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rob333

rob333

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been seeing this add on rollitup for weedbulbs any1 used them yet are they any good was looking at getting a couple of bulbs for my old man so he can do a plant or 2 indoors
 
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WeedBulbs.... I designed and now manufacture them. The phosphor mixtures used in our current 5 lamp models are based on solid science... and we are getting 5 star reviews on Amazon.

mr sunshine said:
Weed bulbs, lol... just flush and defoliate already bro..
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It is very unlikely that Mr. Sunshine has even seen a WeedBulb.

mr sunshine said:
Get him a 400 watt hps for the winter and the ufo for the summer.
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When it comes to delivering "usable" PAR per watt, HPS is a joke... incorrect balance of spectrum, not enough blue light and way too much heat.
However, if you insist on using HPS... our PowerBLUE lamp is designed to augment HPS with blue light...
http://www.amazon.com/PowerBLUE/dp/B00YELLHP8

rob333 said:
been seeing this add on rollitup for weedbulbs any1 used them yet are they any good was looking at getting a couple of bulbs for my old man so he can do a plant or 2 indoors
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You will need more than a couple of bulbs. My recommended range is 1 to 2 lamps per square foot. As a minimum for healthy growth in most plants, use 1 lamp per square foot... so 24 would cover 24 sq ft. For most efficient growth with most plants, use 1.5 lamps per square foot ... so 24 would cover 16 sq ft. For better yield, use 2 lamps per square foot... so 24 would cover 12 sq ft. Even more light can be used with crops like cannabis, but with diminishing returns... some commercial cannabis growers that are not concerned with efficiency use an equivalent of 4 lamps per sq ft ... so 24 would cover 6 sq ft.
My recommendation for growing cannabis is to start with 1.5 lamps per sq ft and then add more later if you are not achieving the results you seek.

There are 3 main lamp models to choose from:
• PowerMAX's phosphor mix is designed for the full plant cycle (veg and flower) and works best when on a budget.
• VeggieMAX will have advantage of faster/quicker vegetative growth.
• FlowerPOWER will have an advantage during the flower production cycle.

Dual Stage - If using VeggieMAX during veggie stage and FlowerPOWER during the flowering stage, slowly change the bulbs over a period of several days to allow the plant to adjust to the change.

Single Stage - All three (PowerMAX, VeggieMAX and FlowerPOWER) have a sufficient light spectrum for healthy plant growth, so can also be used as single stage grow lights for plant growth... some variety of plants will respond better to the various spectrums.

WeedBulbs vs HPS
If you want to do a test of equal watts of WeedBulbs and HPS, I will guarantee that you will get more weed from any combination of PowerMAX, VeggieMAX and/or FlowerPOWER versus HPS or your money back.

WeedBulbs vs Standard White Light CFL
If you want to do a test of equal watts of WeedBulbs and standard white light CFL, I will guarantee that you will get more weed from any combination of PowerMAX, VeggieMAX and/or FlowerPOWER versus standard white light CFL or your money back.

WeedBulbs vs LED
Yes, LED is a little more efficient in terms of PAR per watt... but the cost of LED is crazy for the closet grower. If you want to do a closet grow test of equal dollars of WeedBulbs and LED... including electricity over a one year period, I will guarantee that you will get more weed per dollar spent from any combination of PowerMAX, VeggieMAX and/or FlowerPOWER versus LED or your money back.
 
mr sunshine

mr sunshine

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WeedBulbs said:
WeedBulbs.... I designed and now manufacture them. The phosphor mixtures used in our current 5 lamp models are based on solid science... and we are getting 5 star reviews on Amazon.


It is very unlikely that Mr. Sunshine has even seen a WeedBulb.


