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Why don't more ppl grow auto flowers?

Discussion in 'Indoor Growing' started by edwardvanhalen123456, Aug 28, 2016.

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    Shugglet

    Shugglet Well-Known Member

    Right, Im apparently an asshole for pointing out that his "superior" methods are not superior at all, simply another way of skinning a cat.

    Also, if you notice anytime I bring up valid points on why his method is not in anyway superior, he conveniently ignores it.


    Let us not forget his original bold claim that led to this shitstorm.
     
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    ChemPro

    ChemPro Well-Known Member

    That's a pretty high gram per watt yield man. Are you sure? Over a pound of buds in 3 square feet? I'm trying to picture such a canopy and it'd be nothing but buds without room for air, fan leaves. If so share the method
     
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    ChemPro

    ChemPro Well-Known Member

    Sorry, I saw your correction
     
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    ChemPro

    ChemPro Well-Known Member

    Not a anecdotal fallacy. And seeds are only expensive to people who buy them. I'm being assumptive but I think seed production would be trivial for a commercial grower. I'm sure there are plenty of house secrets and various other methods and technologies that are hoarded. But I've grown autos before. It was my first grow so I can't say it's a valid comparison. I got 6oz from 3 autos under a 400W hps in a 2x4 tent. Maybe I'll give them another try. Regarding this rejection of ruderalis, is this a practical worry or just a traditional view point? If they make a seed that outperforms what I'm growing in yield, potency, flavor, and time then I will buy it.
     
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    Addonexus

    Addonexus Member

    What exactly are you growing? If you don't mind me butting in.
     
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    ChemPro

    ChemPro Well-Known Member

    1st Grow - THC Bomb Auto flowers
    2nd Grow - White Widow Auto flowers
    3rd Grow - Barney's Farm Critical Kush
    4th Grow - Dr Krippling
    5th Grow - Paradise Delahaze
    6th grow - True Berry (Elemental seeds)
    7th Grow - Fifth Element (Elemental seeds)
    8th Grow - Blue Dream (Humboldt seeds)
    9th Grow - Strawberry OG (Cali Connection)
    10th Grow - Sour Diesel # 2 (Humboldt seeds)
    11th Grow - 707 truth brand...truth band?
    12th Grow - Barney's Farm Pineapple Chunk
    13th Grow - Afghani Regular (free seeds)
    14th Grow - Original White Widow

    Lots of little experiments in between

    Worst grow was afghani - its a trooper, takes a beating well, but during harvest the buds were smaller than what I'm used to. Which is misleading because the veg growth is crazy. Considering I treid Afghani later in my grow experience I concluded its not for me. Those free seeds go to the trash.

    Pineapple chunk got really good feedback from everyone I shared with. Probably the best feedback.

    I can't comment on yield comparisons because my methods have changed and there are too many variables but the white widow auto flowers knocked my dick in the dirt. They were pretty potent and they were everyone's favorite next to pineapple chunk. And that was my 2nd grow when I was being a fuck up and not exchanging my 5 gallon DWC buckets and just topping off nutes from start to finish, wet trimming, and drying at 30% humidity for 3 days. Nevertheless everyone loved the white widow auto. Not a fan of auto flower yields though. Sorry if there is disagreement but I have not seen it. But I totally agree that if you cram a lot of those autos together I am sure the added yield of a SOG would overcome any reduced yield of an autoflower. But seeds are expensive. I think a lot of noobs (myself included) start out with auto flowers as our first grow because we hear that they are a good place to start. We suck as growers at first and then attribute the result to the autos. Maybe thats a false correlation. I'm going to grow them again and do it right for a valid, variable free, side by side comparison. I'm going to take an ounce of the auto and an ounce of the regular and make shatter so I can compare shatter yields to get a fairly decent potency comparison.
     
    Last edited: Aug 31, 2016
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    Shugglet

    Shugglet Well-Known Member

    The only actual data he has is in regards to the final weight, he made significant claims beyond simply weight that he has no way of backing up other than anecdotal evidence. Thats an anecdotal fallacy is it not? But to be fair, it is very rare when people incorporate any sort of actual science in their experiments they run involving growing.
     
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    ChemPro

    ChemPro Well-Known Member

    I only commented on the dialogue you quoted and didn't find an anecdotal fallacy. I understand you were referring to past comments now.. But yes your definition of anecdotal fallacy is correct. I also agree with you about the poor science. People get a result based upon a sample size of one or two and attempt to pass it off as conventional wisdom. That's not science
     
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    Shugglet

    Shugglet Well-Known Member

    My favorite is the classic "my next run Ill try "xxx" and see if it makes a difference". As though that is a proper way of testing something.
     
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    ChemPro

    ChemPro Well-Known Member

    Of course it's a good way of honing in on a comparison. That is if you're running clones from the same mother, same light, same temperature, same humidity, and same everything lol. You can't exactly grow White Widow in a flood drain system in January and then some sour diesel in a DWC in July and conclude one method is better than the other.
     
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    Shugglet

    Shugglet Well-Known Member

    Hell, IMO you need to be running them out of the same rez and under the same light at the same time. Isolating variables is the whole name of the game.
     
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    Lyndon Smith

    Lyndon Smith New Member



    No offense buddy but it does effect yield and stunts plant growth first hand I can say if you get quality auto seeds you get quality auto plants here’s mine
     

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    bottletoke

    bottletoke Well-Known Member

    those are "quality" plants? if I grew that I'd be broke. an auto will never be able to produce what a photoperiod plant can produce, nor will the quality compare to a pure photoperiod. adding ruderalis to a great strain is like adding cut to high grade coke, your just weakening the strain. if u think otherwise your in denial.
     
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    Jaybodankly

    Jaybodankly Well-Known Member

    Well I plowed thru that negative thread. Can someone recommend me an autoflower that has it all. Mephisito seems to be the answer. How about a great strain? they have quite a few. Dont think I can handle another search thru a autoflower vs photoperiod thread.
     
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    thetr33man

    thetr33man Well-Known Member

    Just missed the back friday sale, all strains are good, best autos available for the last several years.
     
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    whitebb2727

    whitebb2727 Well-Known Member

    Nah. Autos have hit the 20% range on thc.

    Sure photoperiods can yield more with a longer veg.

    I've seen a couple of growers here grow autos for profit. One guy in particular is really good at it.

    I've seen and grown some bad autos. Autos have come a long way. Bigger and more potent than they used to be. The right breeders have bred the auto trait in with out much loss in potency.

    I will say that I grow both and both have pros and cons. The biggest is with a photoperiod if you find a fire plant you can keep it by cloning. With autos you get what you get.

    I've had some autos that were 2-3 hit stuff.
    Anything mephisto. Dinafem autos. Try the amnesia or blue amnesia xxl autos.
     
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    full of purple

    full of purple Well-Known Member

    You can't clone autos
     
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    thetr33man

    thetr33man Well-Known Member

    Actually you can, you just cant veg the clones to create larger plants, so its usually pointless... Ive seen it done to reverse and create fem only pollen without having to spray an entire plant.
     
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    full of purple

    full of purple Well-Known Member

    You know what I meant
    I'm not here to be technical
    Let's see you mother an auto!
     
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    KryptoBud

    KryptoBud Well-Known Member

    I miss edward.
     
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