Weird wrinkling of leaves

jensenbeach1

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I foliar sprayed at about 170-200 (cant remember) epsom salt yesterday. And today with a 200 ppm foliar of iron/zinc. This has been my go to in the past and seems to snap out of it. Im not sure if its unneeded stress or something I need to resolve in the soil whether it ph, etc. Do you experience this in any of your top growth John?
 

JohnDoeTho

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Well the first thing they are going to do is tell you to test PH of your soil. Fungus or nats can cause that too.
 

jensenbeach1

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I have one we actually had a bluelab but I thought it was faulty and just bought another recently and have been using it regularly now. Ive had a member on here tell me its not important for soil..im still going to ph my water though lol I just feel like you should try to make everything as proper as you can. Id hope to get some clarity on that though as not ph'ing for soil would save me a good amount of time. Temps have been almost into hundreds lately our ac really isnt strong enough rooms been going up to 81-82...kinda bothers me looking into mini splits atm. I attended Oaksterdam and they said over 80 plants stop growing...that has been my thought but if thats so how do plants grow outdoors in 90-100+ temps? Is it because of cool winds? Two questions I need to look more into.
 

jensenbeach1

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I mainly have hydro literature but take a look at this, your range will be different.
Yea ive looked at a few ph nutrient uptake charts hydro can go a little lower than soil it says. But im not sure if that is stating the medium has to be in that range or the nutrient solution. In hydro you have a neutral ph medium until you add the nutrients at given levels, unless you have buildup. They say soil has buffers which would make sense because the organisms really feed the plant unless I start using Maxibloom which I intend on doing with maybe compost teas/fish fertilizers in between to keep the soil somewhat alive. Im not entirely sure but my understanding is if you use synthetic purely you never give bacteria anything to eat because its already converted into plant ready form. So im hoping a good mix of the two should keep things balanced out. I wish I understood soil like some of the members on here haha
 

Bugeye

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Young indica plants often have wrinkly leaves like yours that flatten out when the reach their final huge size. Watch for a sharp curl at leaf tip, this is the plant telling you it is over fed, often nitrogen. Can't tell for sure from your top down shots but looks a little like you might have some claws.
 

Bugeye

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I have one we actually had a bluelab but I thought it was faulty and just bought another recently and have been using it regularly now. Ive had a member on here tell me its not important for soil..im still going to ph my water though lol I just feel like you should try to make everything as proper as you can. Id hope to get some clarity on that though as not ph'ing for soil would save me a good amount of time. Temps have been almost into hundreds lately our ac really isnt strong enough rooms been going up to 81-82...kinda bothers me looking into mini splits atm. I attended Oaksterdam and they said over 80 plants stop growing...that has been my thought but if thats so how do plants grow outdoors in 90-100+ temps? Is it because of cool winds? Two questions I need to look more into.
Outdoors you have unbeatable ventilation and plenty of co2, the indoor temp ranges absolutely do not apply. You may need to water every day as they get bigger, another indoor only watering guideline that does not apply outdoors. You can keep a plant alive in 120+ temps if she has enough water, although growth rates will slow.
 

Bugeye

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Listen to a guy like this ^ not me. I do think there is some importance in your soil ph though. I would agree that it is probably much more important in hydro.
Soil ph is critical. You don't need to worry about nute ph or water ph if your soil ph is good.
 

JohnDoeTho

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Outdoors you have unbeatable ventilation and plenty of co2, the indoor temp ranges absolutely do not apply. You may need to water every day as they get bigger, another indoor only watering guideline that does not apply outdoors. You can keep a plant alive in 120+ temps if she has enough water, although growth rates will slow.
See now you just make it sound like so
Much fun! Hehe
 

Bugeye

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Yea ive looked at a few ph nutrient uptake charts hydro can go a little lower than soil it says. But im not sure if that is stating the medium has to be in that range or the nutrient solution. In hydro you have a neutral ph medium until you add the nutrients at given levels, unless you have buildup. They say soil has buffers which would make sense because the organisms really feed the plant unless I start using Maxibloom which I intend on doing with maybe compost teas/fish fertilizers in between to keep the soil somewhat alive. Im not entirely sure but my understanding is if you use synthetic purely you never give bacteria anything to eat because its already converted into plant ready form. So im hoping a good mix of the two should keep things balanced out. I wish I understood soil like some of the members on here haha
Get a copy of Teaming with Microbes, you'll be amazed what goes on in soil!
 

