Welp... Got some kind of outdoor pests or some kind of deficiency already..

So, been noticing these what looks like "dried snot" on the tips of certain leaves. All lower leaves of course, but it's concerning me as it really reminds me of spider mites... Now, I'm not thinking it's mites, at least not yet, but I know this isn't normal.. Maybe something like thripes? Or a copper deficiency?? Not sure, but this pic here is of 1 of the leaves, it looks like dried snot. I tried licking my fingers and wiping it away, but it's not any type of dust or powder, it's literally inside within the leaf. Never seen anything like this... Any help is greatly appreciated, thanks.

I am thinking this could be a copper deficiency due to me watering straight from the hose with no PHing. I this morning watered for the first time with half strength veg nutes, PHed at 6.0. I hope this will fix it, but what do you all think? I will PH my water from now on, didn't think it'd really matter since it was outdoor, I felt my soil, the Lime in it would neutralize it to 6.0, guess not.. I've yet to check the runoff..

Also wanted to specify, that underneath the laves looks super healthy, not signs of pests or powder of any kind... Any advice is greatly appreciated, thanks.

its thrips I have a friend that has had problems with these for years

yeah thrips for sure. get some captain jack dead bug. shit works awesome on them and its not that expensive. spray once every 5 days or so for thrips. lifecycle is 10-14 days for them so they're quite easy to get rid of.

For sure, so it's for sure thripes?? I knew it was either that or a PH imbalance, or both... Any other takers? Or is that what this is here? Any advice as to get rid of them? I can as always google it, but want to get some perspectives from the beloved members of rollitup. I have never encountered thripes before, I just know of them. Again, any help is greatly appreciated, thanks.

Monterey with spinosade kicks thrips asses.

act swiftly they can be real hard to get rid of if you are not viligent

BWG707 said:

Monterey with spinosade kicks thrips asses.

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What is this??

And will do, I'll act tomorrow I had no idea it was going to be a battle such as mites. Can I get rid if these? Or is it like mites where it's more so just keeping it from spreading worse.. I still have about a month of veg before they start to flower, I badly need to get them under control before then. I'll get some nematodes for the soil and some neem oil. However, I'm curious, wil this be a never ending battle?? I mean ya use neem oil for 2 weeks, but then what?? They will come back eventually right?? So must I neem, them wait did them to return and repeat? I mean if that's what it is so be it, just concerned of using neem oil when flowering... Or any kind of foliage spray for that matter.

ÉsÇ420PoT™ said:

What is this??

And will do, I'll act tomorrow I had no idea it was going to be a battle such as mites. Can I get rid if these? Or is it like mites where it's more so just keeping it from spreading worse.. I still have about a month of veg before they start to flower, I badly need to get them under control before then. I'll get some nematodes for the soil and some neem oil. However, I'm curious, wil this be a never ending battle?? I mean ya use neem oil for 2 weeks, but then what?? They will come back eventually right?? So must I neem, them wait did them to return and repeat? I mean if that's what it is so be it, just concerned of using neem oil when flowering... Or any kind of foliage spray for that matter.

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It's a pest spray. The brand name is Monterey. Google it, it works great for thrips. GL

For sure, thanks. Although I'm just going to go nematodes and Neem Oil route. Thanks for the insight yall! I really appreciate it!
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Although I do want this questions answered please?

Can I get rid if these? Or is it like mites where it's more so just keeping it from spreading worse.. I still have about a month of veg before they start to flower, I badly need to get them under control before then. I'll get some nematodes for the soil and some neem oil. However, I'm curious, wil this be a never ending battle?? I mean ya use neem oil for 2 weeks, but then what?? They will come back eventually right?? So must I neem oil and nematodes, then wait for them to return and repeat? I mean if that's what it is so be it, just concerned of using neem oil when flowering... Or any kind of foliage spray for that matter.

ÉsÇ420PoT™ said:

Although I do want this questions answered please?

Can I get rid if these? Or is it like mites where it's more so just keeping it from spreading worse.. I still have about a month of veg before they start to flower, I badly need to get them under control before then. I'll get some nematodes for the soil and some neem oil. However, I'm curious, wil this be a never ending battle?? I mean ya use neem oil for 2 weeks, but then what?? They will come back eventually right?? So must I neem oil and nematodes, then wait for them to return and repeat? I mean if that's what it is so be it, just concerned of using neem oil when flowering... Or any kind of foliage spray for that matter.

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YES. thrips are so easy to get rid of compared to mites. mites i just say fuck it, take cuts of the strains i want to save, dip them all in a treatment and stick them in the cloner and continue to treat. it always works for me (well the 2 times i've ever had to do it in 5 years). the thrips are much easier to deal with as they do not harm your harvest at all (they just like the big sappy fan leaves) and once you get them down to few in number they pretty much aren't hurting a thing. then they'll just be gone eventually so keep treating.

the main problem with the thrips is the pooping on the leaves. this prevent the leaf from being able to photosynthesize and kills the leaves. so when you have a lot of thrips there's a lot of poop!

nematodes will almost get rid of them on their own
most thrip eggs fall into the soil so you can spary all you want its not going to kill the eggs/larva
I use castle soap to kill the adults on the plant

hells canyon genetics said:

nematodes will almost get rid of them on their own
most thrip eggs fall into the soil so you can spary all you want its not going to kill the eggs/larva
I use castle soap to kill the adults on the plant

