What's my problem?! Please help - first grow - pics

alphapinene

alphapinene

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Hey guys first post here! please bare with me as I just dabbed some CO2 distillate lol :cough: I'm a first-time grower, growing indoors in a 3x3x6 tent. Plants are under 480W 'actual' draw LEDs, utilizing a 6" carbon filter/exhaust 400cfm- with a 6" inline fan for intake w/pre filter to create negative tent pressure. I'm growing 4 plants (2 candida cd-1 and 2 barneys farms G13-haze). The plants are in their own 3 gallon fabric 'smart' pots in roots-organics original soil, being fed the roots organics dry amendments 'uprising' line (Foundation, Grow, and Bloom) every 2 weeks, as well as their myco oregonism xl, and worm castings top dressed every so often. The plants have been drinking about 1.6L of spring water every 3 days (I wait until dry). Lastly, the average temp has been 70-73 at night, 76-79 during the day with an average humidity of 35-50%. My ladies have been doing just fine up until about a week ago. Today marks Week 4 of 12/12 and pretty much 'flower' since they were all sexually mature. They were in Veg for 4 weeks at 18" and are now at about 32". LST/and fimming was also applied. Fast forward to today and my plants seem like they are showing some signs of something, I just don't know what as it's so hard to tell for a noob! Candida #2 has some fan leaves that show two different shades of green, yellow leaf tips, and dying/wilting undergrowth, as well as red spots on some leaf tips. G13HAze#1 is a lighter/paler green, it's bottom leaves are starting to turn yellow and fall off/wilt easily, it also has purple leaf tips/edges. Both Candida #1 and G13#2 seem to be healthy. Some bottom leaves by the base of the plants are also wilting down. I'm clueless as what it could be since there's so many possibilities! Here are some pics:
G13Haze#1:
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Candida #2:
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Various:
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DrWahoos

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I second macsnax. But also some strains change as they go through flowering with some crazy colors. Some of your leaves do seem to be showing some cal/mag. Have you checked your water?(tds/ph)
 
alphapinene

alphapinene

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when you say root issues, do you mean root bound/not enough oxygen/rot? sorry i'm new to all of this. I've also never checked ph (i know that may sound stupid) as i've read it's unnecessary when growing organic especially when using earth castings since they buffer ph. should I feed more often? lay low on feeding and just water? would making a tea out of uprising foundation (cal/mag/iron dry amendments) be a quick cure?
 
DrWahoos

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Well normally you want to feed, plain water, feed, plain water. Being root bound in smart pots is hard. Thats one of the benefits. Organic soil growing definitely does help as you mentioned. Read some of the threads about plant issues but don't go crazy over analyzing. Some of my best advice would be to buy a tds, ph, ec, tester. You can use them to test the runoff water from your plants to make sure everything is in order. Amazon has them for cheap. Using spring water you probably don't have any worries. But it is worth checking. After you rule out any issue with your water, make sure you really letting the soil at the root zone dry out. Not bone dry but you want oxygen in the roots. There is an amazing thread written about checking ph and tds and how it affects nutrient lockout and many other problems. When you water, do you water till runoff?
 
macsnax

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Oyster shell flour might be a good choice. It's available to the plant fairly quick for a dry amendment. And it buffers ph as well.
 
alphapinene

alphapinene

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DrWahoos said:
Well normally you want to feed, plain water, feed, plain water. Being root bound in smart pots is hard. Thats one of the benefits. Organic soil growing definitely does help as you mentioned. Read some of the threads about plant issues but don't go crazy over analyzing. Some of my best advice would be to buy a tds, ph, ec, tester. You can use them to test the runoff water from your plants to make sure everything is in order. Amazon has them for cheap. Using spring water you probably don't have any worries. But it is worth checking. After you rule out any issue with your water, make sure you really letting the soil at the root zone dry out. Not bone dry but you want oxygen in the roots. There is an amazing thread written about checking ph and tds and how it affects nutrient lockout and many other problems. When you water, do you water till runoff?
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That's what I thought with the smart pots, don't they naturally 'air prune' the roots? I definitely will read that thread thanks, ordering a tester as we speak :) I have been letting the soil dry out between waterings then water until i see minimal run-off
 
alphapinene

alphapinene

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macsnax said:
Oyster shell flour might be a good choice. It's available to the plant fairly quick for a dry amendment. And it buffers ph as well.
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hmm, oyster shell flour is an ingredient in the roots organic secondary nute foundation product...but mixed in with other organic amendments with a 2-1-1. would that work as well as just oyster shell flour?
 
Lite

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looks like a nutrient lockout. burnt tips and the plant has cannibalized the bottom leaves for nutrients.

Check your water TEMP and PH!

otherwise you need to kick up the nutrients
 
DrWahoos

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Once you have a few grows under your belt you will be able to know how much water you need by simply lifting and feeling the pot. For now supplement that with strict schedules and also get the soil tester. its on amazon as well and its a 3 in 1 moist/ph/light. The light is is in lumens and not super applicable. Also I cannot express how much the Jorge Cervantes growing bible is beyond worth buying. It gives all info in easy to read guides.
Side note: those girls look great overall. Don't overly stress.
 
alphapinene

alphapinene

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DrWahoos said:
Once you have a few grows under your belt you will be able to know how much water you need by simply lifting and feeling the pot. For now supplement that with strict schedules and also get the soil tester. its on amazon as well and its a 3 in 1 moist/ph/light. The light is is in lumens and not super applicable. Also I cannot express how much the Jorge Cervantes growing bible is beyond worth buying. It gives all info in easy to read guides.
Side note: those girls look great overall. Don't overly stress.
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i'm looking at it right now on amazon, about to purchase. Thanks a lot man that's what I like to hear!
 
alphapinene

alphapinene

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thanks a lot guys I really appreciate all the input...so my plants are due for a drink tonight....should I just give them water for the next few waterings to flush out the 'nutelock'...or apply amendments as well as water because of the deficiency
 
macsnax

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alphapinene said:
hmm, oyster shell flour is an ingredient in the roots organic secondary nute foundation product...but mixed in with other organic amendments with a 2-1-1. would that work as well as just oyster shell flour?[/QUOTE)

See what your ph readings are. If it's out of whack and your staying organic add the oyster shell flour. What chelators does your roots organic have in it?
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Lite

Lite

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alphapinene said:
thanks a lot guys I really appreciate all the input...so my plants are due for a drink tonight....should I just give them water for the next few waterings to flush out the 'nutelock'...or apply amendments as well as water because of the deficiency
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"Nutelock" is caused by PH problems. Why would flushing fix it? My tapwater comes in at 7.2ph sometimes, if you arent correcting your PH you wont fix lockouts.
 
alphapinene

alphapinene

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The foundation has bat guano, soybean meal, feather meal, alfalfa meal, glacial rock dust, kelp meal, langbeinite, fish bone meal, oyster shell flour, greensand, and humic acid
 
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