Why do my buds smell like hay?

So what your saying is your guna take all that bad stuff out of a plant in two weeks time by flushing or running phd water through it .....a plant IMO is a lil more complex than that .....the way it's sounding you believe the plant is just sucking up all these things and storing them inside itself and by running plain water through them your just guna rinse all the badness out of em ...lol...even that has to sound slightly rediculous to you ....How about just growing the plant correctly in the first place and not having to fix problems in the end .....I personally just give water at the very end and don't mind a lil fade before harvest myself ......but to be honest a lot of the things people try to fix with flushing can be avoided by learning to grow correctly in the first place ....and my idea of flushing is running 3 times the water through the pot relative to it's size ...that's flushing


I think people who feel the need to flush should put more effort into there grow techniques and there dry cure methods ......that said ,,,to each there own and if someone feels the need to flush because there weed taste like shit and there ash is a black ball of death ....then go for it ,because at least they realize there fucking up royally somewhere ......GL with your science project ...

Oh and I noticed you said his or her grows above .........I've yet to meet a girl grower until being on here ......so that said you know the rule ,,,or at least you should

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Indacouch said:

So what your saying is your guna take all that bad stuff out of a plant in two weeks time by flushing or running phd water through it .....a plant IMO is a lil more complex than that .....the way it's sounding you believe the plant is just sucking up all these things and storing them inside itself and by running plain water through them your just guna rinse all the badness out of em ...lol...even that has to sound slightly rediculous to you ....How about just growing the plant correctly in the first place and not having to fix problems in the end .....I personally just give water at the very end and don't mind a lil fade before harvest myself ......but to be honest a lot of the things people try to fix with flushing can be avoided by learning to grow correctly in the first place ....and my idea of flushing is running 3 times the water through the pot relative to it's size ...that's flushing


I think people who feel the need to flush should put more effort into there grow techniques and there dry cure methods ......that said ,,,to each there own and if someone feels the need to flush because there weed taste like shit and there ash is a black ball of death ....then go for it ,because at least they realize there fucking up royally somewhere ......GL with your science project ...

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No, you're absolutely correct what you're saying is ridiculous plants are more complex then than but not really. You're not gonna remove absolutely everything, No that would be realistically impossible but you'd be removing as much as you could in that time as opposed to if you continued feeding right up until you harvest right?
So yeah 2-3 weeks is enough time to remove some the excess nutrients from the medium as well as the plant itself because where else is it supposed to find these nutrients for that prolong period of time besides whats already reserved within the plants cells.
And like you just said you give plain water prior to harvest which is exactly my point we are just agreeing to disagree on what the proper terminology is.
I agree tho i dont flush ever during my veg or flower period unless Iv roasted my plants with nutes which is yet to happen luckily.
You're absolutely correct again tho if you are able to properly taper off the nutrient solution towards the end of harvest lowering the amount of nutrients within your plant or if you use supersoil that has no added chemical fertz or nutes no cleansing (lets use cleanse then because that seems more like what im trying to do to my plant) is needed,



&&& also do you realize what you just asked me to do... Take a photo of my friend thumbsupping next to her set up..... and what post it?

NuggODank said:

No, you're absolutely correct what you're saying is ridiculous plants are more complex then than but not really. You're not gonna remove absolutely everything, No that would be realistically impossible but you'd be removing as much as you could in that time as opposed to if you continued feeding right up until you harvest right?
So yeah 2-3 weeks is enough time to remove some the excess nutrients from the medium as well as the plant itself because where else is it supposed to find these nutrients for that prolong period of time besides whats already reserved within the plants cells.
And like you just said you give plain water prior to harvest which is exactly my point we are just agreeing to disagree on what the proper terminology is.
I agree tho i dont flush ever during my veg or flower period unless Iv roasted my plants with nutes which is yet to happen luckily.
You're absolutely correct again tho if you are able to properly taper off the nutrient solution towards the end of harvest lowering the amount of nutrients within your plant or if you use supersoil that has no added chemical fertz or nutes no cleansing (lets use cleanse then because that seems more like what im trying to do to my plant) is needed,



&&& also do you realize what you just asked me to do... Take a photo of my friend thumbsupping next to her set up..... and what post it?

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Yes your friend thumbs upping would be perfect TY ...

ktmac20 said:

Methinks that at times other people over think the process!

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Hence the old saying, "Less is more".

There are generally two types of people when it comes to gardening: Those who let the plant do the work and those who baby their plants to absolute death.

