What am I doing wrong (yield issue)?

wow this thread got cluster fucked fast ... but for the record .. i only do organic soil grows .. and my tap water comes from the tap @ 800 to 900 ppm tds ... fo yea i use RO and calmag ... oh and yea i pay like 20 a quart at my local hydro shop .. but its works very well for what i do ......

nomofatum said:

Checked my nutes (MaxiGro), lol has Calcium Sulfate and Magnesium Sulfate in it.

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What's so funny about that?

nomofatum said:

It has chlorine for a few hours, but the chlorine quickly evaporates. If you are worried, do as the previous poster said, leave you water out for 24 hours before use with an airstone bubbling the water.

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Ummm the majority of municipal water had chloramine in it. You can bubble it for a month but until you break that ammonia and chlorine bond...the chloramine isn't going anywhere.

It's not the water, it's the fact that your not doing anything to learn to grow better. Using AN, mixing per the directions? Come on bro, create a grow notebook and start researching shit.

legallyflying said:

Ummm the majority of municipal water had chloramine in it. You can bubble it for a month but until you break that ammonia and chlorine bond...the chloramine isn't going anywhere.

It's not the water, it's the fact that your not doing anything to learn to grow better. Using AN, mixing per the directions? Come on bro, create a grow notebook and start researching shit.

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Are we up to most now? Not many in my area yet. I assume a carbon filter still works on that stuff right?

Well I know that most of the major municipalities use it anyways because it is much more stable than chlorine.

A carbon filter CAN remove it but you need to run a KDF carbon filter..a couple of them in a row if your moving much water.

It's not a big deal though...out DWC plants are fine without removing it. We add benies to ward off the nasties

nomofatum said:

It has chlorine for a few hours, but the chlorine quickly evaporates. If you are worried, do as the previous poster said, leave you water out for 24 hours before use with an airstone bubbling the water.

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yea 24-48 to be exact... also if u have a RO sytem hooked up to ur kitchen sink ud be fine

legallyflying said:

Ummm the majority of municipal water had chloramine in it. You can bubble it for a month but until you break that ammonia and chlorine bond...the chloramine isn't going anywhere.

It's not the water, it's the fact that your not doing anything to learn to grow better. Using AN, mixing per the directions? Come on bro, create a grow notebook and start researching shit.

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Go to a pet store and go to the fish section. They sell stuff that removes chlorine and chloramine from tap water.
http://www.amazon.com/API-Tap-Water-Conditioner-16-Ounce/dp/B004LO9KSY/ref=sr_1_1?s=pet-supplies&ie=UTF8&qid=1418900541&sr=1-1&keywords=water+conditioner

sulfa helps uptake of pk

I`m trying potassium sulphate during flush instead of the carbs or mono potassium phosphate I`d normally use

Sulphate must also be used by the plant to make terpenoids right ?

Nullis said:

What's so funny about that?

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Sounds like I do have personal experience using my variation, it works great, lol.

Lol. Okay. Lol. Except that... you didn't mix that formula yourself to use as a calmag supplement. It's a complete fertilizer that includes calcium and magnesium.

You really have no idea how much calcium sulphate or magnesium sulphate they put in that product. It might be good as a base nutrient for what you're doing, but remember plants have different needs and they probably didn't make that product specifically for Cannabis.

Also, like I said in a previous post, these nutrient companies have their formulas down to an exact science. There are such things as solubility enhancers which they would be aware of and know how to incorporate in their products to get them to perform as advertised.

So your nutrient having these ingredients isn't anything like you attempting to mix epsom salt and gypsum together in water for a DIY calmag product.

Nullis said:

Lol. Okay. Lol. Except that... you didn't mix that formula yourself to use as a calmag supplement. It's a complete fertilizer that includes calcium and magnesium.

You really have no idea how much calcium sulphate or magnesium sulphate they put in that product. It might be good as a base nutrient for what you're doing, but remember plants have different needs and they probably didn't make that product specifically for Cannabis.

Also, like I said in a previous post, these nutrient companies have their formulas down to an exact science. There are such things as solubility enhancers which they would be aware of and know how to incorporate in their products to get them to perform as advertised.

So your nutrient having these ingredients isn't anything like you attempting to mix epsom salt and gypsum together in water for a DIY calmag product.

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Oh god, you use AN don't you?

Go read some of my posts before you insult me you jackass (not attacking you, I love you).

nomofatum said:

You spent multiple times what you needed to on a product, that is enough to make you a sucker in my book.

Either option gets you the same results, except the extra cash in your pocket.

I'm not trying to be mean, just driven nuts by seeing that same bad decision (imho) repeated over and over and over on here.

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This is spot on, im a newer grower and ive asked and seen others ask about deficiencies, 3/4ths always say calmag lol that product can cause a heck of a lot of problems, problem was ph and was told calmag, beware it is very acidic, tore my plant up. Lets be real as well, how many ppl have cal and mag problems at the exact same time? And need an even amount to fix? I swear the owner of calmag posts here to make money, im a sucker for buying that shit i won't get offended about it like the other guy, we need more ppl telling the real problems and not stating calmag 9 times out of ten, its either just cal or mag lol u calmag enthusiasts go on somewhere, real growers dont use all that BS, little old ladies growing amazing crops don't know what calmag is or half of the other products out. Im a noob at this and I can tell you my noobie brethren are making people a lot of money lol I still cant believe ppl use bottled watered either

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jpizzle4shizzle said:

