WHO'S HAVING SUCCESS WITH MONSTER CROPPING?

jacksthc

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Never put a plant in flower for 2 weeks and EMC it, alway done it from clones, just let me know when you want to try taking cutting and I will do my best to help, your plant looks great and full of buds.

Starting a conversation about EMC and getting the word out there sounds great but so many growers that know best, it would be diffecult for new growers to understand and follow my instructions.

Have you seen how much trouble, a lot of new growers have with topping a plant, some grower asked the other day if they topped a plant right and I said, too early and loads of growers jump on and said it was done right, not one of them had any ideal what i was talking about lol.

I have been growing for about 10 years doing perpetual grows in soil ( about 50 crops) and flowering under 600w hps or mh
and spent all that time understanding how plants grow and how trainning a plant will affect the way it grows.

your plant looks great and filling up with bud sites, but your right as the plant hormones start to tell the plant to flower and you re veg the plant so it messes the plant for a few days while the plant starts to re veg ( takes couple of weeks)

It messes the plant up so the plant doen't have apical dominance shoots and by topping the plant it takes a little longer for the plant to work it out.
so all the shoots grow about the same speed, all over the plant so you end up with a very bushy plant :)

monster cropping completes the change from veg to flower and back to veg, this stress the plant out a lot more and grows loads of single fan leaves, takes couple of weeks for the plant to start veging again and grows loads of shoots out of every bud site as the hormones are so messed up, the shoots grow thin and long at first, cople weeks later they should start growing normal leaves again, depending on how much stress the plant can handle, .
 

vitamin_green_inc

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EMC is what I did recently. It's a tester, Bb3 x Polar Bear OG. It looks crazy like y'all's. i had her in a 1 gallon Hempy, then after she showed sex I put her back under 24/0 lighting and uppotted her to a 3 gal Hempy...she just sat for awhile but she is HUGE now, and I love the thick stems. I will get a picture later. I am also revveging a keeper pheno, but it's way more scary to worry about her coming back from reveg than it is from flowering...P.S, they call it "forced flowering" for a reason, and that's also why many don't count until sex shown
 

Labs Dexter

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EMC is what I did recently. It's a tester, Bb3 x Polar Bear OG. It looks crazy like y'all's. i had her in a 1 gallon Hempy, then after she showed sex I put her back under 24/0 lighting and uppotted her to a 3 gal Hempy...she just sat for awhile but she is HUGE now, and I love the thick stems. I will get a picture later. I am also revveging a keeper pheno, but it's way more scary to worry about her coming back from reveg than it is from flowering...P.S, they call it "forced flowering" for a reason, and that's also why many don't count until sex shown
Lool we are talking about keeping it there even after sex shows let the main stem get its first true flower matey, The white fluff bulb then re vegg that lady lool and what u have is a crazy afro with bigger root mass and that my friend = lots of buds no clones involved... We definitely gotta start this one off peeps teach RUI a new thing or maybe even an old thing eh.
 

Labs Dexter

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Never put a plant in flower for 2 weeks and EMC it, alway done it from clones, just let me know when you want to try taking cutting and I will do my best to help, your plant looks great and full of buds.
Starting a conversation about EMC and getting the word out there sounds great but so many growers that know best, it would be diffecult for new growers to understand and follow my instructions.

Have you seen how much trouble, a lot of new growers have with topping a plant, some grower asked the other day if they topped a plant right and I said, too early and loads of growers jump on and said it was done right, not one of them had any ideal what i was talking about lol.

I have been growing for about 10 years doing perpetual grows in soil ( about 50 crops) and flowering under 600w hps or mh
and spent all that time understanding how plants grow and how trainning a plant will affect the way it grows.

your plant looks great and filling up with bud sites, but your right as the plant hormones start to tell the plant to flower and you re veg the plant so it messes the plant for a few days while the plant starts to re veg ( takes couple of weeks)

It messes the plant up so the plant doen't have apical dominance shoots and by topping the plant it takes a little longer for the plant to work it out.
so all the shoots grow about the same speed, all over the plant so you end up with a very bushy plant :)

monster cropping completes the change from veg to flower and back to veg, this stress the plant out a lot more and grows loads of single fan leaves, takes couple of weeks for the plant to start veging again and grows loads of shoots out of every bud site as the hormones are so messed up, the shoots grow thin and long at first, cople weeks later they should start growing normal leaves again, depending on how much stress the plant can handle, .
True mate, I'm not a pro this is my fourth grow I think but did allot of gardening in my life time, maybe it does give stress allot but what I'm trying to point out is its worth the trouble, it could be a revolutionary thing for noob like me that can't clone I tried all soil, rockwool n bloody sponge thing. The deep cheese and church that I had successful cloning with I think it was beginners luck. And as for people try to contradict without reading properly them you are allways gonna find in RUI or any other place there is allways some who can lick it better lol some mothers do have em. I wanna do it purely on educational part not arguing and I am open to opinions because they way I see it we are all students with different skills and we have to share to get knowledge matey. Jacks and MamothGrow you guys are skilled and know allot about plants how about we teach these guys and just accepted the ignorant others because you allways have em in a classroom.
 

