Variety selection advice??

Hobbes

Well-Known Member
" How much do you think I should expect to spend on something like this?"

Vortex fan and can filter:

You can find them cheaper, try ebay, but here's a set for $230.





The can fan is meant to output from the coupling at the top, you have to build a container around it to make it an inline filter. Here's a pic of my contraption - air in from the side and out the top.





You may want to look at an inline filter, you need low air flow so you can use less carbon.





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"I should use these in addition to a Can filter?"
(UV or Ionizer)

With a small grow of low odor plants you'll be fine with a can or inline filter. If you go Serious AK47 I don't know.

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"What is Ono?"

Cool liquid/gel/solid that absorbs odor. You can spray it, leave a jar open, make a long term dioderizer using a 5 gallon bucket and a muffin fan.

http://www.bustan.ca/product_detail.asp?menuID=1&SID=14&PID=304.

"Should I find a way to vent air from in the house into the closet though?"

Unless you completely air proof the closet fresh air will come in as the fan draws air out. If your fan output is low it might be because you have too little in-ventilation.

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"The guy I'm getting the clones from doesn't seem to think his plants are too stinky though. I wonder if it's a cross of some sort. Or maybe they're not even really AK, I'm not sure where he got the seeds."

It may be AK48, which is as close to AK47 as Northern Lights. Unless he grew it from seeds - in a breeders pack - he'll never know for sure. AK47 stinks.

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"I'll keep you posted on how things go.
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Cool. If you can, post some pics once your plants are going. I hope things go well for you.

Be careful out there!

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bongsmilie
 

Hobbes

Well-Known Member
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Even if you don't go this route it will give you a good idea of the lights, fans, odor controls that experts will use on a grow your size.

Intelectual property stolen from Gantz


Marijuana Stealth Cabinet




An elegant solution to growing marijuana anywhere! Maximize your yield with this compact screen and bubbler system.




Even rows of colas like this are the result of a well maintained Screen-Of-Green (SCROG).

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The Marijuana Connoisseur's Cabinet

There are lots of reasons to grow weed. I wanted to grow to keep my spouse and I in fresh supply of gear. I’m not into dealing, or being around real dealers. Growing makes us independent of outside suppliers and even less likely to get caught if done correctly. We needed our grow to be done in our home, and it needed to be extremely stealthy. I want to grow, but I don’t want to go to jail. Growing aside, I am a standup citizen and I want to keep it that way.

With this in mind, I set out to build the smallest grow cabinet I could. I believe in understanding the requirements of any project before undertaking the design, so here is a general list of my requirements for this cabinet:

* Must be completely stealthy. The smaller the better was the primary design force.
* Must supply two regular smokers plus occasional friends.
* Must support bonsai mothers as outlined in Oldtimer1's Overgrow article.
* Must adapt to a variety of growing methods, but in particular Shallow Water Culture (SWC) SCreen Of Green (SCROG). This method is outlined later in this article.

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Know how much you need to succeed



When we relied on dealers to supply us, my spouse and I typically smoke about 15 to 25 grams per week of poor quality bud. When we started growing and had top quality bud to smoke, the two of us smoked about 10 to 15 grams per week.

Knowing how much smoke your situation will use will help in designing the best-sized cabinet. I figured 10 weeks per harvest at 15 grams per week equals 150 grams of bud. To get that, the cabinet has to support at least 150 watts, but preferably upwards to 300 watts of HID lighting. Using an average of 50 grams per sq. ft., I decided that 3 sq. ft. of flowering room would be good.

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Visualize and plan your new growing space

My requirements for the cabinet looked like they could be accommodated in about the size of a 36-inch TV box. Actually, I had a strong desire to make sure the box could fit in such a box. What if you need to move? Most people throw away their TV boxes, but I kept mine and it now works great as a skin around my growing cabinet. When we move, it will be easy to keep the mothers safe from point A to point B.




Left: design sketch of the front view of the cabinet. The cabinet is divided into 3 separate chambers, each serving a different role. The utility room is located in the top left chamber and holds the lighting ballasts, main electrical wiring harness, exaust fan, timers, and a place for air freshener gels.

Middle: Top view design sketch of connoisseur cabinet.

Right: The mother room is located in the bottom left chamber and is designed to hold upwards to 6 or so mothers. Notice the room is only 8 inches wide. The mothers will do great in such small quarters. The flowering room is located in the right chamber and is just big enough to accommodate a custom air cooled hood as outlined in Jackerspackle's article, and a mini-scrog that will accommodate 10 inch buds.

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Keeping everything fresh and flowing

Airflow is important, but I wanted it to take up as little space as possible. The cabinet is designed to use an exhaust fan because I wanted a negative pressure environment. This keeps smell from leaving the box from any place other then the exhaust fan.



