vegetable glycerin tincture for tank system e-cig?

Running such low ohms (sub ohm), what size batteries are you using?

What gauge wire are you using to build your coils? When running dual coil.

I am all ears on any good 18mm battery, less than 80mm long, that will release more than 5 amps. I haven't done that much research on batteries yet. Some of my carts I will have to get a different battery for my mechanical. The largest battery my mechanical will accept is the AW 18650 2600mAH protected. It would be nice to find a battery that can release (edit it would be nice to find something same length or shorter that would release 8 to 12 amps) more than 5 amps that is the same size or shorter.



I must say, nobody is blowing the doors off my eGo C Twist or APV MOD! Especially with a RDA. It is all personal preference. I look at it as there are 3 types of vaporizers. 4 types if you want to count junk and scams. The 3 would be a VV pen vape (great for stealth), an APV MOD - to me these are mandatory as a vape enthusiast they help in every single aspect except for stealth some rigs for example a titanium KISS cart is meant for a digital vape a mechanical vape will not run it as well not to mention they make unbelievable carts for APVs like an iClear 30b I like the bottom fed units since they basically have not wick which means no waste as long as it does not leak, third would be a mechanical vape they work completely differently. I have to admit that the mechanical vape is my favorite to use, but as an example of them working different is when you push the power button it sends a high pulse to the cart and that causes it to have a different effect. It is a great improvement when running the standard KISS cart. I like all of them, each has their different qualities and benefits.


This is a little mechanical vape with an 18350 battery. It can telescope to accept 18650 batteries. It has a 510 - 601 adapter so I can use the regular KISS cart on it. I must say, it is impressive, especially with a mechanical vape. It is almost like they were meant for each other.


The unit on the left is a Kraken clone. The benefit with that is when using metal wicking you can simply rinse your wicks with alcohol and get your oil back. Not to mention you can rebuld it without having to remove any oil.


I have been starting to steer away from wicking systems. I really like the bottom fed units like the one on the left, an iClear 30b. The unit on the right is a pen battery with a titanium KISS. The only problem with the bottom fed units is that they are prone to leaking so you need to keep it sideways. A new unit was just released that has upper air control so it shouldn't leak at all. Can't wait to try it, basically no wicking. Pretty much dual coils submerged in a tank full of e-cannabis oil. It gives an extraordinary gaseous hit. It is very difficult to describe it.



Just a standard top fed dual coil iClear 30. I have tried all kinds of vaporizing devices and this is the only unit that I have tried where I can literally taste the individual strains I used to make the oil.


Different devices have different effects on the taste. Even the same cart and switching from an electronic vape to a mechanical vape can have big changes on the taste. You may not even realize it. I took a few too many pokes on my e-cigg oil using my mechanical vape with my iClear 16 for e-ciggs!! It was just so smooth I didn't realize I was taking in that much oil!


I haven't had the time to do the research. If you have some answers to my questions with my mechanical vape, in regards to the battery, it would be appreciated. I will happily answer one of your questions.

Decarbed oil, not decarbed oil: You are right, you can get high vaporizing non decarbed oil as long as you are able to vaporize it, doesn't matter what ohms you are running as far as I know. There is a big difference in the buzz between the two. Non decarbed oil the buzz comes on faster. It reminds me of a sativa buzz. Decarbed oil the buzz comes on slower and it reminds me more of an indica buzz. Same strains to make each type of oil.

It has almost been a year now that I have dedicated my grow room to testing vaporizers strictly meant for oil. Never been a fan of vaping buds. It is healthier and I do recommend it vs. smoking. I just wasn't satisfied until I started vaporizing cannabis oil. Vaporizing e-cannabis oil and vaping straight with the KISS cart and a mechanical vape.

Here is a tool I really like to use with my e-cannabis. It has a big effect on the flavor since it is constructed with quality glass. One of the newest rigs on the market, Aero Tank. Dual coil, bottom fed, with air intake control, sealed 510 threads with no leakage to battery. If one of the coils goes bad, it is no big deal at all, you won't even lose juice. Simply flip the unit over like you are going to fill it. Remove the heating coil and thread in a new one. You will only lose about a drop of oil and the coils are only about $3 each.

Still breaking it in, but so far I am very pleased with it and is currently on my favorite list. Only time will tell at this point whether or not it is worthy to keep around. It really makes me happy that I am able to use it on my 3.7Volt mechanical vape. I enjoy using the mechanical vapes.

I hope somebody posted in there somewhere that it's not propylene glycol. they should use "Polyethylene glycol (PEG)"

doublejj said:

I hope somebody posted in there somewhere that it's not propylene glycol. they should use "Polyethylene glycol (PEG)"

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My avatar may say New Member, but I have been registered here since 2009 and have been growing premium dank for 15 years.