Parents are very similar in that regard: you see the mother that lets her kid run lose and play on the monkey bars and the mother that's constantly holding their child's hand and wont even risk letting him go down the slide.

Plants were here long before we were. They'll be here long after we're gone. They're a hell of a lot tougher and more self sufficient than people think.

The whole "flushing" debacle (and I use that word very kindly in this context) has absolutely nothing to do with soil grows and never did. It was a process first used in and specifically for hydroponics. It also didn't have anything to do with "getting better taste".

The reason flushing was used is down to another simple fact: water, when pure and untreated and left in a closed circle, will go bad. It will also do so very quickly under the right circumstances.

Plants grown in a hydroponic environment are a lot more susceptible to the growers influence as a whole. When hydro growers see their plants begin to struggle just a bit, they would flush the entire system out. That means they just got rid of all the water in the system, rinsed it out with fresh water, let that circulate and clean up everything, then rinse that out and they're right back in business.

But that was it. That's all there ever was to it.

Then of course somebody that wanted to make a much bigger deal out of growing a gardenia in a hanging basket read an article on it and applied it to a 1.5 gallon soil pot and then swore to God the Almighty that her plant just jumped up, ran across the floor into the kitchen and began cooking her a 4 star breakfast.

There are those who swear a similar effect when it comes to taste with marijuana. Well, here's a simple fact:

They're lying.

But it's not their fault. It's human nature. If THEY did it, it surely MUST make a difference. It's like the guy that swears before God that Honda is the best motorcycle or Gibson is the best guitar. They say so only because that's the one they have.

A few years ago some friends of mine got together and actually put the whole "flush" thing to bed once and for all. We all grew one plant. 3 of us flushed before harvesting, the other 3 didn't. We then handed our grows over to an independent party for testing.

We ran 5 panels of test with us growers as the group that covered 2 weeks. The results were handled by the independent (and also a non-smoker soas to remove any prejudice in the matter.) Here's how it broke down:

• Test 1 - everybody gets non-flushed.
• Test 2 - everybody got flushed.
• Test 3 - only one person got flushed.
• Test 4 - only one person got non-flushed.
• Test 5 - half got flushed, the other half non-flushed.

Under a gentleman's agreement of pure honesty and integrity, the results were predictable: In absolutely NO CASE could any of us identify which was or wasn't flushed. Not one of us.

The most hysterical part was the first two tests. In both, I said simply I couldn't tell any difference. Two people (HUGE advocates of flushing and the real reason behind running the test) actually got it completely wrong by swearing the first test had flushed weed and the second contained non flushed.

It was very clear at that point that they were making it up.

In the end, nobody correctly identified one from the other.

So you can listen to all the bullshit if you want and put yourself through more bullshit in your grow, but in the end it's not going to make one bit of difference.

I boil it's the shit. Fades plant in about a week max. I've been taking down branches each day after the boil and truth be told the branches that get the whole "fade 4-7 days" taste much better. Like they been curing for a week already. Pretty amazing results actually. Or heck, maybe it's just snake oil lol

Roger A. Shrubber said:

you're drying too fast. period. 30% rh is too low to dry at, it should take at least 5 days to get dry enough to jar, 7 is probably better.
its going into the jars too dry and the cure is already screwed, no matter how long you leave it in the jars. it has to be over 62% to cure, once it drops below the process is over.

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62% RH? That sounds a bit high to me ... I feel like that's a cause for mold growth at that humidity

andlund0930 said:

I boil it's the shit. Fades plant in about a week max. I've been taking down branches each day after the boil and truth be told the branches that get the whole "fade 4-7 days" taste much better. Like they been curing for a week already. Pretty amazing results actually. Or heck, maybe it's just snake oil lol

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This is the bud I used to "test" the cure method and after 2 days in complete darkness the stems snap nicely and have a great smell but are sticky as hell its not really moisture or is it ? The plants still have a week or so before harvest. **this is not my fully harvest crop** but I did separate from main stem and let them dry out on a screen over an empty bucket with a small air circulator

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62% RH? That sounds a bit high to me ... I feel like that's a cause for mold growth at that humidity

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Your misunderstanding. He's talking about the plant, not the atmosphere.

He's saying that the plants are getting too dried out in a 30% RH environment to the point that the plant itself has no moisture at all left in it for the curing process to even work.

He's saying the plant itself must still have 60% RH within it to be even capable of starting the curing process at all. If it's already completely dried out to a desert level 30%, then there's nothing left in the buds to breath at all. They'll actually absorb what little bit of moisture is in the jar itself and never actually cure by releasing / absorbing.