Labs Dexter

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Yeah? That's what I said, force flower till it shows sex then throw it back in veg? I said reveg like normal is way slower
Okay it might be a case of tomatoes and tometoes lol. DSC_0073.JPG did your flower look like this on the main stem( this is a true flower, showing sex is when you have bud sights but no true flower)
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If it's just the second picture and no buds or true flower like the first picture then we are having a miss understanding..... I got rid of the side shoots so it was just the main stem induced it into flower for four weeks until the flower popped out like picture 1, re vegg for a month then flower again the whole thing, the only stress wa late to start flowering the second time. Hope I helped
 

jacksthc

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force flower is where you take a cutting or put plant plant in flower just long enough to tell the sex

EMC is where you take a cutting or re veg a plant that has just started to form bud sites in true flower (10 -14 white hairs )
then you top the plant in early veg.

good example of my EMC plant in mid veg
EMC.jpg

monster crop is where you let a plant flower (true flower) and remove a shoot with a bud site and re veg it
 

Labs Dexter

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force flower is where you take a cutting or put plant plant in flower just long enough to tell the sex

EMC is where you take a cutting or re veg a plant that has just started to form bud sites in true flower (10 -14 white hairs )
then you top the plant in early veg.

good example of my EMC plant in mid veg
View attachment 3509713

monster crop is where you let a plant flower (true flower) and remove a shoot with a bud site and re veg it
On indoor growing threads you jack and I would like MammothGrow to join please get the idea out there for a try. I am doing it again for another try with the afghani.... What do you guys say eyy you guys are the brains and have grown for meny years
 

vitamin_green_inc

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force flower is where you take a cutting or put plant plant in flower just long enough to tell the sex

EMC is where you take a cutting or re veg a plant that has just started to form bud sites in true flower (10 -14 white hairs )
then you top the plant in early veg.

good example of my EMC plant in mid veg
View attachment 3509713

monster crop is where you let a plant flower (true flower) and remove a shoot with a bud site and re veg it
No, force flower is flowering under 12/12 before alternating nodes appear indicating that the plant is mature enough to flower. I pretty much only do that, because I run testers in 2 liter Hempys and 2-3 weeks from seed is not near enough time to mature.... and I have Monstercropped, and I have done early MC like y'all say. The end results are the same, super bushy, tiny node spacing, just like reveg. it does take a little less time, but here's the thing...you have no clue if it's a keeper, yet you are going to dedicate enough space for 1 plant to have a monster sized plant? With a reveg or regular monster cropping, I will be able to smoke the bud and see if I want to keep the damn thing before I decide to dedicate 4-5 sq foot to itself.

If it's from clone, just train the bitch better, and you won't need to worry about doing this...I would be very careful also unless you know the breeder has worked the line to f3 or greater, real easy for herms to pop up
 

Labs Dexter

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No, force flower is flowering under 12/12 before alternating nodes appear indicating that the plant is mature enough to flower. I pretty much only do that, because I run testers in 2 liter Hempys and 2-3 weeks from seed is not near enough time to mature.... and I have Monstercropped, and I have done early MC like y'all say. The end results are the same, super bushy, tiny node spacing, just like reveg. it does take a little less time, but here's the thing...you have no clue if it's a keeper, yet you are going to dedicate enough space for 1 plant to have a monster sized plant? With a reveg or regular monster cropping, I will be able to smoke the bud and see if I want to keep the damn thing before I decide to dedicate 4-5 sq foot to itself.

If it's from clone, just train the bitch better, and you won't need to worry about doing this...I would be very careful also unless you know the breeder has worked the line to f3 or greater, real easy for herms to pop up
It matures in the process and I grow personal medical ganja for me I don't fill up my full grow room. I have two plants in a 600 hps red flowering wich is 80cm square 160 tall not sure bout the sq meter stuff I was too stoned at school lol. Ihave the time and spare + freebies to play with like, I said I'm doing this as something new and for being horrible at cloning apart from me first ever try at it in soil lol out of all never happened again with anything . This technique worked the first time for me and from my understanding it worked for jacks. I'm starting again after two weeks vegg because of the time it takes for the process and I did mention maybe worth a try with a different strain because afghan is one hella bushy lass.
 

jacksthc

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I had some major heat issues, fan broke...had two girls in there at week 3 and they had just started making the fluffy bud like y'all say. Going to throw it back in veg. Should I top those top two nodes?
sorry you have heat problems but it great your giving this a go :)
yer I would top the two nodes
 

vitamin_green_inc

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It matures in the process and I grow personal medical ganja for me I don't fill up my full grow room. I have two plants in a 600 hps red flowering wich is 80cm square 160 tall not sure bout the sq meter stuff I was too stoned at school lol. Ihave the time and spare + freebies to play with like, I said I'm doing this as something new and for being horrible at cloning apart from me first ever try at it in soil lol out of all never happened again with anything . This technique worked the first time for me and from my understanding it worked for jacks. I'm starting again after two weeks vegg because of the time it takes for the process and I did mention maybe worth a try with a different strain because afghan is one hella bushy lass.
Try doing a cup of water under a cfl bulb plugged into the wall lol. It will take 14-20~ days to grow roots but it is a old school way
 

Labs Dexter

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Try doing a cup of water under a cfl bulb plugged into the wall lol. It will take 14-20~ days to grow roots but it is a old school way
Lol about the cup of water I did that and left it in the flowering room it grew for two weeks very slow but no root I found out because my glass was see through lmao. I stick to seeds they don't fail me as much I'm still a student
 

MammothGrow

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On indoor growing threads you jack and I would like MammothGrow to join please get the idea out there for a try. I am doing it again for another try with the afghani.... What do you guys say eyy you guys are the brains and have grown for meny years
My girls will be on day 20 of Flower when the lights come on tonight. I've been so busy haven't had time to go get cloning supplies. I'm working till after the store would be closed tonight, so tomorrow ill go get some cloning stuff and on monday ill take some cuts off a few of each strain. Be interesting to see how they do being taken at the beginning of week 4 of flower :)
 

Labs Dexter

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Jacks or mammoth one of you two said count the flowering days from when the preflower shows.... I think, anyway I am going to follow that rule because it's week 7 next week and afghani looks like week 3 or 4 so another four weeks or less and maybe.... Maybe she will be ready lool but yeah it's easier counting that way because less worries and stress because you are counting right
 
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