Varoufakis Resigns...

heckler73

heckler73

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Like all struggles for democratic rights, so too this historic rejection of the Eurogroup’s 25th June ultimatum comes with a large price tag attached. It is, therefore, essential that the great capital bestowed upon our government by the splendid NO vote be invested immediately into a YES to a proper resolution – to an agreement that involves debt restructuring, less austerity, redistribution in favour of the needy, and real reforms.


Soon after the announcement of the referendum results, I was made aware of a certain preference by some Eurogroup participants, and assorted ‘partners’, for my… ‘absence’ from its meetings; an idea that the Prime Minister judged to be potentially helpful to him in reaching an agreement. For this reason I am leaving the Ministry of Finance today.


I consider it my duty to help Alexis Tsipras exploit, as he sees fit, the capital that the Greek people granted us through yesterday’s referendum.


And I shall wear the creditors’ loathing with pride.


We of the Left know how to act collectively with no care for the privileges of office. I shall support fully Prime Minister Tsipras, the new Minister of Finance, and our government.


The superhuman effort to honour the brave people of Greece, and the famous OXI (NO) that they granted to democrats the world over, is just beginning.

http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2015/07/06/minister-no-more/

Oh well.
 
Harrekin

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heckler73 said:
Like all struggles for democratic rights, so too this historic rejection of the Eurogroup’s 25th June ultimatum comes with a large price tag attached. It is, therefore, essential that the great capital bestowed upon our government by the splendid NO vote be invested immediately into a YES to a proper resolution – to an agreement that involves debt restructuring, less austerity, redistribution in favour of the needy, and real reforms.

Soon after the announcement of the referendum results, I was made aware of a certain preference by some Eurogroup participants, and assorted ‘partners’, for my… ‘absence’ from its meetings; an idea that the Prime Minister judged to be potentially helpful to him in reaching an agreement. For this reason I am leaving the Ministry of Finance today.

I consider it my duty to help Alexis Tsipras exploit, as he sees fit, the capital that the Greek people granted us through yesterday’s referendum.

And I shall wear the creditors’ loathing with pride.

We of the Left know how to act collectively with no care for the privileges of office. I shall support fully Prime Minister Tsipras, the new Minister of Finance, and our government.

The superhuman effort to honour the brave people of Greece, and the famous OXI (NO) that they granted to democrats the world over, is just beginning.

http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2015/07/06/minister-no-more/

Oh well.
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And soon we'll see people starting to starve, etc.

Cos it is essentially what they've asked for now, by popular vote.

Greek banks won't have any money for liquidity for businesses...etc.

Do you think they realise what they've done?
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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NewtoMJ said:
They choose short term hardship over indefinite crippling decay.
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Eh no, if they can't make a deal with their creditors they're fucked.

An island nation with a worthless currency, no domestic production and no functional banking system?

Yeah, sounds like a great idea.
 
NewtoMJ

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Harrekin said:
Eh no, if they can't make a deal with their creditors they're fucked.

An island nation with a worthless currency, no domestic production and no functional banking system?

Yeah, sounds like a great idea.
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I have not heard a single economist say those things. I've heard plenty of bankers and financiers, but not once have I seen an actual economist say that a no vote would be bad. If you can link me to ! on, that would be great. Ultimately it appears you have fallen for the fear that banks are implementing.
 
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schuylaar

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Harrekin said:
Eh no, if they can't make a deal with their creditors they're fucked.

An island nation with a worthless currency, no domestic production and no functional banking system?

Yeah, sounds like a great idea.
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says mr-i-live-in-ireland-yet-i'm-not-a-socialist..keep eating them lucky charms..i hear they're 'magically delicious'..

:lol:
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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NewtoMJ said:
I have not heard a single economist say those things. I've heard plenty of bankers and financiers, but not once have I seen an actual economist say that a no vote would be bad. If you can link me to ! on, that would be great. Ultimately it appears you have fallen for the fear that banks are implementing.
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Lol...

