Want to go organic...a few opinions needed please

Olias of Budhillow

Olias of Budhillow

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Hey all

For a long time now I have done all my growz in soil and the same method every time. I use Fox Farms Happy Frog with the Fox Farms/Bush Doctor line of nutes. I am wanting to accomplish a couple of things. I want to go 100% organic, I want a water only medium, but I also want to stay with Fox Farms as my base soil. I plan on changing over to Ocean Forest for my next grow. But, I would like to get opinions from others about an organic additive recipe that will accomplish what I want and maintain a good and healthy grow...

I have a small set up and can only grow 2 plants at a time and do justice to both of them. So, I don't need a gigantic batch. I use 5 gallon grow bags so I want a good 20 gallon recipe to get me through 2 full grows.

Any opinions and experience much appreciated. Thanks!
 
240sxing

240sxing

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FFOF , will take you to flowering depending on veg length , then either transplant before or top again with Ocean forest , followed by worm casting and bat guano. Simple without making a Supersoil.
 
Olias of Budhillow

Olias of Budhillow

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I only ever do 1 transplant in my grows. From seedling container into 5 gallons. I know the FFOF will get me through most of my vegging but, I tend to veg longer than 4-6 weeks. I want to amend the soil so I will not need to add any additional nutrients.
 
GreenSanta

GreenSanta

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Subcool 's recipe is a good starting point, eventually you can move more towards ROLS, recycling and reamending. But for a first time organic grow Subcool's recipe works (can be tweaked to your liking, its not rocket science...) somewhere in my old thread (link in signature) I have recipes that custom for 3.8 cu.ft. of potting soil (1 bale of promix) its weak enough to transplant seedlings right into it yet strong enough to produce awesome crop.
 
DonBrennon

DonBrennon

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Olias of Budhillow said:
TY for the link! However, I couldn't find any real helpful info on my particular issue. I find it hard to believe that I cannot find one grower on RIU that has amended FFOF to be full-cycle/watering only.
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1st off.....sorry, I've no experience with FFOF, but IF you're determined to go water only with FFOF, why not use it straight and topdress with small amounts of amendments and castings/compost once a month(kelp,neem,crabshell,guano,etc). It'd take a little guessing what the plant needs, but if you stick to a balanced low level NPK nutrient input, you should be golden, it'd be MUCH better than resorting to bottles
 
bigskymtnguy

bigskymtnguy

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FFOF is good, but you may find it a tad "hot." I'd go with a 50/50 mix of FFOF and FFHF. To keep it simple, add 20% worm castings during veg, then small amounts of bat guano, fish bone meal and kelp meal in the flowering mix when you transplant. I highly recommend foliar feeding with a light solution soluble kelp and yucca.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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Olias of Budhillow said:
Hey all

For a long time now I have done all my growz in soil and the same method every time. I use Fox Farms Happy Frog with the Fox Farms/Bush Doctor line of nutes. I am wanting to accomplish a couple of things. I want to go 100% organic, I want a water only medium, but I also want to stay with Fox Farms as my base soil. I plan on changing over to Ocean Forest for my next grow. But, I would like to get opinions from others about an organic additive recipe that will accomplish what I want and maintain a good and healthy grow...

I have a small set up and can only grow 2 plants at a time and do justice to both of them. So, I don't need a gigantic batch. I use 5 gallon grow bags so I want a good 20 gallon recipe to get me through 2 full grows.

Any opinions and experience much appreciated. Thanks!
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if you have a small area to grow in, I suggest utilizing square plastic pots, and get four of them to match your area, believe me I used to do a small-ass grow for yrs, and this is the best way to utilize your area, then top the plants to get you two colas a piece, and fit in 8 colas in your grow, that should get you at least 6-8 oz
besides grow bags suck in maximizing roots.
in my experience anyways.
as for your mix, the problem with further amending a product like that is that it throws everything off, you can't just add nutrients to a balanced soil like that.
so you'd need to UP the amount of neutral soil (like promix) and then amend that with a dry meal based, slow release forms of even NPK.
make sense?
most of the FFOF stuff is soluble nutrients, and they do run a lil dry after about 30-40 days, depending on the container size.
 
Olias of Budhillow

Olias of Budhillow

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Well, I did some reading and decided to go with Subcool's S.S. I found several small batch recipes that can be made and saw prices on all ingerdients. I can do the whole shebang for less than $100.00 and that will last several grows. The only thing I will need to buy more of soon will be the base pro-mix. So, next question...Pro-mix or Pro-mix BX??
 