When it comes to delivering "usable" PAR per watt, HPS is a joke... incorrect balance of spectrum, not enough blue light and way too much heat.
However, if you insist on using HPS... our PowerBLUE lamp is designed to augment HPS with blue light...
http://www.amazon.com/PowerBLUE/dp/B00YELLHP8


You will need more than a couple of bulbs. My recommended range is 1 to 2 lamps per square foot. As a minimum for healthy growth in most plants, use 1 lamp per square foot... so 24 would cover 24 sq ft. For most efficient growth with most plants, use 1.5 lamps per square foot ... so 24 would cover 16 sq ft. For better yield, use 2 lamps per square foot... so 24 would cover 12 sq ft. Even more light can be used with crops like cannabis, but with diminishing returns... some commercial cannabis growers that are not concerned with efficiency use an equivalent of 4 lamps per sq ft ... so 24 would cover 6 sq ft.
My recommendation for growing cannabis is to start with 1.5 lamps per sq ft and then add more later if you are not achieving the results you seek.

There are 3 main lamp models to choose from:
• PowerMAX's phosphor mix is designed for the full plant cycle (veg and flower) and works best when on a budget.
• VeggieMAX will have advantage of faster/quicker vegetative growth.
• FlowerPOWER will have an advantage during the flower production cycle.

Dual Stage - If using VeggieMAX during veggie stage and FlowerPOWER during the flowering stage, slowly change the bulbs over a period of several days to allow the plant to adjust to the change.

Single Stage - All three (PowerMAX, VeggieMAX and FlowerPOWER) have a sufficient light spectrum for healthy plant growth, so can also be used as single stage grow lights for plant growth... some variety of plants will respond better to the various spectrums.

WeedBulbs vs HPS
If you want to do a test of equal watts of WeedBulbs and HPS, I will guarantee that you will get more weed from any combination of PowerMAX, VeggieMAX and/or FlowerPOWER versus HPS or your money back.

WeedBulbs vs Standard White Light CFL
If you want to do a test of equal watts of WeedBulbs and standard white light CFL, I will guarantee that you will get more weed from any combination of PowerMAX, VeggieMAX and/or FlowerPOWER versus standard white light CFL or your money back.

WeedBulbs vs LED
Yes, LED is a little more efficient in terms of PAR per watt... but the cost of LED is crazy for the closet grower. If you want to do a closet grow test of equal dollars of WeedBulbs and LED... including electricity over a one year period, I will guarantee that you will get more weed per dollar spent from any combination of PowerMAX, VeggieMAX and/or FlowerPOWER versus LED or your money back.
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So your saying a cfl can produce more weed then a hps? How many different bulbs does one have to buy to get these results?
 
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mr sunshine said:
So your saying a cfl can produce more weed then a hps?
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Yes, but not just any CFL... a targeted spectrum CFL such as WeedBulbs.
To understand why, you need to understand that HPS is really a street lamp designed to put out an intense amount of lumens... about 6 times the equivalent wattage incandescent. Similarly, it puts out a lot of PAR... but even PAR is not very good for measuring how plants utilize photons. The biggest problem with PAR measurements is that all light between 400 and 700nm is given equal weighting, but if the spectrum has more than 24% green light then plants ignore amount above that percentage... this is the reason most plants appear green in sunlight.

HPS has these major problems:
  • Too much green which is the spectrum between 491nm and 576nm. Above 24% green light is rejected by plants.
  • Too little blue which is the spectrum between 380nm and 490nm. Plants need about 8% blue to keep them from "stretching" to reach the light.
  • Too much infrared above 740nm. This is observed as heat and is the reason why cooling must always be considered when using HPS.
Standard white light CFL has this major problem:
  • Too much green which is the spectrum between 491nm and 576nm. Above 24% green light is rejected by plants.
WeedBulb CFL lamps eliminate the excess green light.
CFL in general has the advantage of not concentrating the light from a single point which allows more uniform distribution of light and better utilization of photons.
CFL in general has much less heat which allows placing lamps much closer... which means less reflected light and better utilization of photons.

mr sunshine said:
How many different bulbs does one have to buy to get these results?
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One or two different types of bulbs. PowerMAX, VeggieMAX and FlowerPOWER can all be used as single stage grow lights. VeggieMAX and FlowerPOWER can be used as dual stage grow lights with some advantage.