It's like trying to make tea with a teabag that's been used 1000 times: there comes a point where there's just no tea value left.

That's why his (OP's) curing cycle never really worked to begin with.

So what's the best RH for curing then?

drtricomb said:

So what's the best RH for curing then?

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It's relative. (Pun intended)

There is no SET humidity level that is best. It's the timing that's everything. In my case I dry the plant in the same exact room it was grown in at 45% RH. It's dried enough to go into the jars in 3 or 4 days on average. If the humidity creeps up on me a bit, say to 50%, it might take another day.

If I were going at it from, say, 50% to 55% RH from the get go, it might take a week to 8 days before it was dry enough to jar it.

What you don't EVER want to do is go to extremes. 30% is right out. Might as well just throw the shit in a toaster oven and call it a day. 65% and up is right out as well as it will in all likelihood start to mold within a couple days tops if it wasn't molded already, long before it ever dries enough to jar and start the curing proper.

Again, it's all about time and patience, working with what you have. People act like if they don't get their weed in 4 weeks from seed then it's not worth doing. Their insane, and will in the end always be disappointed.

TacoMac said:

It's relative. (Pun intended)

There is no SET humidity level that is best. It's the timing that's everything. In my case I dry the plant in the same exact room it was grown in at 45% RH. It's dried enough to go into the jars in 3 or 4 days on average. If the humidity creeps up on me a bit, say to 50%, it might take another day.

If I were going at it from, say, 50% to 55% RH from the get go, it might take a week to 8 days before it was dry enough to jar it.

What you don't EVER want to do is go to extremes. 30% is right out. Might as well just throw the shit in a toaster oven and call it a day. 65% and up is right out as well as it will in all likelihood start to mold within a couple days tops if it wasn't molded already, long before it ever dries enough to jar and start the curing proper.

Again, it's all about time and patience, working with what you have. People act like if they don't get their weed in 4 weeks from seed then it's not worth doing. Their insane, and will in the end always be disappointed.

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THANK YOU!! That's what I needed to know the RH for drying not curing that's my fault

chemphlegm said:

dont panic Grow organic!

nature doesnt flush now does it? natural resources are gradually diminishing as natures season concludes. fruits receive less light, less food, more water and voila!!!

thank shiva for " The Cure", a bottled nutrient users must have habit. lol

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Nature flushes it's called rain

yep, sometimes on newly rooted seedlings too, not suggested lol

my berries are finished in a very dry season for example, some fruits ripen before others, rain doesnt know when to come just in time to attempt to rinse away salt fertilizers. Many fruits and veggies finish during varying seasonal changes, some in the wet some in the dry too.

ALL bottled/packaged nutrients direct user to diminish nutrient supply as plant is finishing. While water is continually used to feed, and with less and less nutrients, some call this their flush, as it ends in plain water feeding often.
dont panic, grow organic

MerionMatt said:

Nature flushes it's called rain

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Incorrect. It's the rain that picks up nutrients as it falls through the atmosphere that helps fertilize the plants to begin with.

TacoMac said:

Incorrect. It's the rain that picks up nutrients as it falls through the atmosphere that helps fertilize the plants to begin with.

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Why does my rainwater measure 0 ppm?

TacoMac said:

Incorrect. It's the rain that picks up nutrients as it falls through the atmosphere that helps fertilize the plants to begin with.

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Uhhh

Bugeye said:

Why does my rainwater measure 0 ppm?

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Because it's only calibrated to scan a certain level. Just because your 200 dollar tester doesn't show it doesn't mean it isn't there. Rain water can have all sorts of nutrients and chemicals in it depending on where you live.

You have heard of acid rain, haven't you? How do you think that ruins your cars paint job? The rain picked up the chemicals on the way down.

TacoMac said:

Because it's only calibrated to scan a certain level. Just because your 200 dollar tester doesn't show it doesn't mean it isn't there. Rain water can have all sorts of nutrients and chemicals in it depending on where you live.

You have heard of acid rain, haven't you? How do you think that ruins your cars paint job? The rain picked up the chemicals on the way down.

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I don't dispute your claim that rain picks up some nitrogen, and other things, on the way down. Just curious what the actual levels are. Presumably very tiny. When I test rainwater in my rain gauge, I usually get very close to 0 if not 0. When I test from my rain collection, I may be a few points higher, presumably from shit on my roofs or in my gutters.

I found flushing with acid rain is the dogs balls, makes great weed, even more trippy and gets it so close to that synthetic weed from the local dealers lol.