White Russian's MMJ grow

How did I miss this ??

Nice set up cerberus !

I definitely dig your style bro. You've put a lot of time, energy and reading into what your doing and it shows !!

I hope the covering of the pipes and bucket tops works to cool your lines.
If it doesn't the only things I can think of that would work are : I use a fresh air inlet that brings cool air in across my rezz, lines and buckets. (but this wont work with you doing a sealed co2 room) 3/4 inch pipe insulation works good for your pipes and isn't to pricey.. The other would be to get some vented hoods. I personally love the spread of a parabolic but they heat stuff up. (hope you don't mind my input)

When you get those temps down in your lines your going to notice a big difference. (they look good and healthy though)

I'm subbed,
MYWhat?

hellraizer30 said:

This is a issue I have run into with all my ebb system! One thought I had was to build up a sub floor
And run the flood lines under it out of the heat of the lights!

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Wow ... a sub floor !! The things we do to grow Love it ~~ !!

.....so not ever having grown using this method, is the issue with the heat in the lines due to not draining completely? I mean from the looks you'd wonder how all of the line would be able to empty when it doesn't drop below the bucket level...... idk, would going complete UC solve this issue? I seem to get away with running at higher temps in a GH AF20 when I compare to the problems the flood and drain table have given me.....figuring it may be due to the perpetual movement of the solution? If the controller were lower than the buckets would it drain completely? Sorry for my ignorance, lol......

And it's still looking awesome and prof!!

gman

maineyankee said:

Wow ... a sub floor !! The things we do to grow Love it ~~ !!

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Making a sub-floor is a whole new ball game.

That would allow the grower another gravity boost and rather than having excess sitting idle in your lines - it would all immediately return to the secondary reservoir. That's assuming your secondary reservoir/controller is placed under the new sub-floor and not on top of it.

I need to get into every ebb and grow room on earth, I think I could really come up with some ground breaking perceptions about how a recirculating system should work. From those I have been in, it seems they all work on the premise of moving water by brute force. It works, no argument here. But I think it's the fools way out.

hellraizer30 said:

This is a issue I have run into with all my ebb system! One thought I had was to build up a sub floor
And run the flood lines under it out of the heat of the lights!

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yeah, i though of that, to much work to late in this round but maybe next time, i will make my own buckets and put the drain hook-ups at the bottom, connect them to 3/4-1" pvc pipe that wil run under a sub floor and back to a brain bucket.. back to the DIY blood

thanks mang

MYWhat? said:

How did I miss this ??

Nice set up cerberus !

I definitely dig your style bro. You've put a lot of time, energy and reading into what your doing and it shows !!

I hope the covering of the pipes and bucket tops works to cool your lines.
If it doesn't the only things I can think of that would work are : I use a fresh air inlet that brings cool air in across my rezz, lines and buckets. (but this wont work with you doing a sealed co2 room) 3/4 inch pipe insulation works good for your pipes and isn't to pricey.. The other would be to get some vented hoods. I personally love the spread of a parabolic but they heat stuff up. (hope you don't mind my input)

When you get those temps down in your lines your going to notice a big difference. (they look good and healthy though)

I'm subbed,
MYWhat?

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thanks MW, glad your on board with this, i think our two systems are a lot a like. funny you mention that about the air flow and shit, I have added a snorkel to my air pump and now it pulls air in from the out side, dumping arctic air into the rez tank at 30 liters a min. it has been doing wonders in keeping the rez cool

I had sun systems ocho's (8" sealed hoods) i just traded in for the parabolic, the light spread is great! AND the sealed hoods diffuse to much light for me, between the tempered glass and the dust that gets on the glass a lot of light is lost.. imho

Buddy232 said:

Making a sub-floor is a whole new ball game.

That would allow the grower another gravity boost and rather than having excess sitting idle in your lines - it would all immediately return to the secondary reservoir. That's assuming your secondary reservoir/controller is placed under the new sub-floor and not on top of it.

I need to get into every ebb and grow room on earth, I think I could really come up with some ground breaking perceptions about how a recirculating system should work. From those I have been in, it seems they all work on the premise of moving water by brute force. It works, no argument here. But I think it's the fools way out.

