WHAT LIGHT SHOULD I USE IN A 1x1x3 box

ImGrowingWeed

ImGrowingWeed

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Yeah but obviously IF THIS LIGHT WORKS its a super fat hookup and we should all rejoice!

I get it soon...I feel that one dual-monoLED and some CFLs get the job DONE....we shall see
 
ImGrowingWeed

ImGrowingWeed

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Jimdamick said:
Your kidding, right? If your not, it will be impossible to grow a single plant in a 12"x12" square, unless you want Munchkin bud.
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If you have adequate gas and nutes and vent and light............chickens cant even clean themselves the cage is so small yet we use their munchkin eggs on a large scale...I think this is gonna work and stuff you shall see you shall all see muahahahahah
 
Dragon311

Dragon311

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3ft tall is going to cramp a bit, but I'd go with an Area 51 light. I just switched over to their XGS-190 a few months ago and have loved what it's done so far in my cabinet.
 
Thunderbum

Thunderbum

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I grow in a cupboard 2ft x 2ft x 6ft. I started off growing 4 plants. That did not work out too well. Then I reduced it to 2 and found that one plant always overgrew the other. Now I grow one plant at a time and find that I get more bud than from more overcrowded plants. A 1x1x3 grow is going to be difficult no matter which way you look at it. I suspect that heat will be the main problem. With only 3 cubic feet of space there is very little heat buffering and the grow will be subject to temperature swings that will stress the plants and reduce output. HID is right out! Way too much heat. :fire: Even a substantial CFL is going to heat it up unless ventilation is very good. I think you are looking at LED for certain. Consider a Vipar B2x2. They are efficient and well up to what you want. One of these will fit in your box (just!). An alternative (and unorthodox solution) are Procyon 50W jobs. These are a bit expensive but are only the size of 2 coke cans, but use Cree chips and really punch out the light. The manufacturers claim they can handle 24"x24" so alowing for their exageration they may be ideal for your grow. Check them out at http://www.homegrownlights.com/50wled.html
Best of luck! :lol:
 
ImGrowingWeed

ImGrowingWeed

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Thunderbum said:
I grow in a cupboard 2ft x 2ft x 6ft. I started off growing 4 plants. That did not work out too well. Then I reduced it to 2 and found that one plant always overgrew the other. Now I grow one plant at a time and find that I get more bud than from more overcrowded plants. A 1x1x3 grow is going to be difficult no matter which way you look at it. I suspect that heat will be the main problem. With only 3 cubic feet of space there is very little heat buffering and the grow will be subject to temperature swings that will stress the plants and reduce output. HID is right out! Way too much heat. :fire: Even a substantial CFL is going to heat it up unless ventilation is very good. I think you are looking at LED for certain. Consider a Vipar B2x2. They are efficient and well up to what you want. One of these will fit in your box (just!). An alternative (and unorthodox solution) are Procyon 50W jobs. These are a bit expensive but are only the size of 2 coke cans, but use Cree chips and really punch out the light. The manufacturers claim they can handle 24"x24" so alowing for their exageration they may be ideal for your grow. Check them out at http://www.homegrownlights.com/50wled.html
Best of luck! :lol:
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THANKS FOR THE REPLY!!!

My current setup is 2 18-watt cree LEDs and a 54-watt Red/blue LED

There is a lot of light in this small box, enough to feed them all I think.
 
n0tmycupoftea

n0tmycupoftea

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I got an ounce from a 1' x 1' x 7" cpu case and that shit was a bitch (1 plant). If you're planning on sticking 6 in there and thinking that you're going to be efficient, you have another thing coming. I'm all for breaking records and breaking the mold, but reality is reality...

I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm simply stating that you're better off growing one single plant correctly, getting an ounce from it and repeating the process. I've seen grows on ICMag, THC Farmer, High Times, etc. with people thinking the more they could fit in a tiny box, the more efficient they will be and that's not the case. I've seen people grow 3 plants in a 1ft square box only to yield half an ounce and I've also seen a person grow 6 plants in a 3' x 3' x 1' box and come up with an ounce and a half.

It's not because they weren't good growers, it's because no matter what you do you're going to be limited to your space, the amount of light that can penetrate every square foot of that space, and the size of the pot you plan on putting these girls in.

How long do you plan on vegging these 6 plants? What size container are you putting them in?
 
ImGrowingWeed

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Right now they are lsting 4 weeks vegged day 3 of flower I have 7

I would say that theyre either not gonna make it........or they are all gonna make it. And I dont even know if theyre females yet!
 
Thunderbum

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ImGrowingWeed said:
Right now they are lsting 4 weeks vegged day 3 of flower I have 7

I would say that theyre either not gonna make it........or they are all gonna make it. And I dont even know if theyre females yet!
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Dude! I am not trolling you and dont want to contradict, be negative or upset you, but one thing is certain - they are NOT all gonna make it!! What you are trying to create is six Bonsai cannabis plants. Cannabis does not (to my knowledge) Bonsai. If there is anyone out there that has seen a Bonsai cannabis plant please chip in.

