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Whorled phyllotaxy: stash or trash?

Discussion in 'Breeders Paradise' started by RetiredGuerilla, Dec 9, 2016.


    RetiredGuerilla Well-Known Member

    Have heard differing opinions on whirlybird's. In the process of forming my own. Some say they can have funky mutations ect. Would like to hear others experiences with them.

    vostok Well-Known Member

    Whorled phyllotaxy is nothing to be proud of... its a breeders fuckup in most cases

    and not to be confused with 'fox tailing' another breeder/ environment screwup

    in most cases both are recessive

    just keep in mind we are growing THC here

    good luck

    chemphlegm Well-Known Member

    dirty tools are a common culprit. I'd hide the little bastards in the corner of veg till they tighten up their act.
    they will never be better if treated to the same environment and habits.
    As normal leaves formed I'd cut those embarrassing leaves away, so nobody ever sees them, then, I'd clean my tools.

    SPLFreak808 Well-Known Member

    Can you explain to me how dirty tools might cause a whorled phyllotaxy? Its not a trick question.. Id really like to know if you have something to share.
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    RetiredGuerilla Well-Known Member

    Lol yeah it's a genetic mutation. Mine came out of a batch of shantibaba's g13 skunk. These were regular beans. I have limited indoor space and recently had to give two gorgeous males the heave ho the whorled phyllotaxy was my only female of the 3 beans I germinated. I'm not really liking the way she's forming her buds and there is very little terpene profile going on. just a hint of grapefruit. The trichome production is coming around 3.5 weeks into flowering. I will be patient tho coz shanti is one of the best out there.
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    chemphlegm Well-Known Member

    so totally misread the title, and my answer is " STASH" .
    I've worked with them, nothing purposeful, just happened, neat for the novelty if nothing else.
    variegated, duckfoots.....send them my way please...
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    vostok Well-Known Member

    Dirty Tools? = TMV (tobacco mosaic virus) is most prevalent in the mid western states is a hangover from tobacco growing days,

    is easy confused as mild nute burn, and or WPhy.

    if this shit gives you a hardon, look for McPartlands book

    good luck

    Sativied Well-Known Member


    You've been hanging around with the inbred fuckups here too long V. Besides recessive doesnt mean what you think it means, Im sure you never actually tested inheritance of either over multiple generations and are not in a position to backup your illusion of knowledge. Whether it (just as many other traits) are recessive depends as much on what you cross it with.

    Embarrassing leaves... There is no difference between leaves on a plant with regular opposite phyllotaxy and whorled phyllotaxy. Phyllotaxy is just a different leaf arrangement of regular leaves and says nothing about the individual leaves itself.

    "Advanced MJ cultivation" at trollitup... :rolleyes:

    As for OP's question: impossible to tell till you smoke it. Whorled phyllotaxy is not linked to all genes that either make it stash or trash and has nothing to do with thc contents or terp profiles which unlike wp do determine if stash or trash.

    Rayne Well-Known Member

    If you aren't growing for the purpose of a personal breeding program. There is nothing wrong with a recessive trait.

    Natural red hair with green eyes are recessive traits in humans.

    pseudobotanist Well-Known Member

    And I love me some red heads:blsmoke:
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    ☢Smokey♛Dragon♨❀ Well-Known Member

    I recently had this phenomena happen to me in my breeding experiment and I don't think its a "fuckup" at all...
    Rather extraordinary in my opinion and can cause greater yields with no effect to vigor, potency, or health of the plant if anything its beneficial! But let's get it straight this only occurs in cross breeds not in true breeding strains, also it isn't a trait that can pass on to offspring. KEEP IT DUDE!

    Wicked_One Active Member

    I had one on a Heavyweight Fruit punch I did a few years ago.
    The bud grew like a fist and It was a very dense. The foliage growing out of the bud was tightly packed together leaves ontop of leaves.
    It seemed to be a bit weaker than the rest of the bud but it was good smoke and it was a pretty cool experience watching it grow.
    It had a few seeds in it and I grew one of them and it came out completely normal.

    ☢Smokey♛Dragon♨❀ Well-Known Member

    Awesome, that's dope as fuck man!! I hope that mine can recover the transplant shock and takeoff a bit before it starts flowering....

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    RetiredGuerilla Well-Known Member

    either your mix is hot or you need to back off on the teas you got a lil leaf tip burn. Just give her a worm casting shake take that right out

    ☢Smokey♛Dragon♨❀ Well-Known Member

    Alright thank you very much I just noticed too, good looking out dawg!

    ☢Smokey♛Dragon♨❀ Well-Known Member

    What if I could use the big bloom it is low in npk fertilizer and has bat guano and earthworm

    pseudobotanist Well-Known Member

    Use something that's slightly low in N but don't completely back off. Whatever you're currently using should be good but go down a few doses.

    Less is more. Or KISS

    farmerfischer Well-Known Member

    example of ducks foot please..I maybe able to help you out..if my thinking is on the same page

    chemphlegm Well-Known Member

    specifically variegated ? wow, that would be the top of the morning for this old guy
    abe supercro

    abe supercro Well-Known Member

    It's been awhile since I've seen pics, but I think the leaves only have three lobes and are rounded, doesn't look like herb much at all, more like a white oak leaf.
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