The market reaction alone says more than enough.

They're running out of food because if they reinstate the Drachma they won't be able to import anything (who's gonna accept the funny money from the crowd who don't mind defaulting on their committments?).

http://uk.businessinsider.com/greece-referendum-food-shortage-and-supermarket-update-2015-7?r=US

You lefties ignore anything that goes against your bullshit mantra.
 
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schuylaar

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Harrekin said:
Lol...

The market reaction alone says more than enough.

They're running out of food because if they reinstate the Drachma they won't be able to import anything (who's gonna accept the funny money from the crowd who don't mind defaulting on their committments?).

http://uk.businessinsider.com/greece-referendum-food-shortage-and-supermarket-update-2015-7?r=US

You lefties ignore anything that goes against your bullshit mantra.
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for a rightie, you sure love socialism:wink:
 
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schuylaar

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Harrekin said:
Says the dumb bitch who posts an "ISIS haven't done anything recently" thread a day after 38 holidaymakers are gunned down on a beach in Tunisia...

Bernie "There'll be snowball fights in hell the day I'm nominated" Sanders 2016! Wooooooh!
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:mrgreen:

that's it little man..let it all out..there, there..

 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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schuylaar said:
for a rightie, you sure love socialism:wink:
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Socialism =/= Nationalised Healthcare and Education

It can be a part of socialism but there's alot more to it than that.

I know basic concepts elude you, but at least shut the fuck up once you're corrected and stop repeating the same stupid falsehoods over and over again.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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abandonconflict said:
Speculation.

Let's just see how Greece does. If Greece recovers and dusts itself off, the scare tactics will lose efficacy.
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One of the first reasonable posts on the thread from a leftie.

I agree, it's uncharted waters but the signs are all there.
 
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schuylaar

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Harrekin said:
Socialism =/= Nationalised Healthcare and Education

It can be a part of socialism but there's alot more to it than that.

I know basic concepts elude you, but at least shut the fuck up once you're corrected and stop repeating the same stupid falsehoods over and over again.
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you know as well as i do adjusted for inflation..don't say i never gave you anything..here's your cite, lazy ass:

The Minimum Wage Is Stuck at $7.25; It Should Be $21.16 — or Higher
- See more at: http://inequality.org/minimum-wage/#sthash.bjDF2TEd.dpuf

Can you imagine Americans of 1968 settling for a minimum wage standard of living that had been set based on 1924 standards? What about 1880 standards? At some point we should expect low-wage workers to start living better than they used to. Don’t low-wage Americans deserve to live in the 21st century, not the mid-20th? - See more at: http://inequality.org/minimum-wage/#sthash.bjDF2TEd.dpuf
 
abandonconflict

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Harrekin said:
Socialism =/= Nationalised Healthcare and Education

It can be a part of socialism
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It IS part of socialism. Ireland is far more socialist than the US. I'm willing to bet there are other parts of the economic infrastructure and resources which have been removed from private ownership.
 
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Harrekin

Harrekin

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Dude don't use broken quotes and we can have a discussion.

You could say Ireland is more "Socialistic" than the US and that would be accurate, but in most parts of the market we actually have a far more accessible economy with far less red tape for small businesses at startup.

Or you could simply say we're a free market economy which protects the weakest members of our society and that we invest in people's futures because a well educated workforce is a productive, taxpaying workforce.

How can you call us "full Socialist" when we have one of the lowest real corporate tax rates in the world?
 
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schuylaar

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Below, @Harrekin you will see some of the most socialistic nations in the world today:

  • China
  • Denmark
  • Finland
  • Netherlands
  • Canada
  • Sweden
  • Norway
  • Ireland
  • New Zealand
  • Belgium
Despite popular myths, there is very little connection between economic performance and welfare expenditure. Many of the countries on this list are proof of that, such as Denmark and Finland. Even though both countries are more socialistic than America, the workforce remains stronger.

http://blog.peerform.com/top-ten-most-socialist-countries-in-the-world/
 
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