jensenbeach1

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Young indica plants often have wrinkly leaves like yours that flatten out when the reach their final huge size. Watch for a sharp curl at leaf tip, this is the plant telling you it is over fed, often nitrogen. Can't tell for sure from your top down shots but looks a little like you might have some claws.
I do have the claw on a few plants from nitrogen you are right we have been figuring out ratios of iur blend brought them to 75% wanted to get them ready for 100 outdoors they were in 25 percent our soil and promix when seedlings. We placed a seed in 100 with no claw some plants reacted differently. Hard to individualize feedings for 15 strains still have more to get haha
 

Bugeye

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I do have the claw on a few plants from nitrogen you are right we have been figuring out ratios of iur blend brought them to 75% wanted to get them ready for 100 outdoors they were in 25 percent our soil and promix when seedlings. We placed a seed in 100 with no claw some plants reacted differently. Hard to individualize feedings for 15 strains still have more to get haha
Just go water only on the ones clawing until the new growth starts coming in with flat leaves. The plant getting bigger will make it able to tolerate a higher nute level so just grow through it and begin feeding again when it needs it. Happens to some of mine and I'm always concerned the soil is too hot, but it all works out.
 

jensenbeach1

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Soil ph is critical. You don't need to worry about nute ph or water ph if your soil ph is good.
Yea I sent my soil into a lab for analysis, the lady knew I wasnt growing an acre of tomatoes haha. Waiting for results hoping its not out of range im planning on planting here in the next week or so. Bugeye how do you feel about the Maxibloom 1tsp formula for growing in soil? I plan on using a compost tea or my homemade fish fertilizer in between to feed the soil. I am growing on a pretty large scale grow and am looking for a cheap but effective granular fertilizer for my plants
 

Bugeye

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Yea I sent my soil into a lab for analysis, the lady knew I wasnt growing an acre of tomatoes haha. Waiting for results hoping its not out of range im planning on planting here in the next week or so. Bugeye how do you feel about the Maxibloom 1tsp formula for growing in soil? I plan on using a compost tea or my homemade fish fertilizer in between to feed the soil. I am growing on a pretty large scale grow and am looking for a cheap but effective granular fertilizer for my plants
Inoculate your root balls with myco fungi at transplant, makes them much easier to grow if the myco get established. I've done teas as often as every couple weeks but more lately I only do a few each season. I don't know anything about the Maxibloom so can't comment. Go off your soil report! Good job running one! It will tell you what you need! You may not need much at all.
 

Bugeye

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Yea I sent my soil into a lab for analysis, the lady knew I wasnt growing an acre of tomatoes haha. Waiting for results hoping its not out of range im planning on planting here in the next week or so. Bugeye how do you feel about the Maxibloom 1tsp formula for growing in soil? I plan on using a compost tea or my homemade fish fertilizer in between to feed the soil. I am growing on a pretty large scale grow and am looking for a cheap but effective granular fertilizer for my plants
I don't think I've used fish fertilizer outdoors, but I did have trouble with blood and bone meal that drew in some critters to dig up root balls looking for food. Another outdoor consideration!
 

jensenbeach1

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I don't think I've used fish fertilizer outdoors, but I did have trouble with blood and bone meal that drew in some critters to dig up root balls looking for food. Another outdoor consideration!
I made a batch of lactobacillus not sure if youve heard of it its an odor eliminizer also a chelator. I threw it in with the fertilizer it smells like nothing maybe a little vinegar. Do you do a super soil that gets you through flower? The company we purchased bulk soil from said we would need to feed after a month in the soil one said 2 months.
 

jensenbeach1

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So compost teas are more for just adding to the soil every so often. We were considering water maxibloom compost in that order. Not sure it the compost will be too heavy for them. Do you follow any special recipe or just brew some compost?
 
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