Air enters the cabinet via the mother chamber. I used 3 1-inch PVC pipes to provide the air inlets. This lets me route the air to different parts of the mother chamber. Figure 3 shows the air inlet holes. Air flows in through each hole and is directed throughout, effectively cycling all of the air in the mother room. The PVC also keeps the light from the mother room from glowing out the side of the box.

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Getting the right equipment

Air leaves the mother room via a 2 inch pvc pipe that wraps around the walls of the flower chamber to the back and into the center of the room. This places the air inlet for the flowering room directly under the screen and buds and then flows directly upwards towards the air-cooled hood. This also provides enough bends to keep light from the mother room from getting into the flowering room during the dark period. It also puts the air right where it is needed, in the buds. This helps eliminate any problems with bud mold.

Finally, air is sucked out of the flowering chamber into the utility chamber via another 2 inch PVC pipe that is attached to the air cooled hood via metal hosing used for driers. PVC was used for least resistance. Dryer hose causes drag, while the smooth surface of the PVC makes airflow easier.




The power behind this is the 150 cfm Dayton pole fan shown in the above photo. You cannot get this at the Home Depot, buy you can get it through Grainger. This thing works so well that the air inlets for the mother chamber can hold up a piece of paper no problem. It’s like a vacuum cleaner. The mother chamber gets fresh air, the flowering chamber gets fresh air and keeps cool, and the utility room is able to vent heat from the ballasts; all from one fan.

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Shallow Water Culture - not your ordinary bucket




I find hydro to be easier to deal with then soil. It is true that it reacts quickly to bad mistakes, but it equally responds to kindness. Also, soil is messy, and I don’t want to deal with buying soil for my grows. Let me explain the way I came about this hydro setup.

Of course I owe all of my new knowledge of growing to Overgrow, and one of the great things about this site was 10K’s contribution of the cheapo-areo-cloner. I built one and thought it was great, but wondered what would happen if you let the clones stay in and gave them more light and nutrients. The result? Bonsai mothers hydro style! They thrived, and I was able to control the roots by giving them haircuts once every 6 to 8 weeks. The only problem was that the “reservoir” size was too small for full growth and flowering. So, I basically bought a bigger version of the areo-cloner reservoir and used it for the entire harvest.

One of the properties of the aero-cloner I like is its lack of any growing medium or cups. I hate rockwool, grow rocks, and cups! The aero-cloner simply rests the roots from the stem directly into the water. Support is supplied via the air hose it is hanging in. It cannot get any simpler or cleaner then this. For the larger version to take the plants all the way through to harvest, I figured the air hose support wasn’t going to work. What would happen when the trunk got too thick?

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Supporting the impending buds

In this SWC design, support for the plant is provided with 3 different mechanisms. First, when the clones are first taken, they are supported by a strip of foam rubber. 1.5 inch holes are cut into the top of the reservoir for each plant and the foam rubber fits snuggly into each hole, clasping the clone and blocking light from entering the res. While the clone is small, the foam rubber “plug” is enough support. As the trunk gets thicker, the foam rubber will give way and squeeze as needed.



The main reservoir is made out of a 7 gal. Rubbermaid tub. The screen is made out of 1 inch PVC piping, and is attached directly to the top for the tub. Figure 5 shows how the PVC pipes actually go through the cover. This helps to provide support to cover for weight. The weight of the screen is actually resting on the PVC legs on the bottom of the res, not on the cover.

As the clones grow roots and fill the reservoir, the root net provides support for the root weight. As the roots get bigger, the bulk of them will sit on top of the net and grow through. When lifting the cover with the plants off of the reservoir, the net will help hold the weight of the plant roots. Finally, as the plants grow towards the screen, the branches are trained and tied down with twist ties to the screen. This further provides support for the plant. Once the plant has started to fill the screen, the foam rubber is simply blocking the light and no longer provides any support.

All in all, this SWC design only uses 6 inches of height for the reservoir, thus the usage of the term shallow.

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Putting the bloom reservoir together



I glued all of the PVC pipes into the elbows except for 8 joints. This allows the screen to be removed from the top, and to break down even further for storage when needed. Figure 6 shows the screen removed from the top, which helps greatly when taking in the harvest. By cutting the trunks and removing the screen from the top, the buds are quickly separated from the roots and ready to be stripped for drying. The cross bar PVC pipes directly under the cover and the T-fittings are glued to the cover using at hot glue gun.

The top corners of the screen are made with 90 degree elbows. The crossbars are simply glued to the sides of the elbow.

The reservoir water is supplied with air via aquarium air pumps and bubble wands or air stones. I am currently using bubbler wands as I find them more reliable and easier to deal with the heavier air stones. The bubbler wands should be replaced every other harvest for maximum air supply to the roots.



Sand the bottom of the tub where the bubble wand ends are located and glue them down to the bottom of the tub.

