When To Start Counting Flowering Weeks?

Hayduke said:

I'm sure it was already mentioned...but a sexually mature plant shows pistols in veg...my guess would be that the breeder is not forcing his plants to show sex, but putting them in the flower room when they are ready to flower rather than forcing the issue...I believe this is where they get the days, and yes conditions make a difference.

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this is the only thing i've seen that is just as important as the countdown. if you're plants are showing pistils in veg. seeing pistils the 1st day you switch to 12/12 is going to have you chopping a week or 2 early. start counting when you see MORE than a few pistils. these are the beginnings of the flowering stage, NOT at the 1st sign of pistils. that 1st week is the plant switching to flower. think of it this way, you can't go forward until the car is in the right gear, for plants, it may take it a week to get it into drive. the countdown should be viewed as a large window to harvest. every plant is different, and so are the conditions in which each grow. that being said, one may be done a week earlier, or a week later. get a scope and decide when to harvest yourself, don't go by an artificial timetable under seemingly perfect conditions.

never chop by any one thing calender or anything recognize a finished plant look at the big picture is the message im trying to put across if you going to look at one thing for when buds are ready you are going to be surprised one day cause plants genests even same everything -differ

i promise you that

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yes...look at the plant not the calendar! If someone thought I said different...my apologies. My point is that a sexually mature plant (showing pistils in veg) will start to flower a bit faster than a veg plant that showed no signs of sex and was forced by the photo period switch.

Many seeds will give more than one phenotype...My Ak-48 (total crap don't waste your time!) took 70 days. My 400w will probably not finish as fast as a 1000w...I hate it when I hear people cutting because it is day x. My experience is that the days on the package is a bit of a fib...I know my brother-in-law was shopping for seeds by yield and flowering time...rather than potency! I have yet to see a plant that was finished in the time advertised...maybe it's my 400??

I have had strains take 3 weeks to show sex when forced! These sure would not be done in 5 more weeks!!!!

Medi 1 said:

niot looking at trichs is just guessing then. and to the other comment that they dont start to flower till 123/12. no, they start at anything under 15 hour,. we never get true 12 outdoor but still flower. thats why its slower ouitdoor as its a gradual flowering responce with less light daily. my true 12 dark dont come till late late fall.

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the days of flowering SHOULD be counted from the first day of 12/12 on a indoor grow witch is what i believe we are talking about. but yes outdoor they flower like you say. so in indoor they really dont start to flwoer till 12/12 unless you take the time to shorten each day by a few minutes.

I say the days go after pistols shoot because given the ideal invironment it alwayse seems like it takes 1 week longer than scheduled harvest

The question posed was not referring to an outside grow. I answered the question at hand. peace

Burger Boss said:

NOT true for OUTSIDE grows. By 12/12 OUTDOORS, you SHOULD already have HUGE buds.......BB

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you have grown for 15 years and DON'T now when a plant starts to flower? I gotta call you on that one. That's bullshit. Like I said, if you grew one time and kept a journal of it you would know when a plants starts to flower. And another thing, grow journal are not for first time growers. They are used to help growers of all levels better their grows, do experiments, reference points, ect. peace

hell by 12/12 for me we have snow on the ground, not to many ever even see 12/12 in a growing season. all it needs it less than 15 hours light to trigger them

i believe 12/12 is reached for you the same day as everyone else in the world - september 23, 2010 aka the equinox (unless you are on the equator where its 12/12 every day). Where do you live that you have snow by sept 23?

Some plant basics though - The plants produce a hormone in the dark that triggers maturation. during the long days of summer this process is interrupted when morning comes again and changes the hormone production. This happens every night until finally, when the season has progressed long enough and the days have shortened enough (and the nights have subsequently lengthened enough) that the hormone hits a critical level. This level is different depending on the strain and the plant, but happens at some point between 18/6 and 12/12.

If you grow outside, by the time you actually hit 12/12 your plant has already hit its critical hormone point BEFORE then and started flowering. Indoors you generally go from 24/0 or 18/6 directly to 12/12.

dudeoflife said:

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selling samples? wouldn't you be better off giving away samples and having people show what your product can do. and how easy it is to use. like crack give them the first rock and get them hooked

well if i had to wait till then id be choppin 2 weeks later from cold then. its already to cold here for outdoors. sept 23 im already harvested here. mine start 3rd week in jully and are in full bud by 15th aug. and again...flowering begins at about 15 hours light
the reason indoor we cut right to 12/12 is to induce stress and produces faster flower sets
your timing on flowering is way off for here

oh and them hormones are called auxins and cytokins

MY timings not off. I'm just pointing out how natural light cycles work, and that plants do in fact start flowering before 12/12.

ya thats been said about 20 times in here now. ya timing is off. you said i should be flowering by the 23 or so..i should be chopping by then here. 2 months slow.
dosent matter...its all be said over n over in here anyways.

if they do bud under 15 hours then why not do a 14/10 cycle?? give more energy.

Mountainfarmer said:

you have grown for 15 years and DON'T now when a plant starts to flower? I gotta call you on that one. That's bullshit. Like I said, if you grew one time and kept a journal of it you would know when a plants starts to flower. And another thing, grow journal are not for first time growers. They are used to help growers of all levels better their grows, do experiments, reference points, ect. peace

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I know when my stuff is ready. I have and will always go by overall ripeness. It is a question. When i started growing seed companies were not main stream. we did not get any timeline for flower from the breeder. we didnt have LED and all this crazy stuff. so i dot know why you have to be rude and " call bullshit". what is it with some people on this site. always calling bullshit. its crazy. and for grow journals. i understand where you are coming from but after the years you learn how to Listen to a plant and not a grow journl !

Mountainfarmer said:

you have grown for 15 years and DON'T now when a plant starts to flower? I gotta call you on that one. That's bullshit. Like I said, if you grew one time and kept a journal of it you would know when a plants starts to flower. And another thing, grow journal are not for first time growers. They are used to help growers of all levels better their grows, do experiments, reference points, ect. peace

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and the question is not when they start to flower. Im not dumb!

The question is when does a breeder start to count their flower. so when they label seeds they produced with 53-60 day flower we understand what they mean. I bet a breeder gives you this window so you have an IDEA of when its PRIME!

sure ive run at longer light hours...way slower to bud as it keeps on wanting to grow more. but in the end it dont make more buds...not for what more it costs anyways.
ive taken it to 12 for a bit to induce the flowering then back up to 14 and then back down slowly to. all a watse of time in my opinion. also slows the trich production as less stress from the sudden light drop

Medi 1 said:

ya thats been said about 20 times in here now. ya timing is off. you said i should be flowering by the 23 or so..i should be chopping by then here. 2 months slow.
dosent matter...its all be said over n over in here anyways.

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no i said everyone hits 12/12 on that day. the entire world. so flowering is triggered some time before 12/12

ya and again...its been said over n over 15 hours.

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hope its large enough to see this time....lol

Ok, as stated, it's a rough guideline. They do the same thing with vegetable seeds. And everyone knows that just because it says 75 days to harvest on the packet, you aren't going to have broccoli out in the garden waving a flag suing come get me!!!