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Yes I'm aware the neem wont get the ones in the soil, If nematodes will do this on their own, then I probably wont even use neem oil then. So with that said, I was aware that the eggs and whatnot fall into the soil, hence why I was asking are these nematodes only for foliage? or do I spray the foliage and as well water the plant with them?
And, Do I need to apply this constantly? For example, lets say 2 weeks go by, thripes are gone. Do I continue to use the nematodes to ensure they stay away? Or do I just leave as is until I start to see issues and then re apply? The main reason I ask this, Is I'm afraid of them coming back during flowering, to where I cant spray them... You know? Thanks.
With all do respect, I'm at this point more so seeking advice from someone who actually uses nematodes... And what they'd do for this type of situation, thanks.

I try to have nematodes in my soil at all times im all organic so they usually stay pretty happy unless I let my soil get super dry
im also indoor and if I see somthing atacking my plants ill release predator bugs , preadator mites, ladybugs exc witch can still be done outside they will just leave once all of the bugs/food is gone

so if you dont add somthing with heavy salts or acids and dont let your soil dry out real bad there should be no need to re apply nematodes and if you have healthy nematodes your chances of thrips comming back are slim

oh so the nematoads stay? I was under the impression after a week or so they would die or leave something of that nature. So your saying that every time I water I should have nematoads mixed in? Also, I get that this would keep the soil healthy, but what about the rest of the plant? Does it work as in, if they are in the soil, the whole plant is protected? I again, am lead to believe that it will only protect the soil, as that is were they dwell. Also, Obviously if being in the soil is good enough than that as well answers this next question, but what about the foliage? What if the foliage needs to be sprayed but its during flowering? Thanks so much for your help, I really appreciate it. better yet, if you wouldn't mind maybe breaking down the process in how you do it step by step as I can fully understand. Thanks

Get a scope and look under the leaves. Looks more like mites to me

I buy my nenatodes online I have them shiped over night in the warm months (if its winter I just standard ship) they come in vermiculite or somthing similar I stir up the container and put a tablespoon or 2 in each plants root zone I water before and after applying the nematodes

nematodes only protect the soil for the foliage I use predator bugs like lady bugs, preadator mites, praying mantis exc there are several others just google thrip predators and decide if you want to go that way preadator bugs can stay around to protect your foliage for a long time in good conditions

for a thrip spray I use the safers end all with the egg killer its OMRI and it kicks buggs ass kils their eggs so your not battleing these things for ever I spray It week one

week 2 I spray neem

week 3 I use castle soap mixed 1 teaspoon per gal of water

I have nematodes and lady bugs in my garden at all times and I very rarely get bugs I always go to the preadator bugs before a spray

70sdiver said:

Get a scope and look under the leaves. Looks more like mites to me

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That's the first thing I did when I saw this first occurring on my leaves, I mentioned in an earlier post that there is no powdery or insect stuff underneath the leaves, and that the underneath part looks very healthy. Its not mites, Ive had mites in the past and its 100% not them. I thought thats what it was at first, but its thripes. Regardless, these nematodes get rid of both...

hells canyon genetics said:

I buy my nenatodes online I have them shiped over night in the warm months (if its winter I just standard ship) they come in vermiculite or somthing similar I stir up the container and put a tablespoon or 2 in each plants root zone I water before and after applying the nematodes

nematodes only protect the soil for the foliage I use predator bugs like lady bugs, preadator mites, praying mantis exc there are several others just google thrip predators and decide if you want to go that way preadator bugs can stay around to protect your foliage for a long time in good conditions

for a thrip spray I use the safers end all with the egg killer its OMRI and it kicks buggs ass kils their eggs so your not battleing these things for ever I spray It week one

week 2 I spray neem

week 3 I use castle soap mixed 1 teaspoon per gal of water

I have nematodes and lady bugs in my garden at all times and I very rarely get bugs I always go to the preadator bugs before a spray

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Ah see that figured correct... Ok so nematoads for soil. What about just using the toads as foliage spray? Regardless I have a good product I love to use for mites and stuff like this for the foliage and its organic "Neem oil" however, I got lady bugs so far, but I will look more as to what other insects I can get that will actually stay for longer than a few weeks.

So what to do when they start to flower? I obviously cant foliage spray.. Would I have no choice but to just rely on predator insects at that point and nematodes in the soil?

here is a link to the ones I bought.
Click here for my nematodes

Can you please explain to me how this would work? For my 30 plants, I would just empty this entire thing into the water/soil and use on each plant? Then what? That's it? How long will they stay in there for? Or do I need to buy nematodes every few weeks and add while watering?

Also I am a bit concerned at this point as its been really hot, and my toads are taking 6 days to get to me... Are they going to even be alive? And how can I tell if they are?
Thanks again man, this is all very, very helpful!

70sdiver said:

Get a scope and look under the leaves. Looks more like mites to me

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YES, I agree, if that's thrips, you got TONS of them.
looks like mites to me too..
those fuckers...
but if you looked underneath and there isn't mites... that's a damn good infestation of thrips..
your soil crawling with them?
Dump a inch layer of horticultural sand on top, or DE.
another thing to add is they HATE airflow, get a good recirculating fan in there also.