What's your audio system like?

R1c3K1LL3R

Active Member
Loud isn't the main criteria when it comes to any speaker...even a sub. At least not to me. When building your own..there are alot of things to consider regarding cabinet size, resonance(sp?), rolloff, amp matching etc etc. A sub should hit the lowest of low notes with ease...not a rumble...which is what I detect when I hear alot of subs. I use 8" subs....and they kick the ass of most large beefy 12" or bigger. Not that a large one can't be good...but alot are really just noise. Go to a good local store and listen to some Higher end velodynes or something similar....then shoot for that.

Rule of thumb I have for buying or testing speakers. find the best sounding speakers to your ears that you can find.....regardless of price...then find something that sounds as close to that as possible in your price range. You won't know whats out there for a target sound if you don't audition the good ones.

Drink!
Yah I tend to do that,hence why I stick with my brands.I know when a sub gets to big for it's size it tends to have to basically "catch up" with the sounds waves it's pushing....I just like big boom sometimes.:mrgreen:...Although I do like to have good sounds as well.:hump:
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
Guess ya not into the fullest best sound for music then MAd Hatter? Some people like quality music over loud music and the new digital you loose alot of the true music during compression
 

Hanky

Well-Known Member
I like clear music when I'm just driving along or posting on RIU but if I'm out smokin or doing something with my friends loud music just makes it that much funner...
I've got a 7.1 system in my room.. I think my subs around 7 inches.. Nothing too fancy. You can feel it hit downstairs but it's nto so loud that i'm pissin off the neighbors.
My tweeters are shit and I usually don't have my mids on.
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
speakers make part of the difference but the actual source is where the real difference is.Old tube type setups are the best followed closly by a high end turntable
 

Mad Hatter

Well-Known Member
I guess by "full music" you mean pop pop crack ruffle crack pop, yea.. ill pass. My old man had that tube crap with a high end turn table, it was even belt driven with an isolated motor, ill still pass. Ill keep my 5k songs on my laptop the size of 5 LP's stacked and ill keep my nice little digi mp3 player.. In the end your talking about differences most people dont/cant hear, well they hear the pops. I bet, I would bet anything that the majority of people would not be able to tell the difference between digi and tube/lp if they were behind curtains... If the lp didnt pop and rattle always a dead give away. In the end i think ill keep my 2k songs on my iPhone. But hey, if everyone didnt like somethin different then old/better/worse/new w/e cultures would be lost. Different strokes for different folks. Cheers
 

panhead

Well-Known Member
This a subject of great interest to me,ive spent decades building my systems & collecting vintage hifi gear.

I currently have 4 systems set up in my home,2 solid state systems,1 all tube system & 1 tube/solid state hybrid system,here's a few pics of some of my audio gear.

Dedicated music room system.







Living room system.





One of my favorite vintage tube amplifiers.

 

panhead

Well-Known Member
I guess by "full music" you mean pop pop crack ruffle crack pop, yea.. ill pass. My old man had that tube crap with a high end turn table, it was even belt driven with an isolated motor, ill still pass. Ill keep my 5k songs on my laptop the size of 5 LP's stacked and ill keep my nice little digi mp3 player.. In the end your talking about differences most people dont/cant hear, well they hear the pops. I bet, I would bet anything that the majority of people would not be able to tell the difference between digi and tube/lp if they were behind curtains... If the lp didnt pop and rattle always a dead give away. In the end i think ill keep my 2k songs on my iPhone. But hey, if everyone didnt like somethin different then old/better/worse/new w/e cultures would be lost. Different strokes for different folks. Cheers
There is a little more to why people still prefer to listen to vinyl (records) over cd's & to use Tube amplifiers, it has to do with compression,dynamic range,odd order distortions,clipping & the quality of the D,A,C (Digitial to Analog Converter) that the cd player uses to convert its signal "which is bianary code that cant be heard" into a signal that can be heard, which is analog.

In the beginning of cd the Digital to Analog conversion process was crude,much information was lost in the conversion process resulting in poor sound,recording engineers still used time proven recording methods to produce quality recordings that were accurate reproductions of the music, but they still sounded bad because of the shoddy conversion rates,over time & with tech advances the Digital to Analog converters inside cd players came of age to where they are now,pretty much all DAC converters are able to accurately restructure the signal into analog,these advances in technology should have made cd a clearly beetter medium & it did briefly.

Enter the new age recording methods.

