What God should I pray to for a better harvest?

Dr. Who

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All praise be to Allah.... just kidding he's a violent fucker.
NO!
He's not!
It's the idiots that misinterpret the Koran for their own gain that are!
The Koran attempts to teach the same peace and forgiveness the Bible does,,,Just in a different way......Read it and see for your self.

By the way,,,,,Islam and Christians.......Pray to the same "god".......So do the Jews.
 

superloud

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NO!
He's not!
It's the idiots that misinterpret the Koran for their own gain that are!
The Koran attempts to teach the same peace and forgiveness the Bible does,,,Just in a different way......Read it and see for your self.

By the way,,,,,Islam and Christians.......Pray to the same "god".......So do the Jews.
Christianity is a very violent religon.as is islam
 

The_Herban_Legend

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NO!
He's not!
It's the idiots that misinterpret the Koran for their own gain that are!
The Koran attempts to teach the same peace and forgiveness the Bible does,,,Just in a different way......Read it and see for your self.

By the way,,,,,Islam and Christians.......Pray to the same "god".......So do the Jews.
Bring your god before me and I will sodomize your god.
 

The_Herban_Legend

Well-Known Member
NO!
He's not!
It's the idiots that misinterpret the Koran for their own gain that are!
The Koran attempts to teach the same peace and forgiveness the Bible does,,,Just in a different way......Read it and see for your self.

By the way,,,,,Islam and Christians.......Pray to the same "god".......So do the Jews.
There is no god and if you have evidence that contradicts this, by all means, show us.
 

SamsonsRiddle

Well-Known Member
NO!
He's not!
It's the idiots that misinterpret the Koran for their own gain that are!
The Koran attempts to teach the same peace and forgiveness the Bible does,,,Just in a different way......Read it and see for your self.

By the way,,,,,Islam and Christians.......Pray to the same "god".......So do the Jews.
This is completely wrong. If they were the same god then why does one say that he sent off Ishmael and the other says he continued the line through ishmael? And that's just the beginning of the book. Why does one have Jesus coming back ushering a 1,000 year reign of peace and the other has a Jesus coming back telling everyone he was never crucified and raised from the dead, but rather is a military commander who destroys all infidels who will not convert?

It's a different god with different laws, and different paths to salvation. One is through what Jesus Christ did, they other is through self-sacrifice in the name of their god.
 

Dr. Who

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This is completely wrong. If they were the same god then why does one say that he sent off Ishmael and the other says he continued the line through ishmael? And that's just the beginning of the book. Why does one have Jesus coming back ushering a 1,000 year reign of peace and the other has a Jesus coming back telling everyone he was never crucified and raised from the dead, but rather is a military commander who destroys all infidels who will not convert?

It's a different god with different laws, and different paths to salvation. One is through what Jesus Christ did, they other is through self-sacrifice in the name of their god.
Like I said. it's all in the interpretation...

Don't believe me! How about you ask your Pastor, Priest, Minister.

.AND, by the way, HAVE you read the Koran? If not, you have NO point to actually stand on!

The Old testament is beyond violent. Rape, murder, incest, conquest and war at the whim of "god" or his followers on the SAME religious grounds as you and others assert to the Koran. How about you read Job again. This was Satan and God destroying a man's life on a bet!! When job asked god why? God basically said, "because I can".......YEAH baby, nice "God" you got there....

The Old Testament taken by readings from the dead sea scrolls......Interestingly enough, appear to contain tenants from the Tora and the Koran. The bible IS a newer "book" by comparison.....In the traveling "Dead Sea Scrolls" exhibit that toured museums a few years back. It was pointed out quite clearly that the new testament took from both other sources regularly.

Now I know your going to bring up Jesus again as the savior of man kind. He gave his life for our sins and his father "god" changed and became tolerant and forgiving, changing from the rather human actions he had in the Old testament.
Almost doesn't work does it? That's like 2 different religions or even 2 different "gods" for one religion when put side by side eh?

Look here, I don't intend to offend anybody!
I NEVER say any one religion IS the one true religion. None of us really know now do we?

I believe more like the NATIVE "American" Indian. Great Spirit - Earth, Sun and Moon being honored ...... This is a more spiritual belief then anything. NO relation to Wicca or any of that..

We need to learn to respect each others religious beliefs...I maybe wrong on the pray to the same thing.....But I sure find it convenient that it's interpreted by violence..Violence that all 3 (if you have it that way) shared at one time or another....


May ALL your grows be blessed !!

