Veg to Flower different transition techniques.

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THE KONASSURE

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I go from 16/8 or 18/6 or 14/10 or even sometimes 12/12 veg

to

10/14 or 8/16, don`t see the point in 12/12 waste of electric to me for indoor around an 8 to 10 hour day seems more than what most strains need to flower up

Running the veg days longer is ok as the veg uses far less power

like 400/600w vs 1200 to 2000w

Biggest choice I normally make is what to feed, what boosters to give and if I pot up a week or 2 before putting them into flower or just pot them up in a bigger pot the day I put them into flower

potting them up and putting them right into flower means they can take a little longer to finish but then you don`t get them drinking the pot dry as fast so you can do a bit less watering

Yeah you yield a bit more but my 30 to 60L (some 80L) flowering sacks are much bigger than my 5L to 15L vegging bags... so you know the extra room can mean more seeds to pop or more clones

kinda balances out yield/time wise plus means you get a few more flavours so most of the time I put up and go right into bloom, maybe leave one to veg up a bit more and use as a mum if it vegged really nice.
 
darkzero

darkzero

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I run high nitro guano 8-1-1 and Indonesian guano 0-7-0 first 2 weeks of flower maybe espoma bulb tone 3-5-3 because it last 2 weeks, after that bloom nutes on like 0-7-0 guano in conjunction with 0-10-0 jamaican guano,after week 3 week 4 is when I hit with pk boost 4-12-0 bone meal, 1-13-6 vermicrop booster with those 2 guanos. afterwards depending on how the plants react, look decide on what to do
 
Chunky Stool

Chunky Stool

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darkzero said:
I run high nitro guano 8-1-1 and Indonesian guano 0-7-0 first 2 weeks of flower maybe espoma bulb tone 3-5-3 because it last 2 weeks, after that bloom nutes on like 0-7-0 guano in conjunction with 0-10-0 jamaican guano,after week 3 week 4 is when I hit with pk boost 4-12-0 bone meal, 1-13-6 vermicrop booster with those 2 guanos. afterwards depending on how the plants react, look decide on what to do
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Well I'm glad it's not complicated!
I like the 0-7-0 guano too, and it's got a decent amount of calcium.
 
Chunky Stool

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darkzero said:
I run high nitro guano 8-1-1 and Indonesian guano 0-7-0 first 2 weeks of flower maybe espoma bulb tone 3-5-3 because it last 2 weeks, after that bloom nutes on like 0-7-0 guano in conjunction with 0-10-0 jamaican guano,after week 3 week 4 is when I hit with pk boost 4-12-0 bone meal, 1-13-6 vermicrop booster with those 2 guanos. afterwards depending on how the plants react, look decide on what to do
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Is bone meal a good choice for PK boost? I thought it took a while to release phosphorus.
For PK boost I used Sea Grow flower & bloom (4-26-26) on my last crop & it was perfect. Weeks 5 & 6 only.
Sticky & stinky, it's the best medicine I've grown so far!
 
darkzero

darkzero

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Chunky Stool said:
Is bone meal a good choice for PK boost? I thought it took a while to release phosphorus.
For PK boost I used Sea Grow flower & bloom (4-26-26) on my last crop & it was perfect. Weeks 5 & 6 only.
Sticky & stinky, it's the best medicine I've grown so far!
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all espoma slow release if I put in now dont have to put in later just water right now mine is 5-42-6 if I add maxicrop soluble seaweed 0-0-17 it will be 5-42-23 but since I watered with it 2 weeks ago no need
 
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purplehays1

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THE KONASSURE said:
I go from 16/8 or 18/6 or 14/10 or even sometimes 12/12 veg

to

10/14 or 8/16, don`t see the point in 12/12 waste of electric to me for indoor around an 8 to 10 hour day seems more than what most strains need to flower up

Running the veg days longer is ok as the veg uses far less power

like 400/600w vs 1200 to 2000w

Biggest choice I normally make is what to feed, what boosters to give and if I pot up a week or 2 before putting them into flower or just pot them up in a bigger pot the day I put them into flower

potting them up and putting them right into flower means they can take a little longer to finish but then you don`t get them drinking the pot dry as fast so you can do a bit less watering

Yeah you yield a bit more but my 30 to 60L (some 80L) flowering sacks are much bigger than my 5L to 15L vegging bags... so you know the extra room can mean more seeds to pop or more clones

kinda balances out yield/time wise plus means you get a few more flavours so most of the time I put up and go right into bloom, maybe leave one to veg up a bit more and use as a mum if it vegged really nice.
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I have found yield directly correlates with the amount of light given. Ive tried 10 hrs and 8 hrs of light opposed to 12 and noticed my yields were proportionally lower. Unless you have a heat issue, or some other reason besides energy, i believe it is best to stay 12/12
 
purplehays1

purplehays1

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ive even flowered at 13/11 accidentally because im retarded and timers are complicated. And the plants produced slightly more than in previous runs, this is not recommended cuz many strains wont flower under 13 hrs of light.
 
darkzero

darkzero

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purplehays1 said:
ive even flowered at 13/11 accidentally because im retarded and timers are complicated. And the plants produced slightly more than in previous runs, this is not recommended cuz many strains wont flower under 13 hrs of light.
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No worries I did that too last run cus of timer issue and got 2 diff monster phenos out of it same strainIMAG0471.jpg IMAG0510.jpg
 
Dr. Who

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Odin* said:
And then there is this response?! Do you have any green house experience. No question mark, it is not a question, it's clear that the answer is "No, none what so ever".


