Why do Bernie Babies deny helping Trump get elected?

Fogdog

Fogdog

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schuylaar said:
Senate Republicans Embrace Plan for $1.5 Trillion Tax Cut
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/19/us/politics/senate-republicans-tax-cut.html?mcubz=0

Tax Cuts for the Rich by Another Name
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/opinion/tax-cuts-for-the-rich-by-another-name.html?mcubz=0
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Republicans lie to people when they say tax cuts for the rich will be paid by increasing economic economic growth and greater tax revenue from new jobs. Nobody really believes that but that's how they say the cuts will be paid for.

Is that the argument you want to have regarding health care? Just lie to people? Healthcare represents 1/4 of the US economy and is vital to just about everybody. And you say just lie about how it will increase the debt?

Dumb, really, really dumb.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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st0wandgrow said:
I suppose it depends on your perspective. I view access to health care as a basic human right. I don't view post secondary education as a basic human right. Health care impacts your ability to survive. Education impacts your quality of life. Both important, but there's a distinction to be made.

I agree that a better educated work force is good for the whole. No argument there
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A fair distinction.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
Republicans lie to people when they say tax cuts for the rich will be paid by increasing economic economic growth and greater tax revenue from new jobs. Nobody really believes that but that's how they say the cuts will be paid for.

Is that the argument you want to have regarding health care? Just lie to people? Healthcare represents 1/4 of the US economy and is vital to just about everybody. And you say just lie about how it will increase the debt?

Dumb, really, really dumb.
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Enough people believe it to keep electing them.

I think universal health care can be afforded by raising taxes on corporations and the wealthy.

It's worked before, it works in nearly every other developed nation and I think it will work just fine here too.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
Enough people believe it to keep electing them.

I think universal health care can be afforded by raising taxes on corporations and the wealthy.

It's worked before, it works in nearly every other developed nation and I think it will work just fine here too.
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Soaking the rich to pay for expanding health care to everybody would be a really good way to go. I agree. The bill Sanders released to your accolade doesn't say that. Doesn't say anything about how to pay for it.

I don't like being lied to. Sandernistas on the other hand,

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ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
Soaking the rich to pay for expanding health care to everybody would be a really good way to go. I agree. The bill Sanders released to your accolade doesn't say that. Doesn't say anything about how to pay for it.

I don't like being lied to. Sandernistas on the other hand,

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The rich are soaking us now, that's better?

You can lie all you want, just don't expect me to believe you.
 
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schuylaar

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st0wandgrow said:
I suppose it depends on your perspective. I view access to health care as a basic human right. I don't view post secondary education as a basic human right. Health care impacts your ability to survive. Education impacts your quality of life. Both important, but there's a distinction to be made.

I agree that a better educated work force is good for the whole. No argument there
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health doesn't impact your quality of life?
 
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schuylaar

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SneekyNinja said:
We've already established that actual votes count more than your desperately clung to opinion polls...Sanders lost to Clinton, Trump also lost to Clinton by number of votes, old news.

Try keep up.

It's nice that you think the EC giving us Trump over Clinton is something to celebrate, I guess you won't get free shit but at least the "coloreds" are gonna suffer, so still a win for you I suppose.
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she lost to trump by same number..talk about stomping on the pain and rubbing it in.

thank you, karma!:clap:
 
see4

see4

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schuylaar said:
88% of Sanders supporters voted Clinton.

76% of Clinton supporters voted Obama.

Clinton also received 3,000,000 more votes than Trump and lost the nomination..once again karma has a sense of humor..can you figure out why?:wink:
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If the answer involves gerrymandering, I will agree. If not, keep trying.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
What's important are opinion polls.
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You get your information and process it. Polls are just another source of information. They are actually pretty good at telling us what the overall public opinion is at that time. I think its good to use both but you just want to use your own viewpoint.

Polls in the past, which I'm sure are all you remember did have some problems with accuracy. Also, some polls are slanted specifically for purposes of propaganda but that's easy to tell by looking up the source.

So you go ahead and live in the past. Put your blinders up and make decisions by "using your gut". That's fine. It's not very smart but its fine.
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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st0wandgrow said:
Yeah, I'm not totally sold on the whole free public college thing either. I'd like to see something done for kids that earn good grades and otherwise can't afford to go to college, but a blank check for every kid in America is bit much imo.

Universal health care on the other hand is a no brainer. There is no good argument against it. I'm pretty sure I don't have to spell out for you how it would be funded though...
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Some fucking leftist you are...

Why are Bernouts all fake leftists?
 
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schuylaar

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see4 said:
If the answer involves gerrymandering, I will agree. If not, keep trying.
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the answer is:

Clinton beat Sanders by 3M, cheating; she beat Trump too by 3M but lost. for all practical purposes, the same 3M..her deal with the devil backfired; she forgot to cover one thing with that 3M and karma reminded her for stealing.

Clinton is now coming to a Costco milk aisle near you.
 
Justin-case

Justin-case

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schuylaar said:
the answer is:

Clinton beat Sanders by 3M, cheating; she beat Trump too by 3M but lost. for all practical purposes, the same 3M..her deal with the devil backfired; she forgot to cover one thing with that 3M and karma reminded her for stealing.

Clinton is now coming to a Costco milk aisle near you.
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Bl0wavote says you you shouldn't cry about rigged elections, because our government has interfered in elections in the past. Got it little girl?
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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schuylaar said:
health doesn't impact your quality of life?
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Sure. My point is that one is more important than the other. One could literally save your life, and the other could merely improve your quality of life.

Would you rather live with stage 4 cancer or a grade 12 education?
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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schuylaar said:
the answer is:

Clinton beat Sanders by 3M, cheating; she beat Trump too by 3M but lost. for all practical purposes, the same 3M..her deal with the devil backfired; she forgot to cover one thing with that 3M and karma reminded her for stealing.

Clinton is now coming to a Costco milk aisle near you.
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Stealing?

Seriously we've been around and around on this like a carousel...

Some members of the DNC expressed a preference for Secretary Clinton in emails and after all that nothing ever even came of it...

The more likely reason Sanders lost was because SOME PEOPLE were too fucking stupid to register as Democrats and vote for him.

Occams razor would imply the latter...
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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SneekyNinja said:
Some members of the DNC expressed a preference for Secretary Clinton in emails and after all that nothing ever even came of it...
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If nothing ever came of it, why was everyone involved fired or resigned in shame, and apologized for tipping the scale for Clinton, later?

You can't really say they didn't do anything wrong and nothing came of it since they would all still be at the DNC and nobody would have had to make a public apology for anything
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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Padawanbater2 said:
If nothing ever came of it, why was everyone involved fired or resigned in shame, and apologized for tipping the scale for Clinton, later?

You can't really say they didn't do anything wrong and nothing came of it since they would all still be at the DNC and nobody would have had to make a public apology for anything
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They resigned to avoid you idiots trying to make a drawn out scandal of it...

Sanders was smashed by the voters, not the DNC.

12.1% in a two person race = SMASHED
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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SneekyNinja said:
They resigned to avoid you idiots trying to make a drawn out scandal of it...

Sanders was smashed by the voters, not the DNC.

12.1% in a two person race = SMASHED
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How do you know that? Has Brazille, DWS, or Clinton said that?

Not when you consider the context of the race. A virtually unknown politician from Vermont against the former first lady, former senator, and former SoS who everyone in America has known of for two-three decades. Clinton smashed O'Malley, Chaffee, and Webb.
 
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