So let's say you have two 3 foot x 4 foot grow tents... one tent with a 400w HPS with a total wattage of about 440 watts; and one tent with 16 of the PowerMAX, VeggieMAX and/or FlowerPOWER lamps with a total wattage of 384 watts. So what I am guaranteeing is that the 16 WeedBulbs lamps will grow more weed than one 400w HPS in an otherwise equivalent scenario.

Just to be clear, the "sweet spot" for using the 24 watt WeedBulbs is micro-grows from 1 to about 16 square feet. For larger grows, we will be coming out with more models in the coming year.

mr sunshine said:
Aren't they like 24 watts each?
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Yes, but plants don't eat/consume watts... they consume photons. While using watts to compare grow lights is convenient, it will result in highly inaccurate comparison.
The small lamps have the further advantage of more uniform light over the grow area.

So let's say that Rob333 wanted to set up a 18" x 24" grow tent (3 sq ft) for his "old man", then one 4-pack of WeedBulbs (total 96 watts) should provide sufficient lighting for a good grow.
 
mr sunshine

mr sunshine

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WeedBulbs said:
Yes, but not just any CFL... a targeted spectrum CFL such as WeedBulbs.
To understand why, you need to understand that HPS is really a street lamp designed to put out an intense amount of lumens... about 6 times the equivalent wattage incandescent. Similarly, it puts out a lot of PAR... but even PAR is not very good for measuring how plants utilize photons. The biggest problem with PAR measurements is that all light between 400 and 700nm is given equal weighting, but if the spectrum has more than 24% green light then plants ignore amount above that percentage... this is the reason most plants appear green in sunlight.

HPS has these major problems:
  • Too much green which is the spectrum between 491nm and 576nm. Above 24% green light is rejected by plants.
  • Too little blue which is the spectrum between 380nm and 490nm. Plants need about 8% blue to keep them from "stretching" to reach the light.
  • Too much infrared above 740nm. This is observed as heat and is the reason why cooling must always be considered when using HPS.
Standard white light CFL has this major problem:
  • Too much green which is the spectrum between 491nm and 576nm. Above 24% green light is rejected by plants.
WeedBulb CFL lamps eliminate the excess green light.
CFL in general has the advantage of not concentrating the light from a single point which allows more uniform distribution of light and better utilization of photons.
CFL in general has much less heat which allows placing lamps much closer... which means less reflected light and better utilization of photons.



One or two different types of bulbs. PowerMAX, VeggieMAX and FlowerPOWER can all be used as single stage grow lights. VeggieMAX and FlowerPOWER can be used as dual stage grow lights with some advantage.

So let's say you have two 3 foot x 4 foot grow tents... one tent with a 400w HPS with a total wattage of about 440 watts; and one tent with 16 of the PowerMAX, VeggieMAX and/or FlowerPOWER lamps with a total wattage of 384 watts. So what I am guaranteeing is that the 16 WeedBulbs lamps will grow more weed than one 400w HPS in an otherwise equivalent scenario.

Just to be clear, the "sweet spot" for using the 24 watt WeedBulbs is micro-grows from 1 to about 16 square feet. For larger grows, we will be coming out with more models in the coming year.


Yes, but plants don't eat/consume watts... they consume photons. While using watts to compare grow lights is convenient, it will result in highly inaccurate comparison.
The small lamps have the further advantage of more uniform light over the grow area.

So let's say that Rob333 wanted to set up a 18" x 24" grow tent (3 sq ft) for his "old man", then one 4-pack of WeedBulbs (total 96 watts) should provide sufficient lighting for a good grow.
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CFLs don't produce as much light per watt as an HPS, so they are less efficient. Just to give you an example, if you buy 6 x 26W CFLs, you'll be using about as much electricity as a 150W HPS and you'll be producing less light.not to mention your selling 4 packs for 30 dollar's that would be over 140 bucks for 16 inefficient cfl bulbs with tint on them. I can call some of the lighting specialists to further explain if you'd like.
 
