vegetable glycerin tincture for tank system e-cig?

Guzias1

Well-Known Member
superrr strong feelings grow goddess. i respect your work and contributions, but we are stepping into unknown territories.

as people have concerns with solvent extracts effecting our health. i feel this is right up there with things to be aware of.

everything in a certain amount is toxic ya?

i am alllll for these weed juice mixes, i would loveeeeeeeeeee to have years of backed up proof that shows vaping this stuff all day is a much healthier way to smoke over any other way..

but we still young test lab rats right?


like i says, im allll for this way of vaping. but, the lack of long term info really puts caution towards my approach.


but more importantly,
thanks again!
 

lizmath

New Member
I am all for helping people. Don't waste your money on the glycerine. I will PM you some information. Please report back on how it works with your hash.

For me RSO is the way to go, but I am very interested in knowing how it works with other types of concentrated cannabis.

Yes, you are right. I truly believe it does prevent some cancers. I believe in taking one to three small maintenance doses per day (size of a grain of rice).

It takes anywhere from two to three ounces of bud to fill a two teaspoon size syringe (10ml, or 10cc) with RSO.

Hi Grow Goddess,

I thank the Universe every day that there are angels like you walking on this earth.

I have been on RSO since November and am about to start on my second batch. I have rectal cancer with mets in the lungs and liver, so I thought that, if I vaped the RSO, I might reach the ones in my lungs quicker. I bought an EGO T yesterday but now I need to know how to make the tincture. You can imagine how excited I am to see your post - please can I get that information from you about making an RSO tincture.
 

Decarboxyla

New Member
Somthing to understand about e-cigs is that they only vapourise, when you smoke a joint they burn, when you burn there is a chemical reaction from THCA to THC, if you try to vapourise anything that is normally burnt you will not get the thc and thca is not a psycotrop it will not get you hi !!!! In order to het that hit its imperative to recreate that burning reation, transform the thca to thc, it is known as Decarboxylation! this is how it is done:
Measure the amount you plan to use and grind it much the same as for a joint, heat an oven to 240°F (use a good ovan thermometer) no hotter ! place your mix in a pyrex tray even it out thinly and place it in the preheated oven, once in keep the temperature constant for 1 HOUR !!! Now the decarboxylation is done you can place your mix in a jar and cover with high grade alcohol and shake (everclear in the usa or Spirytus in europe would be the best but any alcohol over 40% will work just takes more time), Use the following estimated amounts of cannabis for 300 ml of alcohol, Leaf 3 to 4 ounces, Trim 2 ounce Trim Smoke and Bud 1 to 1 1/2 ounces
Kief and Hash 6 to 8 grams, place your jar in a freezer, remove it 2 or 3 times a day and shake vigorously, repeat this for a week, once done try your tinture start with a few drops on the tongue, depending on the original strength it can be very strong so go slowly ! for the e liquide you can evaporate some of the alcohol to find your desired strenth, a few drops for every ml in your favorite juice and ......!!!!tried and tested ! hope this answers your questions and happy vap. James
 

Fadedawg

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Hee, hee, hee, Joe and I just emulsified 24 grams of winterized BHO into 39 grams of V glycerin. Big vapor cloud, and gives good head. What could be sweeter?
 