Here's why I say that;

"Photoperiod manipulation can be achieved in the greenhouse with relative ease. When the day length is long but a short day photoperiod is desired, blackcloth fabric may be pulled over plants in the evening and opened in the morning to provide plants with a short day. This is the same technique used in fall mum production to promote earlier flowering of chrysanthemum when days are naturally long. Growers may utilize existing blackout systems used in fall mum production to provide short days for other crops."



Link- http://msue.anr.msu.edu/news/light_and_flowering_of_bedding_plants



This is why there it is so difficult for new growers to get started on the right foot, too many people chiming in that don't really know what they are doing, or even why they do it. The answers provided should consist of "I have umpteen years of experience, all of my testing concludes this, and ALL of the peer reviewed science available supports my findings". Then we could all be on the same page, instead of spinning wheels.
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Oh yes, I know.. We had a hinged system on the one's worked right after school. Kinda like a sun shade on a motor home. This was the roof cover. The old German who ran it - build the system too. Not to hard to use, but rather cool.
Standard seasonal green house fair......Interspersed with tropical's shipped up for wholesale to small shops and stores....The place was getting close to 100 years old when the old German who did died. Took over for 3 years right after school.
The old arch topped original's - we could not do light manipulation well. Mostly just light whitewashing for intensity reduction in the summer. The newer domed one's had the equipment. Owner died in the late 80's and the place closed in 10. His kids were dick's and ran it into the dope money drain, or so was told by old employee's.....

The "month" ahead thing, kind of stretching it.....Prob. more a poor understanding of expressing his thought/point.
 
Odin*

Odin*

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@Dr. Who I hadn't "expanded" the quote to see the "highlight" until after the fact. Makes sense now (I spotted that before your response, bad taste... my foot in my mouth).

A month, very well could be true. Too many variables to say otherwise.

Pardon my "snippy" response (earlier).


I say a month is possible due to the fact that I can shave a couple, to a few (or more), indoor.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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Odin* said:
@Dr. Who I hadn't "expanded" the quote to see the "highlight" until after the fact. Makes sense now (I spotted that before your response, bad taste... my foot in my mouth).

A month, very well could be true. Too many variables to say otherwise.

Pardon my "snippy" response (earlier).


I say a month is possible due to the fact that I can shave a couple, to a few (or more), indoor.
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Interesting to be sure. Been awhile since I did real greenhouse work.....The yew farm had many plastic one's use for propagation.

Been toying with the idea (now that the kids are gone to college) with using the round frame of the old trampoline as end frames (tops) for a home built one - 2 sided plastic as friends with a flower/veg. greenhouse have the plastic welder and the plastic source needed to do it right! Not really a big unit but, 2 or 3 big outdoor plants would fit nicely. Make outdoor in my area actually possible to run out right and with proper budding..Say a wood boiler - outside for the heat source.....Got an older unused one I can employ. Just have to find the time and not get a wave of discontent from the wife.....

You're "pardoned" lol, Been nice "chatting" with you. ;-)
I have interest in your work. Certainly not any contempt!
 
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THE KONASSURE

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purplehays1 said:
I have found yield directly correlates with the amount of light given. Ive tried 10 hrs and 8 hrs of light opposed to 12 and noticed my yields were proportionally lower. Unless you have a heat issue, or some other reason besides energy, i believe it is best to stay 12/12
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Well I have some issues

one is watering my caretaker is lazy and will let them dry out sometimes less light means less watering, then there's the power bill as well as heat and bugs more light hours and I get more bud issues

plus the plants flower faster under an 8 to 10 hour day over a 12

ok I may yield a wee bit less but I get my yield finished faster and the bud is fresher than if I ran 12/12 for the same amount of time or a big longer, it`s all about what strains your running, what lights, air exchange, how your feeding them and

how much you have to trim off and how good the end bud looks, smells and vapes up

for my current grow I notice a 16 to 18 hour veg and an 8 to 10 hour flower seem to work best

as for the autos we`ve had outside soaking up the uk summer in a green tent will 200L of coco under them...... well they look good for auto NL, never seen one of them get over 4ft before, lol
 
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DrGhard

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it works the same either way. plants need few days of transcriptional reprogamming anyhow when they sense the change in the photoperiod (which itself takes few days). so i don't think either method is "better" or "worst". the argument that in nature light transitions gradually does not hold much value due to how plants sense the changes in photoperiod.
 
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