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mr sunshine said:
CFLs don't produce as much light per watt as an HPS, so they are less efficient.
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A blanket statement like that does not stand up to scrutiny. In general HPS street lights are more efficient than CFL street lights... but we are not talking about street lights. Targeted spectrum CFLs produce much more plant usable light per watt than HPS.
Think about it.... this is the reason I can offer the money back guarantee... targeted spectrum CFL is simply more efficient than HPS.
Are you going to put your money where your mouth is?

mr sunshine said:
Just to give you an example, if you buy 6 x 26W CFLs, you'll be using about as much electricity as a 150W HPS and you'll be producing less light.
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You keep trying to mix apples and oranges. You keep talking about light, but when you are growing plants... plants only care about plant usable light. Does not matter how much light (and heat) an HPS lamp produces if the plants are going to ignore most of it.
Think about it.... this is the reason I can offer the money back guarantee... targeted spectrum CFL is simply more efficient than HPS.
Are you going to put your money where your mouth is?

mr sunshine said:
you'll be producing less light.not to mention your selling 4 packs for 30 dollar's that would be over 140 bucks for 16 inefficient cfl bulbs
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Ok, let's compare cost for a 150 watt lighting solution. Basically, we are talking about enough light for a 2 ft. x 2 ft grow tent.

HPS 165
The base cost of a 150w HPS is $67. (http://www.amazon.com/Sun-System-900490-Light-Fixture/dp/B00KM1EXXW)
A 150 watt HPS uses about 165 watts when paired with a required ballast. Electric bill will be more.
You will also need to buy a much taller grow tent because HPS needs to be 30 inches above the plants... more money
You also have to deal with the heat from the HPS... this is extra money. If you have a closet grow in an air conditioned home... this will jack up your electric bill.

WEEDBULBS 144
The base cost of two of the 4 packs is ~$60. But you only will use 6 of the bulbs, so cost is ~$45.
6 of the lamps is 144 watts including ballast. Electric bill will be less.
A shorter grow tent can be used since the lamps can be placed about 9 inches above the plants... less money.
Also, less heat to deal with means lower electric bill.

And the bottom line here is that I will guaranteed the above WeedBulb system will produce more weed per watt than the HPS system.
It is easy to use the word "inefficient" when you don't know jack. Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?

mr sunshine said:
cfl bulbs with tint on them.
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You are obviously not a lighting expert. None of our bulbs have tint on them... tints block/filter light. WeedBulbs simply use highly efficient targeted spectrum phosphors.

mr sunshine said:
I can call some of the lighting specialists to further explain if you'd like.
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I am a lighting specialist and also have a degree in horticulture. So you can all the lighting specialists you know... but there is no magic that they can do to make the above described HPS lighting system grow more weed per watt than the above described WeedBulbs system.

The bottom line is that WeedBulbs are better in terms of weed per watt for a stealth closet grow than HPS... and I am willing to guarantee it.
 
mr sunshine

mr sunshine

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WeedBulbs said:
A blanket statement like that does not stand up to scrutiny. In general HPS street lights are more efficient than CFL street lights... but we are not talking about street lights. Targeted spectrum CFLs produce much more plant usable light per watt than HPS.
Think about it.... this is the reason I can offer the money back guarantee... targeted spectrum CFL is simply more efficient than HPS.
Are you going to put your money where your mouth is?


You keep trying to mix apples and oranges. You keep talking about light, but when you are growing plants... plants only care about plant usable light. Does not matter how much light (and heat) an HPS lamp produces if the plants are going to ignore most of it.
Think about it.... this is the reason I can offer the money back guarantee... targeted spectrum CFL is simply more efficient than HPS.
Are you going to put your money where your mouth is?


Ok, let's compare cost for a 150 watt lighting solution. Basically, we are talking about enough light for a 2 ft. x 2 ft grow tent.

HPS 165
The base cost of a 150w HPS is $67. (http://www.amazon.com/Sun-System-900490-Light-Fixture/dp/B00KM1EXXW)
A 150 watt HPS uses about 165 watts when paired with a required ballast. Electric bill will be more.
You will also need to buy a much taller grow tent because HPS needs to be 30 inches above the plants... more money
You also have to deal with the heat from the HPS... this is extra money. If you have a closet grow in an air conditioned home... this will jack up your electric bill.