Well, I hate to burst your bubble, at least if you live in North America, or if you are Amish, but then you wouldn't be on a computer, I live in an area where there are a lot of Amish families.

You are mass consuming Propylene Glycol USP every day. You eat food from this country, yes? Well actually the whole continent. PG USP is in your food, beverages, and in your medicine too. If you live in North America it is completely unregulated and fully approved by the FDA.

I am not saying it is good for you, but it works better than PEG going by the feedback I have received. Do your research and be sure to look up the proper chemical Propylene Glycol USP medical/food grade. That is why it is used in e-cigarettes.

1 year of my e-cigg habit by far exceeds an entire lifetime use with cannabis oil mixed with PG USP and vaporized.

I am not referring to PG, I am talking about PG USP. Sometimes it is called PG USP Kosher.

Maybe you live in Europe where PG USP is highly regulated. 1 liter of soda pop is allowed to contain 1mL (one gram) of PG USP in Europe.

Who knows what else is in our food here in NA. You think they have to disclose the chemicals that are used in processing? You are mistaken. There are plenty of more dangerous chemicals in our food than what we know.

Did you know that the Obama administration just increased the allowable radiation levels found in seafood by 100% so we can still purchase seafood that was caught in radiation effected waters in Japan. In Japan, that food is considered toxic, not even worthy to feed to the livestock. If you want to worry about people taking poison, you can start with our FDA and the food allowed into the USA.

Personally, I would put PG USP at the bottom of my list of things to worry about. You may want to start with the cancer causing pesticides in and on our food.

Then again, you may be like the others and somehow you are not affected by any of this. Must be magic. I wish I had the time to grow my own food, raise my own livestock, make my own beverages, and not have any worry about any contaminants.

If you really want to go against PG USP, you are barking up the wrong tree. If you want to go against it when it comes to vaporizing, you should be talking on the e-cigarette forums. E-cigarettes are becoming quite popular in the USA.

Personally, I would much rather use something that is common in medicine for use in vaporizers such as Propylene Glycol USP.

Here is some fun information about PEG, which is used in laxatives...

But, to each their own is suppose

Medical uses

PEG is the basis of a number of laxatives (e.g., macrogol-containing products, such as Movicol and polyethylene glycol 3350, or SoftLax, MiraLAX,ClearLAX, or GlycoLax). Whole bowel irrigation with polyethylene glycol and added electrolytes is used for bowel preparation before surgery or colonoscopy. The preparation is sold under the brand names GoLYTELY, GaviLyte C, NuLytely, GlycoLax, Fortrans, TriLyte, Colyte, Halflytely, Softlax, Lax-a-Day, ClearLax and MoviPrep. In the United States, MiraLAX and Dulcolax Balance are sold without prescription for short-term relief of chronic constipation. Miralax is currently FDA approved for adults for a period of seven days, and is not approved for children.[6] A 2007 comparison showed that patients suffering from constipation had a better response to PEG medications than to tegaserod.[7] These medications soften the fecal mass by osmotically drawing water into the GI tract. It is generally well tolerated, however, side effects are possible bloating, nausea, gas, and diarrhea (with excessive use).

When attached to various protein medications, polyethylene glycol allows a slowed clearance of the carried protein from the blood. This makes for a longer-acting medicinal effect and reduces toxicity, and allows longer dosing intervals. Examples include PEG-interferon alpha, which is used to treat hepatitis C, and PEGfilgrastim (Neulasta), which is used to treat neutropenia. It has been shown that polyethylene glycol can improve healing of spinal injuries in dogs.[8] One of the earlier findings, that polyethylene glycol can aid in nerve repair, came from the University of Texas (Krause and Bittner).[9] Polyethylene glycol is also commonly used to fuse B-cells with myeloma cells in monoclonal antibody production.

PEG is used as an excipient in many pharmaceutical products. Lower-molecular-weight variants are used as solvents in oral liquids and soft capsules, whereas solid variants are used as ointment bases, tablet binders, film coatings, and lubricants.[10]

PEG is also used in lubricating eye drops.

"PEG is used as an excipient in many pharmaceutical products. Lower-molecular-weight variants are used as solvents in oral liquids and soft capsules, whereas solid variants are used as ointment bases, tablet binders, film coatings, and lubricants.[10]

PEG is also used in lubricating eye drops."
If PEG is used as a base for eye drops & oral liquids & soft capsules, it can't be bad to consume.
P.S. and PG is used in antifreeze....