If the the base of your box is 1 foot square that means you have 144sq inches to play with divided by 6 plants. 24sq inches each that means each pot is less than 5" square - allowing for inefficient packing (6 pots do not fit easily into a 1' square) you have 4" pots with no hope of potting up or the plants spreading out. This is a damn small pot even for a Ruderalis strain. The root-ball of a normal heathy Cannabis plant is bigger that the entire floor of your box (I know coz I grow DWC hydroponic).

This raises a really interesting point: What is the smallest Cannabis plant that can be grown with - say - a one ounce crop, and what techniques need to be used? Has anyone tried to Bonsai a Cannabis plant? Can it be done using a "laboratory" approach - that is using plant hormones to inhibit growth and to induce flowering? How about talking to breeders about development of a VERY small strain - say 1' tall max under any reasonable condition that growers like ImGrowingWeed can really make use of? (How big does Lowryder get?) I think I will start a new thread for this if there is not already one running.
 
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safety meeting

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To OP:
6 will come out in that space, I have done 9 in a slightly bigger area, 13x17 and in 32 oz tall cups to create more vertical pot space. So going vertical is probably an option.

You will have to trim your plants down quite well to keep shading to a minimum, but if you do a hybrid lollipop shape, you could have 6 fairly nice cola's. Any other style is probably going to limit your yield with crowding issues that are never straightened.
 
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safety meeting

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Thunderbum said:
Dude! I am not trolling you and dont want to contradict, be negative or upset you, but one thing is certain - they are NOT all gonna make it!! What you are trying to create is six Bonsai cannabis plants. Cannabis does not (to my knowledge) Bonsai. If there is anyone out there that has seen a Bonsai cannabis plant please chip in.

If the the base of your box is 1 foot square that means you have 144sq inches to play with divided by 6 plants. 24sq inches each that means each pot is less than 5" square - allowing for inefficient packing (6 pots do not fit easily into a 1' square) you have 4" pots with no hope of potting up or the plants spreading out. This is a damn small pot even for a Ruderalis strain. The root-ball of a normal heathy Cannabis plant is bigger that the entire floor of your box (I know coz I grow DWC hydroponic).

This raises a really interesting point: What is the smallest Cannabis plant that can be grown with - say - a one ounce crop, and what techniques need to be used? Has anyone tried to Bonsai a Cannabis plant? Can it be done using a "laboratory" approach - that is using plant hormones to inhibit growth and to induce flowering? How about talking to breeders about development of a VERY small strain - say 1' tall max under any reasonable condition that growers like ImGrowingWeed can really make use of? (How big does Lowryder get?) I think I will start a new thread for this if there is not already one running.
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Bonzai is just a name for "training" or something close to that, fairly generic. Do you think that bonsai means something more specific?
Lst, scrog and sog and Mother plants could all be considered forms of bonsai, in reality. Maybe Im confused.
 
safety meeting

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Thunderbum said:
This raises a really interesting point: What is the smallest Cannabis plant that can be grown with - say - a one ounce crop, and what techniques need to be used? Has anyone tried to Bonsai a Cannabis plant? Can it be done using a "laboratory" approach - that is using plant hormones to inhibit growth and to induce flowering? How about talking to breeders about development of a VERY small strain - say 1' tall max under any reasonable condition that growers like ImGrowingWeed can really make use of? (How big does Lowryder get?) I think I will start a new thread for this if there is not already one running.
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Here you are basically talking selection. You can select for a small trait with vigor. Not for everybody as you might find 5 examples out of a 100.

Plants can acclimate into small pots, look at the Party Cup grows in the Led section. I find lots of indica's fit into small pots and don't fuss too much, they don't necessarily produce, but in a perpetual they can shine.

Techniques like mainlining, lst'ing/sog and scrog can all increase production when a light source doesn't penetrate the initial canopy but spread it's photon fairly evenly over a surface.
 
Thunderbum

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safety meeting said:
Bonzai is just a name for "training" or something close to that, fairly generic. Do you think that bonsai means something more specific?
Lst, scrog and sog and Mother plants could all be considered forms of bonsai, in reality. Maybe Im confused.
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Yes I tjhink you are a little confused. Bonsai involves root trimming (the tap root is removed) and the plant allowed to become pot-bound. However - bonsai plants are usually slow-growing perenials. Cannabis is a fast-growing annual and quite unsuitable for Bonsai techniques. I would love to be proved wrong as I find the propect of growing a very small Cannabis plant with one 1oz cola very intruiging. If anyone has a grow-blog with pictures and a size reference (like a coke can or ruler) please lodge a link.
 
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