopefully I won't have any problems.
Thanks for the heads up though
 
bigskymtnguy

bigskymtnguy

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SnotNazi said:
So I'm on my second grow and once again I'm having problems with over feeding my girls. I bought some worm juice when I first started this hobby and only ever used it once on a seedling and honestly didn't and most likely wouldn't see any enhancement at that stage. I was browsing through the Organic forums here and not seeing much on worm juice, in fact I don't think I found any pertaining directly to worm juice. I'm left to wonder why? Does anyone have any experience with worm juice? I've read on other forums about using different quantities and the benefits but the information is all over the place and I can't see a solid answer anywhere. Hoping someone can shed some light on this for me.
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Hell no. Why screw around? There are tried and true recipes for organic tea or supersoil mixes. Unless I had unlimited space, time and number of plants I wouldn't do it. Don't waste your time.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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bigskymtnguy said:
Hell no. Why screw around? There are tried and true recipes for organic tea or supersoil mixes. Unless I had unlimited space, time and number of plants I wouldn't do it. Don't waste your time.
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your avatar reminds me of a live tool concert I saw a couple yrs ago...
Love that band..
 
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