Doc
 
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tripleD

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Is there an omniscient, omnipotent being out there somewhere? I have noooo idea!
But I have a very good idea about this-
1) Organized religion is for lack of a better word Perverted! Just look at Catholic Priests! Did you know that more people have been murdered in the name of organized religion than by any other organized entity? Including organized crime & organized government combined!!!
2) The Bible is total BS-You can't even get out of the first page of the first book of the Pentateuch (Genesis) without reading major contradictions! The bible isn't even a book it's a collection of various works by various authors that were cherry picked from hundreds of such written works by Constantine & his religious cronies to better unite the people and strengthen his leadership. Yup politics was even around screwing sheeeut up back then!
3) The story of Yeoseph Ben Yoseph (Jesus) was a copy cat, it was plagiarized from the story of Mithra (Persian origin) which was around for hundreds of years before "Jesus" was even born... Yep, the precious story of our lord Jesus the Christ is not an original, it's a forgery!
GOD Bless!!
 

SamsonsRiddle

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Like I said. it's all in the interpretation...

Don't believe me! How about you ask your Pastor, Priest, Minister.

.AND, by the way, HAVE you read the Koran? If not, you have NO point to actually stand on!

The Old testament is beyond violent. Rape, murder, incest, conquest and war at the whim of "god" or his followers on the SAME religious grounds as you and others assert to the Koran. How about you read Job again. This was Satan and God destroying a man's life on a bet!! When job asked god why? God basically said, "because I can".......YEAH baby, nice "God" you got there....

The Old Testament taken by readings from the dead sea scrolls......Interestingly enough, appear to contain tenants from the Tora and the Koran. The bible IS a newer "book" by comparison.....In the traveling "Dead Sea Scrolls" exhibit that toured museums a few years back. It was pointed out quite clearly that the new testament took from both other sources regularly.

Now I know your going to bring up Jesus again as the savior of man kind. He gave his life for our sins and his father "god" changed and became tolerant and forgiving, changing from the rather human actions he had in the Old testament.
Almost doesn't work does it? That's like 2 different religions or even 2 different "gods" for one religion when put side by side eh?

Look here, I don't intend to offend anybody!
I NEVER say any one religion IS the one true religion. None of us really know now do we?

I believe more like the NATIVE "American" Indian. Great Spirit - Earth, Sun and Moon being honored ...... This is a more spiritual belief then anything. NO relation to Wicca or any of that..

We need to learn to respect each others religious beliefs...I maybe wrong on the pray to the same thing.....But I sure find it convenient that it's interpreted by violence..Violence that all 3 (if you have it that way) shared at one time or another....


May ALL your grows be blessed !!

Doc

Where to begin....

The problem was that you claimed that the god of the bible was the same as the god of islam. It is not, neither does the koran harmonize with the bible.

I could bring a million points at how they are different (and even quite a few how they are similar), but here is one major one. According to the koran god has no sons, which is opposite of the bible which says jesus is the firstborn among many brethren.

I don't have any clue how you think they old testament presents a different god than the new. There is story after story in the old testament of man following god (for a very short time), then man turning his back on god. New testament is the same. I don't see where you get this reasoning from. There are several times in the old testament where god forgave his people even when they were obviously going against his will (which was for their own benefit).

The Bible must be read as a whole book, with the old testament demonstrating more of the discipline side and the new testament (or new covenant) is where he demonstrates more of the forgiveness side.

Job - If you study the spiritual significance to that story, you would see that it was not about a bet between god and satan. Rather, it was a way of god allowing job a chance to see his own shortcomings by reason of his pride. There are many times when Job speaks declaring himself righteous without giving the credit to god. I've read job....many times.

I know there is rape and everything else in the old testament, but there isn't a single instance where god said it was ok to rape someone. There are a lot of bad things back there, and in the new testament, but so are there in life. The stories are there for our learning, an example to not follow in most of their footsteps.

I have talked to many priests and they are all the same. They follow whatever denomination they work for, even if there is significant proof against their beliefs (sabbath is saturday, no one goes to heaven because jesus is bringing heaven to earth, jesus is not god but rather a part of god just like the holy spirit [how could god die?], etc..) I study god's word every day and have for several years, and would love to help you if you have questions. But if you really think that every "fact" you find out on the internet is really in harmony with the Bible then you are sorely mistaken.

It's not quantity of adherents, but rather quality of knowledge and understanding. so fuck all these churches, lol
 

tripleD

Well-Known Member
Like I said. it's all in the interpretation...

Don't believe me! How about you ask your Pastor, Priest, Minister.

.AND, by the way, HAVE you read the Koran? If not, you have NO point to actually stand on!