This is spot on, im a newer grower and ive asked and seen others ask about deficiencies, 3/4ths always say calmag lol that product can cause a heck of a lot of problems, problem was ph and was told calmag, beware it is very acidic, tore my plant up. Lets be real as well, how many ppl have cal and mag problems at the exact same time? And need an even amount to fix? I swear the owner of calmag posts here to make money, im a sucker for buying that shit i won't get offended about it like the other guy, we need more ppl telling the real problems and not stating calmag 9 times out of ten, its either just cal or mag lol u calmag enthusiasts go on somewhere, real growers dont use all that BS, little old ladies growing amazing crops don't know what calmag is or half of the other products out. Im a noob at this and I can tell you my noobie brethren are making people a lot of money lol I still cant believe ppl use bottled watered either

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Calmag and tents, my two biggest pet peeves. Nothing against tents, but they aren't the best solution every time, arguably not even the best solution most of the time, but it is the recommended/taken solution I see here in 3/4's of new grow room designs. I think about 1/4 of new grow rooms designs are actually best served with a tent.

nomofatum said:

Calmag and tents, my two biggest pet peeves. Nothing against tents, but they aren't the best solution every time, arguably not even the best solution most of the time, but it is the recommended/taken solution I see here in 3/4's of new grow room designs. I think about 1/4 of new grow rooms designs are actually best served with a tent.

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Funny how you brought up tents, my buddy bought one and his first crop hermied cause some of the velcro didn't stay shut and let light through. I was thinking about getting one but I will stay with the stealth cab I built until I can find a way to dial in a room. Im finding out the environment around the plants, are an overlooked aspect of growing. Im pondering how much the environment has to do with smell, I have little to none and have read its good and bad. I have read as much as I can but still not enough, but I wonder how much environmental stress on the plant correlates with smell in flowering and vegetation?

I know that my plants only smell in when stressed, but im not too experienced with too many strains so I could have just been lucky to get 4 plants with no smell. I have a critical kush, that's been on 12/12 almost two weeks and is now flowering so I guess that can decide.... But does anybody have any clearcut info confirming stress leads to stinky plants? Maybe that can answer why most indoor i get doesn't have as much odor as outdoor

Tap water fine if out 24Hrs without a cap on the jug. Check the water's P.H. it should be approx. 6.5, I use Fox Farm potting soil and nutrients. Have no problems each plant 3 to 3.5 ounces indoor

jpizzle4shizzle said:

This is spot on, im a newer grower and ive asked and seen others ask about deficiencies, 3/4ths always say calmag lol that product can cause a heck of a lot of problems, problem was ph and was told calmag, beware it is very acidic, tore my plant up. Lets be real as well, how many ppl have cal and mag problems at the exact same time? And need an even amount to fix? I swear the owner of calmag posts here to make money, im a sucker for buying that shit i won't get offended about it like the other guy, we need more ppl telling the real problems and not stating calmag 9 times out of ten, its either just cal or mag lol u calmag enthusiasts go on somewhere, real growers dont use all that BS, little old ladies growing amazing crops don't know what calmag is or half of the other products out. Im a noob at this and I can tell you my noobie brethren are making people a lot of money lol I still cant believe ppl use bottled watered either

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People who grow in soil/potting mix that they limed or that contains sufficient lime (calcite, dolomite or oyster/egg shell) don't usually need it. People who are using hard tap (150-250 ppm) or well water don't typically need it. The tap water in many regions basically already has lime dissolved in it. That includes calcium, magnesium and other minerals.

Otherwise, if you use a nutrient that already contains Ca and Mg (many don't) you might not really need it either.

The reason why Ca and Mg are often found together is they are both 'secondary nutrients'. Since the early 1900's there has been speculation and debate about an 'ideal' Ca/Mg ratio for field crop production. Really, as long as both are available it probably doesn't matter so much. It just so happens that Ca and Mg are often lacking in certain scenarios indoors (coir-based media especially).

You know what irks me is when people get irked over certain "keywords" (e.g. "tent", "cal-mag") that they "don't like" over the internet, because their narrow perspective precludes them from seeing beyond their very strong personal opinions about what they feel is ideal or right for other people whom they know literally next to nothing about.

jpizzle4shizzle said:

Funny how you brought up tents, my buddy bought one and his first crop hermied cause some of the velcro didn't stay shut and let light through. I was thinking about getting one but I will stay with the stealth cab I built until I can find a way to dial in a room. Im finding out the environment around the plants, are an overlooked aspect of growing. Im pondering how much the environment has to do with smell, I have little to none and have read its good and bad. I have read as much as I can but still not enough, but I wonder how much environmental stress on the plant correlates with smell in flowering and vegetation?

I know that my plants only smell in when stressed, but im not too experienced with too many strains so I could have just been lucky to get 4 plants with no smell. I have a critical kush, that's been on 12/12 almost two weeks and is now flowering so I guess that can decide.... But does anybody have any clearcut info confirming stress leads to stinky plants? Maybe that can answer why most indoor i get doesn't have as much odor as outdoor

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Everytime I try and explain this I get trolled so not gonna do it but you are correct, you can tweak the garden for no smell, I've been growing many years and I have never owned a scrubber

Geez....making feel bad about buying calmag.

But then again, my Cindy 99 loves mag and loves calmag. She's happy, I'm happy, my wallet is Definately happy.

legallyflying said:

Geez....making feel bad about buying calmag.

But then again, my Cindy 99 loves mag and loves calmag. She's happy, I'm happy, my wallet is Definately happy.

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That's all that matters man, some ppl are just poor and calmag isn't very cheap. But yeah the hatred is more directed to the people who think calmag is always the answer, like it just cant be cal or mag lol

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