Who is the real dishonest candidate?

Ace Yonder

Well-Known Member
With all this talk about Hillary's dishonesty, let's see how the actual numbers stack up between her and Trump.

PolitiFact on Hillary, truthfulness of statements:
True: 23%
Mostly True: 27%
Half True: 21%
Mostly False: 16%
False: 11%
Pants on Fire: 1%

Now lets see Trump (Awarded PolitiFact's Lie of the Year):
True: 2%
Mostly True: 6%
Half True: 15%
Mostly False: 15%
False: 42%
Pants on Fire: 19%

Annnnd finally, let's see how The Golden Boy Bernie stacks up:
True: 14%
Mostly True: 36%
Half True: 19%
Mostly False: 18%
False: 12%
Pants on Fire: 0%

Soooo, in case you're bad at math, Hillary is at LEAST as Honest as Bernie, possibly even more so. But lets see how people dispute this, since I'm sure some people are dumb enough to argue with the facts. I'm guessing it will have something to do with their favorite rallying cry of "BUT THE EMAILSSSSS"...
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
With all this talk about Hillary's dishonesty, let's see how the actual numbers stack up between her and Trump.

PolitiFact on Hillary, truthfulness of statements:
True: 23%
Mostly True: 27%
Half True: 21%
Mostly False: 16%
False: 11%
Pants on Fire: 1%

Now lets see Trump (Awarded PolitiFact's Lie of the Year):
True: 2%
Mostly True: 6%
Half True: 15%
Mostly False: 15%
False: 42%
Pants on Fire: 19%

Annnnd finally, let's see how The Golden Boy Bernie stacks up:
True: 14%
Mostly True: 36%
Half True: 19%
Mostly False: 18%
False: 12%
Pants on Fire: 0%

Soooo, in case you're bad at math, Hillary is at LEAST as Honest as Bernie, possibly even more so. But lets see how people dispute this, since I'm sure some people are dumb enough to argue with the facts. I'm guessing it will have something to do with their favorite rallying cry of "BUT THE EMAILSSSSS"...
There lies, there are damned lies- and then, there are statistics. -Samuel Clements, aka Mark Twain.

Bernie Sanders has my vote.
 
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ttystikk

Well-Known Member
nah.

wanna place a wager on whether or not this year is the hottest on record? or have your firmly held beliefs gone on hiatus?
I'll bet you;

I'll bet this year is not only the hottest ever, but by the largest margin ever.

I'm betting a new chiller and energy efficient windows, because northern Colorado has acquired the climate of northern New Mexico from 40 years ago.
 

Ace Yonder

Well-Known Member
99% of what Trump says are incomplete rambling statements. Beats me how they can determine truthfulness, I can't even figure out what he is talking about!
Well, I know it was probably rhetorical, but PolitiFact actually lists the quotes and explanations of each claim they tackle and why they rate it what they rate it, so you can see every claim they are reviewing and what the truth actually is. Here are two examples from Trumps "Pants on Fire" section:

Trump Statement A:"Frankly, (Hillary Clinton) doesn’t do very well with women."
"...Trump went on to say that Clinton’s standing among female voters in particular is nothing to write home about.

"Frankly, (Hillary Clinton) doesn’t do very well with women," Trump said. "If you look at what happened recently, … in the last two weeks, including New York. I won with women by vast, vast majorities. I was way, way up with women far above anybody else in the exit polls of the recent election."
...
Trump, as it turns out, couldn’t be more wrong.
...
Clinton’s 19-point average lead over Trump among women -- if it held all the way to November -- would give her the biggest winning margin among women of any presidential candidate since at least 1980.
...
In fact, looking at a cross-section of April polls, Clinton’s average lead over Trump among female voters is bigger than any nominee has registered in an actual presidential election election in at least 36 years. We rate Trump’s statement Pants on Fire."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/02/donald-trump/donald-trump-wrong-hillary-clinton-doesnt-do-very-/

Trump Statement B: Says Ted Cruz "said I was in favor in Libya. I never discussed that subject."
"At the GOP debate in Houston, Donald Trump pushed back at a claim from Texas Sen. Ted Cruz that Trump was in favor of the United States helping Libyans oust dictator Muammar Gaddafi.