The Old testament is beyond violent. Rape, murder, incest, conquest and war at the whim of "god" or his followers on the SAME religious grounds as you and others assert to the Koran. How about you read Job again. This was Satan and God destroying a man's life on a bet!! When job asked god why? God basically said, "because I can".......YEAH baby, nice "God" you got there....

The Old Testament taken by readings from the dead sea scrolls......Interestingly enough, appear to contain tenants from the Tora and the Koran. The bible IS a newer "book" by comparison.....In the traveling "Dead Sea Scrolls" exhibit that toured museums a few years back. It was pointed out quite clearly that the new testament took from both other sources regularly.

Now I know your going to bring up Jesus again as the savior of man kind. He gave his life for our sins and his father "god" changed and became tolerant and forgiving, changing from the rather human actions he had in the Old testament.
Almost doesn't work does it? That's like 2 different religions or even 2 different "gods" for one religion when put side by side eh?

Look here, I don't intend to offend anybody!
I NEVER say any one religion IS the one true religion. None of us really know now do we?

I believe more like the NATIVE "American" Indian. Great Spirit - Earth, Sun and Moon being honored ...... This is a more spiritual belief then anything. NO relation to Wicca or any of that..

We need to learn to respect each others religious beliefs...I maybe wrong on the pray to the same thing.....But I sure find it convenient that it's interpreted by violence..Violence that all 3 (if you have it that way) shared at one time or another....


May ALL your grows be blessed !!

Doc
I'm with YOU Doc, I am a very spiritual person, but in my humble opinion, organized religions are just created by wolves in sheeps clothing who use it to tend to their flock! Don't get me wrong, I think there are some good things that one can learn from the Bible like the Ten commandments for example ( I prefer the first set of Ten Commandments personally, the second set had a few that I don't really care for, like "thou shalt not cook a kid in it's own mothers milk" for example. I find it hilarious that 'god' felt compelled to warn us against cooking baby goats in the milk of their own mother, but did NOT feel compelled to instruct us NOT to own slaves, or NOT to seduce/rape Virgins. Instead he tells us what we must do IF WE seduce/rape a virgin or IF WE injure our slave. Personally, I will never worship a 'god' that is willing to tolerate either of those two actions.)

Peace & Love
 

SamsonsRiddle

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I'm with YOU Doc, I am a very spiritual person, but in my humble opinion, organized religions are just created by wolves in sheeps clothing who use it to tend to their flock! Don't get me wrong, I think there are some good things that one can learn from the Bible like the Ten commandments for example ( I prefer the first set of Ten Commandments personally, the second set had a few that I don't really care for, like "thou shalt not cook a kid in it's own mothers milk" for example. I find it hilarious that 'god' felt compelled to warn us against cooking baby goats in the milk of their own mother, but did NOT feel compelled to instruct us NOT to own slaves, or NOT to seduce/rape Virgins. Instead he tells us what we must do IF WE seduce/rape a virgin or IF WE injure our slave. Personally, I will never worship a 'god' that is willing to tolerate either of those two actions.)

Peace & Love
Dude, you are looking at the bible as you are living in this current time as opposed to living in a time where slavery was normal (sometimes the bible uses slaves for workers such as in ephesians 6:5 and 1 Peter 2:1 8 . You must factor in other laws god had such as the year of jubilee where all debts were forgiven and "slaves" were no long indebted. They were able to go home, had sabbath's off, etc. Slavery ain't what it used to be.

There is only 1 set of ten commandments...so I'm not sure where you're getting this second set of commandments from. One more thing, the book is spiritual so you have to come out of your carnal mind and look deeper into the meaning of what god was trying to teach through the law.

Organized religion? Where do you find this? Every church i've studied with has been so disorganized and contradictory to each other it's hard to keep track. They all have their own book or parts of the book they skip over and ignore to push their prerogative. Don't judge the Bible by the churches...God said his children would be a small flock not a big bunch of pew potatoes.

I suggest you try studying the book every day for a year, do a chapter or two a day...with an open mind. Then let me know what god told you. It's a lifelong study to learn the word of god, not a quick assertion of knowing it all before trying it out for yourself.
 

tripleD

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Dude, you are looking at the bible as you are living in this current time as opposed to living in a time where slavery was normal (sometimes the bible uses slaves for workers such as in ephesians 6:5 and 1 Peter 2:1 8 . You must factor in other laws god had such as the year of jubilee where all debts were forgiven and "slaves" were no long indebted. They were able to go home, had sabbath's off, etc. Slavery ain't what it used to be.

There is only 1 set of ten commandments...so I'm not sure where you're getting this second set of commandments from. One more thing, the book is spiritual so you have to come out of your carnal mind and look deeper into the meaning of what god was trying to teach through the law.