Drill holes towards the top of the tub for the airlines to go into the tub and to the bubble wand. Remember that your water levels must stay below these holes, so make them as close to the top as you can. Keep the hood on the tub while drilling to make sure the cover will still fit over the tub with the airlines in the holes.

I taped the cover and tub with 3 layers of duct tape. Notice that I left a gap along the top of the tub. I did this so that I can see the water level and bubbles to verify all is well. The water moves through this system too fast for algae to be a problem. After a complete grow, I never once saw any signs of algae.

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Shallow Water Culture parts list

* 2 - 7 Gal Rubbermaid tubs. These can easily be had at any K-Mart, Wal-Mart, etc. One is used for the grow, the other is used as a holder while changing water.
* 2 XYZ Dual outlet air pump. Use one for the grow, the other on reserve if the other dies. You don’t want to have an air pump failure with no backup.
* 3 feet of air hose. Connects the air pump to the bubble wands.
* 2 – 12 inch bubble wands
* 1 role duct tape
* 10 feet of 1 inch PVC pipe
* 4 – 1 inch PVC T-Fittings
* 8 – 45 degree PVC elbows
* 4 - 90 degree 1 inch PVC elbows
* 2 inch chicken wire fence
* 1 block of foam rubber (like a sponge)

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Woodworking 101: Building the Cabinet

Before attempting to build the cabinet, make sure you have the space and the tools to do the job. There is some real work involved with the creation of this cabinet. I am not a master carpenter and this project took me about 2 weeks to complete on a part time basis. I am not going to outline the step by step process of how to build a cabinet like this. If you need that kind of carpentry knowledge, go to Home Depot and pickup a book on how to build cabinets.

I used ½ inch B/C plywood and ¾ inch hardwood to build the cabinet. I didn’t intend for the cabinet to look good on the outside, but rather to sit in something that looked good. I am currently storing the cabinet in a cardboard TV box, but it could easily be put in a wall (best place if you ask me), or have it sit on a large shelf. I believe that the cabinet “facing” should be unique to the grower to help ensure stealth. Some of the possible facings this cabinet could have:

* Cardboard box. Put the cabinet in a TV box and then put the TV box in a room full of other TV boxes, computer boxes, etc. Looks like one of many anonymous boxes.
* Books. Put the cabinet on a large shelf. Cut the ends of books and glue them to the front of the cabinet. Surround the cabinet with real books.
* In the wall. If you happen to be using unfinished living space like a basement or attic, consider finishing off the room and building the cabinet into the wall with a picture face (like those movies with the safe in the wall).
* One of NIMBY’s hollowed out dressers. I know NIMBY didn’t invent it, but he is the current Overgrow stealth dresser master.

Use the ¾ inch hardwood to frame the inside of the box. This provides structural strength and makes it easier to make the cabinet chambers air tight. Use silicon sealant around the seams of the box to further make the cabinet air tight.

Both the mother room and the flowering room have sliding shelves at the very bottom to allow the plants to slide out and be easily accessed. The 100 lbs kitchen drawer slides work well. With the reservoir full of water, and the plants in full bloom, they still don’t weight too much for the shelves to slide out completely. Also, the box weighs enough to not tip over with the shelves extended out.

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Cabinet Construction parts list

Rather then trying to cut all of your plywood during construction, have the hardware store you bought the plywood cut the pieces for you:

1/2 inch B/C plywood:

* 2 - 35.5" x 21" for top and bottom
* 3 - 31" x 20.5" for left, middle, and right sides
* 1 – 35.5” x 32” for back
* 1 – 9” x 12.5” for utility room cover
* 1 – 9” x 18” for mother room door
* 1 – 25” x 31” for flowering room door

¾ inch B/C plywood:

* 1 – for flowering room sliding drawer
* 1 – for mother room sliding drawer

For air circulation, I used 1” pvc for air into the mother chamber and 2” pvc to connect the mother room to the flowering room and the flowering room to the utility room.

* 1” pvc parts:
* 3 – 90 degree elbow
* 2 feet 1” pvc

2” pvc parts:

* 4 – 90 degree elbo
* 3 feet 2” pvc

Miscellaneous parts:

* 3 – Sets of 1” hinges
* 2 – 100 lbs capacity drawer slides
* 3 – Door locks
* 2 – Cans of silicon sealant

When I started constructing the cabinet, I began from the bottom up. While fastening the hard wood, use plenty of wood glue and wood screws. The hard wood strips also serve to reinforce air containment to the box as it helps to seal the joints between the plywood. This picture shows various points of interest of the cabinet construction. Remember the old adage, measure twice - cut once.

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Cabinet Lighting System

This cabinet uses two different sets of lights. The mother room is powered by 4 15 watt fluorescent bulbs while the flowering chamber is powered by a 150 watt HPS. The choice of fluorescent bulbs for the mothers was fairly straightforward. The 150 watt HPS was a more difficult choice.