WEEDBULBS 144
The base cost of two of the 4 packs is ~$60. But you only will use 6 of the bulbs, so cost is ~$45.
6 of the lamps is 144 watts including ballast. Electric bill will be less.
A shorter grow tent can be used since the lamps can be placed about 9 inches above the plants... less money.
Also, less heat to deal with means lower electric bill.

And the bottom line here is that I will guaranteed the above WeedBulb system will produce more weed per watt than the HPS system.
It is easy to use the word "inefficient" when you don't know jack. Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?


You are obviously not a lighting expert. None of our bulbs have tint on them... tints block/filter light. WeedBulbs simply use highly efficient targeted spectrum phosphors.


I am a lighting specialist and also have a degree in horticulture. So you can all the lighting specialists you know... but there is no magic that they can do to make the above described HPS lighting system grow more weed per watt than the above described WeedBulbs system.

The bottom line is that WeedBulbs are better in terms of weed per watt for a stealth closet grow than HPS... and I am willing to guarantee it.
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Dude you advised me to use 16 cfls instead of one 400 watt..so if I run a 1000 watt id need about 41 cfls. Thats impractical and hilarious. Have you ever grown weed before?
 
Cyrus420

Cyrus420

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mr sunshine said:
Reajusting 46 cfls every few days sounds painful.
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I'm not sure if you read what he is saying.

He is describing a scenario in which you have nearly as much wattage with Weedbulbs as you would a 400w HPS system. Due to the materials used in making the part of the bulb that actually lights up the light spectrum is perfected for the plants, which a HPS cannot due, which is true. He's not saying you can grow more with a CFL vs HPS he's saying given the same wattage the Weedbulbs will out perform a HPS because they are more tuned to the spectrum of light the plants love to absorb, do you understand now?
 
Cyrus420

Cyrus420

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mr sunshine said:
Dude you advised me to use 16 cfls instead of one 400 watt..so if I run a 1000 watt id need about 41 cfls. Thats impractical and hilarious. Have you ever grown weed before?
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The OP of the thread is asking about Weedbulbs most likely because they have a stealth grow. Not everyone has the space or resources to run a 1000 watt. You really need to stop trash talking a product you've clearly displayed you have very little knowledge. You're just coming across as ignorant.
 
rob333

rob333

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Cyrus420 said:
The OP of the thread is asking about Weedbulbs most likely because they have a stealth grow. Not everyone has the space or resources to run a 1000 watt. You really need to stop trash talking a product you've clearly displayed you have very little knowledge. You're just coming across as ignorant.
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i was asking as i was gunna grab some for my old man i inboxed also messaged weedbulbs asking if i could put them to the test with a hps as mr sunshine shut him down and i have no reply back from weedbulbs i have put them down as a scam ;)
 
rob333

rob333

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Cyrus420 said:
The OP of the thread is asking about Weedbulbs most likely because they have a stealth grow. Not everyone has the space or resources to run a 1000 watt. You really need to stop trash talking a product you've clearly displayed you have very little knowledge. You're just coming across as ignorant.
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also i work at a hydro shop and what weedbulbs is stating is a little over the top this is comming from a grow light pro
 
Cyrus420

Cyrus420

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rob333 said:
i was asking as i was gunna grab some for my old man i inboxed also messaged weedbulbs asking if i could put them to the test with a hps as mr sunshine shut him down and i have no reply back from weedbulbs i have put them down as a scam ;)
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Okay. I'd go back and really read the conversation that happened here before writing them off as a scam. Mr Sunshine only showed he's ignorant and not willing to read replies to those who offer him information. Do what you do man.
 
Cyrus420

Cyrus420

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rob333 said:
also i work at a hydro shop and what weedbulbs is stating is a little over the top this is comming from a grow light pro
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Working at a Hydro Shop doesn't make you a light manufacture, you just know a lot of facts about the lights you sell.
 
rob333

rob333

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Cyrus420 said:
Working at a Hydro Shop doesn't make you a light manufacture, you just know a lot of facts about the lights you sell.
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did i say im a light pro no i trust some one that been working in hydro for almost 30 years also he is a rep for growlush ;) after looking at the charts from the website also the reviews which u have not read they are a bucket of shit
 
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