Loud is where it's at nowdays,the (behind curtians test) you spoke above is called a DBT (double blind test) & is widely used in perceptual research that goes into designing audio equipment,DBT's have been around since the early days of hifi & were pioneered by Floyd Toole & Sidney Harmon,one of the things they found durring these test's is that if people can see the stereo gear they will automatically pick by brand recognition or pick the one that costs the most as sounding better,take away the visual aspect of the comparison & they also found out that every single time test subjects will pick the louder recording as sounding better,which is rarely the case.

Recording engineers & record company big wigs picked up on this,what they did was to narrow the dynamic range of the recording & pump up the recording level's ,making every last recording as loud as possible,this type of recording is widely used & highly distorted,Vinyl as well as RTR (reel to reel) could not work as a medium being recorder in such a way so it held true to quality recording methods, while the methods for recording cd's slides farther down hill as time goes on greatly affecting the overall sound,remember louder is better & always will be to consumers,how else dose Bose pass off the junk they sell as hi-fidelity equipment & command top dollar for it.

Tube gear vs solid state (transistor) gear,there is also more to this than just a bunch of geezers living in the past,to understand why some prefer tubes over solid state you must first understand the differences in the clases of amplification.

Class A amplifiers are the best sounding at all listening levels,they also hold the lowest distortion figures of all the different classes but they have serious
drawbacks which are massive power consumption,low wattage & EXTREME HEAT & massive build costs resulting in amplifiers that weigh in excess of 100lbs & cost $5,000 & up.

Class B amplifiers,very cost efficient & are near perfect in the way they operate except one thing,all class b amplifiers sound like complete shit due to massive amounts of distortion,so bad they are never used in ANY audio application.

To get past these drawbacks of both amp classes a new class of amplifier was invented which is Class A/B,what a class a/b amp does is to run in pure class A mode in the lower range,usually between 5 to 10 percent of full power,then after a percentage the amplifier drifts more twords class b operation,remember the extremely low distortion of the Pure Class A amplifier,the farther the amp drifts twords Class B operation to meet the power demand caused by increased volume the more it drifts away from class a,also the farther the amp/receiver drifts from class a the more odd order distortion is added to the signal,this type of distortion is very unpleseant & causes "listener fatigue" very quickly.

Have you ever felt tired after listening to loud music?? if so it was listener fatigue.

With this information & knowing the fact that ALL tube amplifiers are 100% Class A its aparent why some still use tube gear over solid state gear.

I could write a novel on this subject but im sure im boring the hell outta everybody,i just thought a little information as to why some of us still prefer to spin records on tube systems was in order,it is about sound quality.
 

starchland

Well-Known Member
I was recently in Cali...and the amount of record stores down there got me hooked on buying records. amazing. I would walk out of a record store with 20 or so records and cost be a little more than buying one CD. Records are great cause your in it for the long haul. What other music format has been around for 100 years?
 

Father Jack

Well-Known Member
There is a little more to why people still prefer to listen to vinyl (records) over cd's & to use Tube amplifiers, it has to do with compression,dynamic range,odd order distortions,clipping & the quality of the D,A,C (Digitial to Analog Converter) that the cd player uses to convert its signal "which is bianary code that cant be heard" into a signal that can be heard, which is analog.

In the beginning of cd the Digital to Analog conversion process was crude,much information was lost in the conversion process resulting in poor sound,recording engineers still used time proven recording methods to produce quality recordings that were accurate reproductions of the music, but they still sounded bad because of the shoddy conversion rates,over time & with tech advances the Digital to Analog converters inside cd players came of age to where they are now,pretty much all DAC converters are able to accurately restructure the signal into analog,these advances in technology should have made cd a clearly beetter medium & it did briefly.

Enter the new age recording methods.

Loud is where it's at nowdays,the (behind curtians test) you spoke above is called a DBT (double blind test) & is widely used in perceptual research that goes into designing audio equipment,DBT's have been around since the early days of hifi & were pioneered by Floyd Toole & Sidney Harmon,one of the things they found durring these test's is that if people can see the stereo gear they will automatically pick by brand recognition or pick the one that costs the most as sounding better,take away the visual aspect of the comparison & they also found out that every single time test subjects will pick the louder recording as sounding better,which is rarely the case.

Recording engineers & record company big wigs picked up on this,what they did was to narrow the dynamic range of the recording & pump up the recording level's ,making every last recording as loud as possible,this type of recording is widely used & highly distorted,Vinyl as well as RTR (reel to reel) could not work as a medium being recorder in such a way so it held true to quality recording methods, while the methods for recording cd's slides farther down hill as time goes on greatly affecting the overall sound,remember louder is better & always will be to consumers,how else dose Bose pass off the junk they sell as hi-fidelity equipment & command top dollar for it.

Tube gear vs solid state (transistor) gear,there is also more to this than just a bunch of geezers living in the past,to understand why some prefer tubes over solid state you must first understand the differences in the clases of amplification.