Decarboxyla

New Member
Get into science !! [h=2]Easy Steps to Decarboxylation[/h]Consumer grade ovens are not always exact so I decided to shoot for a decarboxylation temperature of around 240° Fahrenheit. This should produce quick results without losing any medicinal potency. 30 minutes seemed like a nice round number for a first test and should give the kief and trim plenty of time to come up to temperature.
Kief has a tendency to ball up in the bag which could lead to uneven temperatures and possibly uneven decarboxylation. Before I put it in the oven, I loosened up the clumps with a fork. While most of the trim was already fairly broken up from its time in the kief tumbler, there were still some budlets in the trim that I wanted to break apart.
A few minutes in the Cuisinart works great for breaking up trim and also works well on buds if you have a bunch of joints to roll. The static from the plastic separated out some low grade kief which loosely clung to the lid of the Cuisinart. I brushed this back into the trim.
I placed a pizza stone on the middle rack of the oven and set the oven dial to bake at as close to 240° Fahrenheit as possible. Ovens lose a lot of heat when the door is opened and sometimes the temperature spikes with little explanation. The pizza stone absorbs the heat and helps maintain a constant temperature. In order to track my temperature accurately I used a thermometer with a heat resistant cord. I placed the thermometer on the pizza stone and the digital readout on the counter next to the oven where it could be monitored.
Once the temperature reached about 240° and did not appear to be increasing I placed a small Pyrex bowl of kief and another of the trim on the pizza stone. I set my timer for 30 minutes and continued to monitor the temperature. A Pyrex lasagna dish would be perfect for larger quantities. As expected, the temperature fell a few degrees from opening the door and then came back up to temperature. Throughout the half hour the temperature rose and fell several times for no apparent reason but stayed between 229° and 245° Fahrenheit.
After 30 minutes I removed both Pyrex containers with an oven mit and placed them on the counter to cool. Both the kief and the trim had noticeably fluffed up and gave off a slightly roasted scent. I took a few grams of each and packaged them for lab testing.
I returned the Pyrex dishes to the oven and set the timer for another half hour. I was pretty sure that 30 minutes had been enough to mostly decarboxylate the kief and trim, but just in case I wanted a backup test at a full hour. Either way I had to be patient and wait a few days for the test results to come back.
[h=2]Results of Decarboxylation Experiment[/h]The following charts show the results of the 30 minute and 60 minute decarboxylation experiments. Also included are the lab results from testing done prior to any artificial decarboxylation to establish a starting point. Note that because of the age of both the kief and the trim, decarboxylation had begun to take place to some degree naturally. This may not be your starting point, but should not affect the results of the experiment much.
[h=3]Kief[/h]
CompoundBefore Decarb30 Min Decarb60 Min Decarb
THCA 24.5% 2.6% .1%
THC 3.8% 25.4% 25.5%
CBDA .6% .3% .3%
CBD 0% 1% .1%
CBN .4% 1% 1.4%
Moisture 0% 0% 0%
Total Cannabanoids 29.3% 30.3% 27.4%
[h=3]Cannabis Trim[/h]
CompoundBefore Decarb30 Min Decarb60 Min Decarb
THCA 6.5% 2.9% .2%
THC .6% 4.8% 6.9%
CBDA .2% .2% .1%
CBD 0% 0% .1%
CBN 0% 0% 0%
Moisture 3.4% 4.5% 0%
Total Cannabanoids 7.3% 7.9% 7.3%
Testing provided by SC Labs
As you can see from the two charts, 30 minutes was not quite enough to completely decarboxylate either the kief or the trim. At 30 minutes the kief was about 90% decarboxylated but the trim was only about 60% decarboxylated. This difference is likely because the trim had a higher starting moisture content. After 60 minutes however, both keif and trim samples were close enough to 100% decarboxylation for my satisfaction.
So there you have it. 240° F for 60 minutes should be enough to decarboxylate any cannabis with a reasonably low moisture content. For material with higher moisture content, the time can be extended but the temperature should not be increased. If you are concerned about losing organic compounds, lower heat can be used but the time should be extended to compensate
 

Decarboxyla

New Member
the temperature of your e cig is no higher than 250°F propylene glycol evapoates at 210°F wich will carry thca as the temperature is no way high enough to transform thca to thc you can argue with scientiffic facts if you want, the Decarboxylation (and yes that is the true name) will occur in the e cig atomizer at about 5% of its poential strength !!! there are many ways many stories abot how to get hi with an e cig the decarb shown above has been done in high level scientific labs and has proved to be the most successful way !
 

Decarboxyla

New Member
maybe another way you will understand: to vapourise weed hash ect you need a temperature of 180º-220ºC (356º-428ºF), again your e cig is no more than 250°F how can you think it will decarb at such a low temperature ??
 

Decarboxyla

New Member
what sources ? most that i have seen are fauls and misleading ! i am a chemist by profession, what can i say more, you could just say ignorance is bliss, a simple question would be why are there so many topics on this conversation ? if it was as easy as that why isn't there a vapourable hi already? can you honestly say you get hi on mixing bho with vg ? two compounds with negative polarities, maybe with a homogenizer it would be possible ! but then you wil allways come back to the problem of decarb, again the temperature to vape weed is 390ish° right ? your e cig is no more than 250 right ? i leave the rest with you, maybe one day you will get curious and try a decaeb i am sure the day you do you will not be disappointed
 

qwizoking

Well-Known Member
OK well first add a c to the temps you suggested and that's what the coil runs at....these pens can get quite hot
Now decarbing doesn't happen with a set temp but rather speeds exponentially with increasing temp, just curing your weed decarbs it. when vaporized the carboxyl group is broken..
Now chemist you are not..that much seems obvious..I don't know much about ecigs I'm just getting into em..but I do know chemistry

Hence the sig below
 

Decarboxyla

New Member
chemist i am biochemist more to the point, the COOH group will be partially broken,the carboxylic acids will not be given sufficien heat to release the carbon atom, a splif after all burns over 900°c the method i mentioned has been tesed in laboratories around the world for medical research it decarboxylates to give an optimal psychoactive compound, i am not sure about your info about increasing temperature ? there has been some talk about this in protodecarboxylations, at last an interesting reply
 

Decarboxyla

New Member
as you like all i can say is there is a significant difference,we have been working for many years tried may ways and nothing comperes to this method for the time being wish you well
 
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