Organized religion? Where do you find this? Every church i've studied with has been so disorganized and contradictory to each other it's hard to keep track. They all have their own book or parts of the book they skip over and ignore to push their prerogative. Don't judge the Bible by the churches...God said his children would be a small flock not a big bunch of pew potatoes.

I suggest you try studying the book every day for a year, do a chapter or two a day...with an open mind. Then let me know what god told you. It's a lifelong study to learn the word of god, not a quick assertion of knowing it all before trying it out for yourself.
Ok, lil feller, I'll play along with you...
Here's some information for you regarding the bible that you suggest that I study!
Bible contradictions & total BS:
1) Genesis ch 1:25 says that god created animals FIRST but
Genesis ch 2:18 says God created man FIRST...
2) When God banished Cain to Nod (land East of Eden) for killing Able, Cain met a woman & he married her & they had many children. Who was this Mystery woman & where did she come from? There is NO mention in the Bible of God creating more than one pair of Adam & Eves, so I guess she was an ALIEN...
3) Why did God need to rest on the Sabbath?? He is GOD!!
4) Why doesn't God know how many feet or legs an insect has? He tells us in
Leviticus ch 11:20-23 that insects have 4 feet & 4 legs, but I'm pretty certain that they have 6 feet & 6 legs.
5) If the word of god was soooo important then why didn't he do a better job of providing it for us. After he rested on the sabbath from creating the heavens, earth, light, man, beast, etc., he should have created the bible instead of letting Constantine & his cronies Cherry pick which books would go into the original Bible & which ones weren't politically correct.( Yep, there were politics screwing sheut up even back then)
6) Why does God tell us in Genesis ch 1:29 that it's ok to eat from ALL of the plants & trees bearing fruit upon all of the earth?
Hemlock, Buckeye pods, oleander, & many others are poisonous, & yet God either didn't know this or he suffered from a serious case of Alzheimers....
7) I want you to research Mithra (I'm being serious!) and then explain to me how it is possible that you accept Jesus Christ (real name Yeoshua ben Yoseph) as the son of god, when Mithra predates Jesus by hundreds of years.
The story of Jesus was obviously plagiarized from Mithra since it is almost exactly the same story!!
If I wrote a book today & had it published & then you came along years later with a book that resembles my book to the degree that the story of Jesus resembles the story of Mithra everyone would realize that your book was plagiarized but some how christians are willing to overlook this truth when it come to Jesus.... Very interesting!

Here, let me help in another way.

Mithra & Jesus were both:

1) Called The Truth, The Light, The way,
2) Born Dec 25th
3) visited by 3 wisemen
4) died on a cross
5) had 12 disciples
6) had a last supper
7) laid in a rock tomb after death
8) ascended into heaven
9) born of a virgin
10) reborn 3 days after their death
11) intermediaries between God & man
12) Healers
Etc etc etc.

BTW- I'm 46yrs old "Dude" & I probably read the bible from cover to cover more times than you by the time that I was 17 yrs old. I used to be one of the sheep being herded by the wolves!!
Oh, and regarding the 2nd set of Ten Commandments that you admit to knowing nothing about I suggest that you google it- google is your friend since you obviously haven't read your bible in awhile 7 probably can't find it!!
 

tripleD

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Dude, you are looking at the bible as you are living in this current time as opposed to living in a time where slavery was normal (sometimes the bible uses slaves for workers such as in ephesians 6:5 and 1 Peter 2:1 8 . You must factor in other laws god had such as the year of jubilee where all debts were forgiven and "slaves" were no long indebted. They were able to go home, had sabbath's off, etc. Slavery ain't what it used to be.

There is only 1 set of ten commandments...so I'm not sure where you're getting this second set of commandments from. One more thing, the book is spiritual so you have to come out of your carnal mind and look deeper into the meaning of what god was trying to teach through the law.

Organized religion? Where do you find this? Every church i've studied with has been so disorganized and contradictory to each other it's hard to keep track. They all have their own book or parts of the book they skip over and ignore to push their prerogative. Don't judge the Bible by the churches...God said his children would be a small flock not a big bunch of pew potatoes.

I suggest you try studying the book every day for a year, do a chapter or two a day...with an open mind. Then let me know what god told you. It's a lifelong study to learn the word of god, not a quick assertion of knowing it all before trying it out for yourself.
Oh & just so we're clear....You do not deny however that you worship a god that was in favor of Slavery, seduction/rape of virgins, and who ordered Joshua to kill INNOCENT children, women & even harmless animals? And you worship a fallible god that admitted that he was sorry for creating man & who also admitted that he repent



Good Luck with all of that...
 
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