Vnsmkr

Vnsmkr

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Olias of Budhillow said:
Well, I did some reading and decided to go with Subcool's S.S. I found several small batch recipes that can be made and saw prices on all ingerdients. I can do the whole shebang for less than $100.00 and that will last several grows. The only thing I will need to buy more of soon will be the base pro-mix. So, next question...Pro-mix or Pro-mix BX??
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Get the BX. It has fungicide
 
Evil-Mobo

Evil-Mobo

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Olias of Budhillow said:
Well, I did some reading and decided to go with Subcool's S.S. I found several small batch recipes that can be made and saw prices on all ingerdients. I can do the whole shebang for less than $100.00 and that will last several grows. The only thing I will need to buy more of soon will be the base pro-mix. So, next question...Pro-mix or Pro-mix BX??
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Can you share this recipe for smaller batches please?
 
Olias of Budhillow

Olias of Budhillow

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  1. 1.5cf (1 Large Bag) Super Soil Ingredients
  • .625lbs. (10oz) Bat Guano (0-12-0)
  • .625lbs. (10oz) Bone Meal (3-16-0)
  • .625lbs. (10oz) Blood Meal (12-0-0)
  • 1.5tbsp Epsom Salt
  • 3/4 tsp Powdered Humic Acid
  • 1tbsp Kelp Powder
  • 1tbsp Azomite
  • 2tbsp Mycorrhizal Fungi
  • 2tbsp Dolomite lime
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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Olias of Budhillow said:
TY for the link! However, I couldn't find any real helpful info on my particular issue. I find it hard to believe that I cannot find one grower on RIU that has amended FFOF to be full-cycle/watering only.
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I've been amending FFOF for full cycle mostly water only with the occasional EWC AACT. I don't have a soil recipe because I just add dry amendments & keep on recycling the soil over & over...it gets better with time. Every time I harvest I simply throw the root balls in a bigass tub & add the following:
Azomite
Glacial rock dust
Garden gypsum
Dolomite lime
Humic acid
Feather meal
Blood meal
Fish bone meal
Green sand
5-5-5 happy frog fertilizer
Composted chicken manure
Bat guano
Neem seed meal
Kelp meal
Alfalfa meal

Hydrate & allow to sit for a month. EZ breezy...
My plastic recycle tubs hold about 3 ten gallon root balls...to the above listed ingredients I add about a handful or less of each amendment plus a shovel full of coco & perlite and up to 30% fresh EWC. Not really scientific; I just eyeball it & seems to work out well. You do not have to follow anyone's recipe or be exacting about it; use what you have or can easily source. Best advice I can give you is to go start a worm bin right now. Fresh EWC is the shit...
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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Richard Drysift said:
I've been amending FFOF for full cycle mostly water only with the occasional EWC AACT. I don't have a soil recipe because I just add dry amendments & keep on recycling the soil over & over...it gets better with time. Every time I harvest I simply throw the root balls in a bigass tub & add the following:
Azomite
Glacial rock dust
Garden gypsum
Dolomite lime
Humic acid
Feather meal
Blood meal
Fish bone meal
Green sand
5-5-5 happy frog fertilizer
Composted chicken manure
Bat guano
Neem seed meal
Kelp meal
Alfalfa meal

Hydrate & allow to sit for a month. EZ breezy...
My plastic recycle tubs hold about 3 ten gallon root balls...to the above listed ingredients I add about a handful or less of each amendment plus a shovel full of coco & perlite and up to 30% fresh EWC. Not really scientific; I just eyeball it & seems to work out well. You do not have to follow anyone's recipe or be exacting about it; use what you have or can easily source. Best advice I can give you is to go start a worm bin right now. Fresh EWC is the shit...
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try and source a different mineral man, using azomite over and over, and allowing it to compost will bring the aluminum out of it, especially used with worm castings and compost, all the acids/lower ph make it bioavailable.
azomite is ok for one or two runs but I wouldn't use past that.
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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greasemonkeymann said:
try and source a different mineral man, using azomite over and over, and allowing it to compost will bring the aluminum out of it, especially used with worm castings and compost, all the acids/lower ph make it bioavailable.
azomite is ok for one or two runs but I wouldn't use past that.
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Like what? I use rock dust, srp, garden gypsum and lime. Should I be staggering it by holding back every few recycles?
 
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