Class A amplifiers are the best sounding at all listening levels,they also hold the lowest distortion figures of all the different classes but they have serious
drawbacks which are massive power consumption,low wattage & EXTREME HEAT & massive build costs resulting in amplifiers that weigh in excess of 100lbs & cost $5,000 & up.

Class B amplifiers,very cost efficient & are near perfect in the way they operate except one thing,all class b amplifiers sound like complete shit due to massive amounts of distortion,so bad they are never used in ANY audio application.

To get past these drawbacks of both amp classes a new class of amplifier was invented which is Class A/B,what a class a/b amp does is to run in pure class A mode in the lower range,usually between 5 to 10 percent of full power,then after a percentage the amplifier drifts more twords class b operation,remember the extremely low distortion of the Pure Class A amplifier,the farther the amp drifts twords Class B operation to meet the power demand caused by increased volume the more it drifts away from class a,also the farther the amp/receiver drifts from class a the more odd order distortion is added to the signal,this type of distortion is very unpleseant & causes "listener fatigue" very quickly.

Have you ever felt tired after listening to loud music?? if so it was listener fatigue.

With this information & knowing the fact that ALL tube amplifiers are 100% Class A its aparent why some still use tube gear over solid state gear.

I could write a novel on this subject but im sure im boring the hell outta everybody,i just thought a little information as to why some of us still prefer to spin records on tube systems was in order,it is about sound quality.

Great post. I couldn't of said it better myself.

I was in retail for awhile selling bose as our main line. That stuff is pure shit to say the least. When we had to attend seminars for bose..."to learn how to sell their equipment properly"...some retailers attending the seminars would get up and walk out. The shit they tried to get us to do to fool the consumer was disgusting.

The moto in the biz is: No highs...no lows...it must be bose.

Also...better sound through marketing.

Drink!
 

panhead

Well-Known Member
Great post. I couldn't of said it better myself.

I was in retail for awhile selling bose as our main line. That stuff is pure shit to say the least. When we had to attend seminars for bose..."to learn how to sell their equipment properly"...some retailers attending the seminars would get up and walk out. The shit they tried to get us to do to fool the consumer was disgusting.

The moto in the biz is: No highs...no lows...it must be bose.

Also...better sound through marketing.

Drink!
Thank you.

Ya gotta give DR Bose credit though,through his saturation advertising methods he has convinced an entire generation that a plastic cube with a 2# tweeter inside it is hi fidility,he has also convinced the same generation that a 5# midrange driver in a 5th order bandbass configuration(worst bass response of all configurations) is a subwoofer,then charges above premium prices for the junk.

It's a shame too because Bose did make some very good hifi gear for a short time,if i remember right around the late 1970's,they had the 1801 power amp that was outstanding & a matching preamp but i cant remember the model #.
 

chiknmunky

Active Member
This a subject of great interest to me,ive spent decades building my systems & collecting vintage hifi gear.

I currently have 4 systems set up in my home,2 solid state systems,1 all tube system & 1 tube/solid state hybrid system,here's a few pics of some of my audio gear.

Dedicated music room system.







Living room system.





One of my favorite vintage tube amplifiers.


:jawdrop: Drool...

This thread makes me sad now. I sold my stax a few weeks ago to finance a new bass. Oh well the grado's are still doing fine.
 

Chiceh

Global Mod, Stoner Chic
Does my computer plugged into my old compact stereo count? Cause that is what my system consists of, lol. Nothing fancy here, lol. :mrgreen::peace:
 

mrCRC420

Well-Known Member
DAAAMN i'm jealous of panheads humble abode, c'mon man.. that's fuckin awesome.

moving to what my collegite ass has well I was lucky enuf to fine two 2x1 speakers and a vintage pioneer amp, cranks like what. i had to replace two of the surrounds but they sound great now. I added two overhead boston computer speakers and some smaller color changing ipod speakers (for those baked times :) ) so surround sound in my room wooo!
 

NewEnglandPotriot

Active Member
With this information & knowing the fact that ALL tube amplifiers are 100% Class A its aparent why some still use tube gear over solid state gear.

I agree with 99% of what you said, except this point. Many tube amps over 40-50W are Class AB. My Assemblage amp (Sonic Frontiers kit) is AB Ultralinear, as are some Audio Research, Conrad-Johnson, and others. My system's a few notches lower than yours (Cary, B&W, Rega Planet 2k, Clearaudio turntable) but we share the same enjoyment. The next thing I build will be an SET amp just to see what those are like. What kind of speakers are those? Those aren't Pipe Dreams are they?
 
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