"He said I was in favor in Libya," Trump said, sounding perplexed. "I never discussed that subject. I was in favor of Libya? We would be so much better off if Gaddafi would be in charge right now."

Oh, Trump discussed it.

And thanks to BuzzFeed, we have the video. (All the hat tips to Andrew Kaczynski.)

It comes from 2011, on Trump’s video blog.

"I can’t believe what our country is doing," Trump said, according to a BuzzFeed transcript. "Gaddafi in Libya is killing thousands of people, nobody knows how bad it is, and we’re sitting around we have soldiers all have the Middle East, and we’re not bringing them in to stop this horrible carnage and that’s what it is: It’s a carnage."

Trump continued.

"You talk about things that have happened in history; this could be one of the worst," Trump said. "Now we should go in, we should stop this guy, which would be very easy and very quick. We could do it surgically, stop him from doing it, and save these lives. This is absolutely nuts. We don’t want to get involved and you’re gonna end up with something like you’ve never seen before."

And then ...

"But we have go in to save these lives; these people are being slaughtered like animals," Trump said. "It’s horrible what’s going on; it has to be stopped. We should do on a humanitarian basis, immediately go into Libya, knock this guy out very quickly, very surgically, very effectively, and save the lives."
...
Trump tried to claim during the Houston debate that he never discussed supporting U.S. intervention in Libya.

That’s patently inaccurate, as Trump’s own words show. This claim rates Pants on Fire!
"
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/25/donald-trump/donald-trumps-pants-fire-claim-he-never-discussed-/


So yeah, they go through claims pretty thoroughly, and give %'s based on total number of claims rated into each category.
 

OddBall1st

Well-Known Member
Politifact is full of BS,.. if what they say is so true, How come I can`t find one,...let alone two people in my area that will vote for Hillary ? I live in Boston, there should be Hillary and Bernie signs all over the place,....Not one, not even one.

Who did Donald discuss Libya with ? Don`t just cite comments made as discussion. Who wanted and discussed Libya with Trump ?

I comment on Hillary and Libya all the time,....So am I guilty of discussing Libya ? Held responsible ?
 

OddBall1st

Well-Known Member
trump got 311k votes in massachusetts.

hillary got 604k. bernie got 586k.

you are a dumb shit.

All of the Democratic support showed up for the Primaries like good sheep should.

Not many Trump supporters wasted their time, they know what they will vote in November. Still their are no Hillary signs and I can`t find one woman in my area that supports or even believes her.

Your point is noted But that`s all it can be right now.

Remember, Hillary`s secrete weapon, the Native American, was predicted to slaughter independent Brown.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
All of the Democratic support showed up for the Primaries like good sheep should.

Not many Trump supporters wasted their time, they know what they will vote in November. Still their are no Hillary signs and I can`t find one woman in my area that supports or even believes her.

Your point is noted But that`s all it can be right now.

Remember, Hillary`s secrete weapon, the Native American, was predicted to slaughter independent Brown.

you're mentally retarded.

first you imply trump supporters are just laying low and that trump will win massachusetts. not gonna happen, retard.

then you make your racist hatred of elizabeth warren known. retard.

then you call scott brown, who is a republican, an independent. retard.

and also, this. retard.

Screenshot 2016-05-30 at 12.04.51 PM.png

you are a mentally retarded person. would you disagree?
 

OddBall1st

Well-Known Member
you're mentally retarded.

first you imply trump supporters are just laying low and that trump will win massachusetts. not gonna happen, retard.

then you make your racist hatred of elizabeth warren known. retard.

then you call scott brown, who is a republican, an independent. retard.

and also, this. retard.

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you are a mentally retarded person. would you disagree?

Well I am one of them so you say`n "wont happen" don`t mean shit.
Warren made the claim, not I.
Scott ran as an independent and made the same deal as Trump.

Your picture is flawed. You know it too.

Scott won and was the senator from 2010 to 2013.

The real retard stood up and replied to me.

I may change and start calling you the ..."say so foo" Let me talk to your mom first though.
 
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