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before you go reinventing the wheel, take a look at the new UC systems.. that is where its at.

growinman said:

.....so not ever having grown using this method, is the issue with the heat in the lines due to not draining completely? I mean from the looks you'd wonder how all of the line would be able to empty when it doesn't drop below the bucket level...... idk, would going complete UC solve this issue? I seem to get away with running at higher temps in a GH AF20 when I compare to the problems the flood and drain table have given me.....figuring it may be due to the perpetual movement of the solution? If the controller were lower than the buckets would it drain completely? Sorry for my ignorance, lol......

And it's still looking awesome and prof!!

gman

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complete UC is the future goal. but i am running this a few cycles before i ADD a Uc system to the mix. this draining issue is the bane of all store bought bucket flood and drain systems.. its an easy fix IF you building it yourself..

thanks for the advise, your right on with the issues.

alot of growers that bough an UC(under current) trashed em.....lots of probs, but when they work they are killer.....

cerberus said:

before you go reinventing the wheel, take a look at the new UC systems.. that is where its at.

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LOL I don't want to reinvent the wheel Cerberus, I just think the way commercial automated units and they common method of setting them up is very inefficient. If man were satisfied with working results we'd still use steam engines.

I've seen a few UC systems, but only one fully operating. (In person I mean) Even that looked extremely inefficient. Again... brute force.

I question who designs this stuff. Obviously companies put their name on it... but it would be great to talk to the people who came up with the concepts and ask why they do what they do. The problem is, those people (usually) never reveal themselves in modern industry because they know their stuff is so simple that once the cat is out of the bag no one will buy their equipment anymore. I still don't understand how they market the complete ebb systems. You've got to be a fool to pay for and have shipped an empty 55 gallon barrel and buckets. Matter of fact, I will under cut whoever sells barrels right now, and to get paid to drill a hole in a bucket and put a grommet in it - shoot.

I think the price comparison of a UC system vs buying your own bins, pvc and some pumps would be astronomical.

Not being argumentative... just saying.

the guy that makes the UC system posts at THCfarmer, *there is also a sub-forum there about UC systems....stop by Grass Root Grower in Augusta and ask Mike about his UC....

I agree with you guys completely, I would NOT buy a UC system.. that shit could be made for pennies on the dollar no doubt. What I was saying about reinventing the wheel is, there are guys/companies that do the right thing (as far as engineering, not pricing).. in my estimation, i would steal some ideas from a few different companies and build my own. I have always been a soil guy, and i can pick deffin. and the such pretty good but i wanted a dumbed down water system for my first wack at the thing, just to get my feet wet as it where.. but 100% buying pre made shit, is almost never the best decision, especially in this game..

MD: thanks, i will.

update day 12

plastic covering the lines, looks pretty getto but does a great job of shading.

put a max fan on the ground (for a temp period) to blow on the one verticaly hanging bulb

i'm sitting sideways -biggie



I'm a few days ahead of this picture and I will post a catch-up in a day or two. they are doing pretty good now, and getting a hold of the water temps made a huge difference in growth.. go figure

Looking good cerberus how long you going to veg?

Looking great there Cerberus ... It does not look ghetto at all. Looks like you are just taking pride in your work

3 weeks is my veg time, i am also going to bend them (lst) through the cage to ge a flatter canopy.

thanks M.Y.

3weeks is good! should get you a good full size plant to put in bloom!

thank HR. I am hoping so, since i have put my next round on hold and these 12 will have to produce for 3 patients (in ME, i can have 18 plants for the 3). making the extra room to pop some of my own mob x mosca c99 projects seeds and start a pheno hunt for the next round of breeding.

as i said, here are a few more, to catch the journal up to speed with the plants, make it live so to speak

day 15, started the LST'ing



the next day (day 16) the little ladies perked right up, and we are off.

update:
these are days 21 and 22



I did some last minute LST'ing on the 20th and 21st so the 22nd is here, and you can see i have already added the red light.

I have "cranked" the ppm's up to 1150 which is still below the feeding chart recomends BUT I think they want me to spend more money and i'll start up'ing in flower. here is above view with the new purple effect (eye 1K HPS + sunmaster 1K blue = cool purple)


the lights flipped after this and the show will be starting shortly, thanks to everyone who watched the boring part.

1100 is plenty high enough bro and yes its a marketing sceme