Why I'm voting NO on prop. 19

Discussion in 'Legalization Of Marijuana' started by veggiegardener, Sep 3, 2010.

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    SB Garlic

    SB Garlic Active Member

    And when the prices drop to <$30 an eighth for top shelf smoke a lot of people will be buying a lot more than there did before, prop19 is good for business.
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    Sure Shot

    Sure Shot Well-Known Member

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    vertise

    vertise Well-Known Member

    All this so i don't go to jail....for growing marijuana.
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    SB Garlic

    SB Garlic Active Member

    Your mind is stuck on money and greed. This is about changing the way mj is viewed by society and bringing justice to everyone that uses cannabis.
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    vertise

    vertise Well-Known Member

    As for prices i dont know if they will go up or down. I think of cigs being about 11 bucks a pack in nyc and people still buy them. Used to be 4 bucks 15 years ago, meanwhile in most of the country they cost 5 dollars still.
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    SB Garlic

    SB Garlic Active Member

    ppl cant grow their own cigs, and cannabis doesnt have nicotine.
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    nathenking

    nathenking Well-Known Member

    I know that... So do it RIGHT the first time...
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    nathenking

    nathenking Well-Known Member

    Nobody knows... Its just speculation... Just like this whole thread is speculation.... But it sure is fun...
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    Sure Shot

    Sure Shot Well-Known Member

    People can most definitely grow tobacco all over the United States and most of the world.
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    vertise

    vertise Well-Known Member

    Its not that they cannot grow it, they can. Most just don't. Taxes however are huge. Also if you wanted to in places like ny you could just buy your cigs on indian reservations for around 3 bucks a pack. Most dont cause they convenient shoppers. Just as the casual marijuana shopper will be. Why grow it when i can just buy it in a liquor store, despite the overwhelming cost.
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    vertise

    vertise Well-Known Member

    Hell personally I wouldnt mind joining some type of compassion society that allows non medicinal growers the ability to donate medicine to those who need it who do not have enough or do not have the money to grow. I know that its a novelty type idea but I donate clothing and volunteer. I dont see why donating a ounce of weed or more a month to a worthy cause would be ridiculous. With prop 19 such donations could tech take place.
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    SB Garlic

    SB Garlic Active Member

    Nah bro we cant do that, these dispensaries need to sell theyre sourD and Og Kush for $65 an 8th.
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    veggiegardener

    veggiegardener Well-Known Member

    If you want to learn about Co-ops, etc. do a look at

    http://www.weedtracker.com/forums/

    A great MMJ site, supported by dispensaries.

    Take a hard look around. You might learn something.

    Oh!

    Don't mention cultivation! It will get you banned.
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    Needofweed

    Needofweed Active Member

    prop19 advocates say it will produce billions in dollors of tax revenue yearly. this analysis is based on taxing todays market price of "$300" an oz.At the same time prop19 advocates say mj prices will drop to 30 dollors an oz. thats a 90% drop in the propesed tax revenue for the state.This is whats going to take my state out of the hole.This is barly enough to pay the bureacrats associated with prop19.
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    vertise

    vertise Well-Known Member

    um lol i got to say whoever says it will drop to 30 an ounce is dumb. Sorry people who may think that it def will not. Just cause something is legal does not mean that it will decrease in price. whoever is selling it sure as hell will not drop it down in price. it will prob be 300 a zip.
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    veggiegardener

    veggiegardener Well-Known Member

    As long as there are middlemen, prices will be over $300 PLUS TAX. Friends in British Columbia went through the glut phase when Bushco locked up the Canadian border, stranding many tons of BC bud in Canada.

    Prices dropped rapidly, but never below $2K Canadian, from the producer.

    Indoor growers would be working very cheap, below that.

    Say the same applies here.

    Standard 100% markup makes it $4k a pound. Add another 20%(a guess) for taxes = $4800/lb.

    $300/oz.

    It isn't going to get cheaper.

    I tried growing tobacco, once, just to see what was involved. I gave up about half way through. I don't think California is good for tobacco. The plants never really took off.

    Growing pot requires about half the work. Especially the curing process which is lengthy and touchy for the real killer weed.
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    Sure Shot

    Sure Shot Well-Known Member

    I'm growing tobacco right now in California and they are doing great.
    I even have one that's about 6ft. tall in less then a gallon of soil.
    My only regret is that I didn't plant 100 of them.
    They are extremely difficult to germinate and establish but well worth it.
    The smoothness of properly dried and cured tobacco is priceless.
    Nothing like the harsh, chemical ridden, store bought variety.
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    vertise

    vertise Well-Known Member

    did you know that the tobacco plant releases a chemical that interfers with a specific wasps nervous system, which in turn makes those wasp attack catipillars that eat the tobacco plant....Totally off topic just thought it was interesting
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    nathenking

    nathenking Well-Known Member

    That sounds super nice bro... I wish I had some super smooth tobacco to smoke on... The fiance smokes, so I worry about all those chemicals she is smoking... But she wont smoke american spirits.... She is a Marlboro chic....
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    veggiegardener

    veggiegardener Well-Known Member

    I've smoked a total of 25 years in my life. My wife has smoked continuously for over 40 years. She was addicted in the womb, the daughter of farmers who smoked from childhood.

    Although I love smoking, I'd rather never start again. I came from a family of heavy smokers as well.

    I don't want to be gasping for air when I croak.
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