Grow Goddess said:

Please show some proof. I have read on many forums and even comments that the original innokin products made with plastic are some of the only products that do not crack or melt when using certain e-juice. Like cinnamon. I really don't recommend the iClear 30 for e-ciggs. The extra metal with the rotatable tip absorbs teh sweet flavorings. Sometimes it can give off a sour hit, but that is only the 30 top fed unit. I have only heard that their units do not crack or melt. Unless it is an imitation. They are out there.

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Cinnamon flavors and certain other flavors can crack tanks

doublejj said:

"PEG is used as an excipient in many pharmaceutical products. Lower-molecular-weight variants are used as solvents in oral liquids and soft capsules, whereas solid variants are used as ointment bases, tablet binders, film coatings, and lubricants.[10]

PEG is also used in lubricating eye drops."
If PEG is used as a base for eye drops & oral liquids & soft capsules, it can't be bad to consume.
P.S. and PG is used in antifreeze....

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Please get off the antifreeze trip. Yes, PG is used in antifreeze. Where do I mention straight PG?

Again, medical/food grade PG USP is not the same chemical. Get your facts straight before advising.

Go whine to the FDA. PG USP is used in the manufacture of food and beverages.

There are restrictions on PEG. PEG is more dangerous to use for more than 9 days straight.

gotank420 said:

Cinnamon flavors and certain other flavors can crack tanks

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In most cases, yes this is true. That carries no value to me. I don't put cinnamon flavors in my e-cannabis or my e-cigarettes. I have tried $1,000 worth of different equipment and many different e-cigarette oils. In some cases, plastic is more preferred in regards to taste. With some flavors, they taste better with metal. Other flavors taste better with glass. It is all personal preference.

I have heard of plastic tanks cracking, but I cannot say that I have heard of an innokin cracking. Funny, a statement is not proof. Got a picture? Just saying...

Either way, it does not effect me.

If I saw an e-cigg oil that cracked plastic. Well, I sure as hell would not want to be vaporizing that oil!

Here is what I am vaping and it works awesome!

A quick frozen rinse QWISO , 99% iso, this is what I am using and mixing with PG USP for my e-cigg vape.

Finally got around to making some vg/bho for the atmos c-cig, took forever on pretty high heat to get it to mix at about 50/50 ratio and even then there was a dark residue layer on top of the golden vg that seemd to be wicked up first and tasted pretty hashy, these things are pretty cool a couple rips and I can get pretty stoned, last a good while too

VG and cannabis oil will separate over time. Skunk Farms has to use a homogenization process to get the VG and BHO to stick together. For people who are allergic or just don't care for PG I would recommend PEG 400 as it blends really well with cannabis oil and stays mixed for a long time. I like the hit it gives also.

Grow Goddess said:

Please get off the antifreeze trip. Yes, PG is used in antifreeze. Where do I mention straight PG?.

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Antifreeze originally used ethylene glycol but it would kill pets when they drank puddle of antifreeze. the reason propylene glycol is in antifreeze now is because it is a less harmful substance to ingest than ethylene glycol

doublejj said:

I hope somebody posted in there somewhere that it's not propylene glycol. they should use "Polyethylene glycol (PEG)"

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The O.pen Vape cartridges(OrganaLabs and Bakked) contain co2 oil mixed with propylene glycol for consistency. Some DIY ecig juice bases(targeted to nic and thc users) conatin a mix of PG and different grades of PEG. there is nothing wrong with vaping PG and saying that it is only PEG used and not PG is misinformation

VG is horrible for you, peg isn't ready, leaving pg

That would be PG USP medical/food grade. Sometimes you will see it as Kosher PG USP.

Nothing else added. To mix with your concentrate, get plain PG USP.

I order mine from reputable e-cigg companies.

Edit:
It has been a little over a year now of no combustion. After a year, there is no going back! Combustion and the stink. I just can't imagine going back.

They keep coming out with cool new products that can be used with e-cannabis.

qwizoking said:

VG is horrible for you, peg isn't ready, leaving pg

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How could vegetable glycerin be bad for you... Granted it does not mix with thc oil without laboratory grade equipment but i would think that the most natural solution would provide less of a health risk... ??

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrolein
No saying the word natural or organic just makes people feel better

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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrolein
No saying the word natural or organic just makes people feel better

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Can you please enlighten us a bit more? Can you verify that the Vegetable Glycerine used in the e-cigg industry is the synthetic form which can contain Acrolein?

Since I am an e-cigg user, I have some interest. As far as I have found, non-synthetic VG does not contain Acrolein.

Reread wherever you heard that..
VG turns into acrolein when heated. It shouldn't already be in it

From what I've read it takes temps of 554F plus, to make VG turn into acrolein.