I was hoping to achieve the 1-gram per watt measurement with this box so a 150-watt would meet my demands. I could have gone with a 250 watt HPS and probably gotten a slightly larger yield but I think the grams per watt ratio wouldn’t have been as good. Later, I will show an example yield from this box with a 150-watt HPS and I think you will be impressed with the results. Besides, a 150-watt bulb generates less heat and uses less electricity. The heat issue is important as ganja does well at 70 degrees Fahrenheit, which can be done in this box with a 150-watt bulb.

Both the fluorescent and HPS ballasts are kept in the utility room. This keeps the mother chamber and flowering chamber cooler. Between the two sets of lights, the box uses 210-watts of electricity when both light systems are going. Having the mother room’s fluorescent lights using a remote ballast helps keep the mother room at external temperatures.

With the Dayton 150 CFM blower, the flower chamber was able to lower the temps by about 16 degrees from what the box would be without the blower. With external temps running around 72 degrees, the flowering chamber averages 72 to 74 degrees just below the lamp.

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Building the 150 HPS grow light

I went with a 150 watt HPS security light bought easily at any home improvement type store (such as Home Depot, Lowes, Home Base, etc). I got mine for $79 at Home Depot.



Turning the security light into a remote ballast horticulture light is very easy. I bought a 2-dollar metal meatloaf pan and put the ballast and starter in there and bolted everything down. I used a 5-dollar extension cord for the wiring. I wired a female plug to the wiring that the bulb socket plugs into. The hood and socket are wired to a normal male extension cord allowing the ballast and hood to be separated as needed. This picture shows the hood and ballast after final construction.

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Building the fluorescent grow light

I found it easiest to just buy 2 cheap 2-foot/2-bulb fluorescent shop lights and dismantle them rather then trying to buy the ballast and other pieces separately. The ballasts in these lights can handle a range of bulbs, not just the 2-foot ones. I bought 4 18-inch/15-watt fluorescent bulbs which work fine. This adds up to 60-watts of fluorescent light rather than 80-watts with the 20-watt bulbs. Each bulb produces about 850 lumens, for a total of 3400 lumens. This is plenty of light for the mothers.

Grounding is very important for fluorescent lights to work properly. If you don’t wire the ballast and bulb sockets correctly, the lights wont turn on when power is applied. It is important to make sure grounding makes it all the way to the sockets, not just to the ballast. Normally, the entire metal housing serves as ground for both the ballast and the sockets. Separating them means you must wire the ground from the ballast to the sockets. This is accomplished by bolting a piece of sheet metal to the top of the mother chamber and having the bolts go through the sockets from the bulbs to the utility room. Ground the bolts from within the utility room and the lights will turn on instantly every time.

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Cabinet Airflow Setup Details

Using PVC for the air-ducts produces the smoothest path possible for air-flow through cabinet. This is an important factor because there is considerable drag put on the exhaust fan due to the plants, light hood, and the fact that the air is moving through three separate chambers. Ultimately, there should be a small amount of air-drag because we want any small, unintended, holes in the cabinet to have air sucking in through them rather than blowing out through them. Remember, air management needs to consider smell, as well as cabinet temps and fresh air for the plants.

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Step 1: Setting up the initial air-inlets

The mother chamber is a long rectangle, which provides an interesting challenge to keeping a fresh supply of air to the mothers. If the air inlet isn’t placed properly the mother room would require a small fan or there would be small dead-air pockets in the foliage of the mothers. Rather then having one larger air hole to the mother room on the side of the cabinet, I created 3 1-inch holes in a horizontal line across the outside of the mother room.



Each hole is fitted with a 90-degree elbow and 4 inches of PVC as shown in this picture. Be sure to position the PVC so that the air coming in through each is flowing through proper places in the room. Locating them near a mother is best and ensures that the mother is getting access to constant fresh air.

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Step 2:Setting up air-flow to the flowering chamber

Air flows from the mother chamber to the flowering chamber, which has to deal with the fact that light will be on in the mother area when the flowering room is in complete darkness. Light should not leak into the flowering room or the crop with be threatened. This can be dealt with by placing 4 90-degree elbows in the vent between the mother and flowering chambers. Given the need for so many elbows in such small quarters, the air inlet to the flowering room can be optimally positioned to provide the best air flow possible to the screen of buds. Given the desire to have air flow from the bottom of the room, through the light and out the top, the best place for the air-intake is directly under the middle of the screen. This causes there to be a air vent “arm” jetting out of the back wall and between the water reservoir and the screen - as well as between the two plants.



Painting the PVC black doesn’t seem to be a necessity. My first harvest was done with bare PVC. It didn’t seem to affect the harvested yield. In operation, light can be observed coming from the flowering chamber through the walls of the PVC when the 150-watt HPS is running. However, the light from the bank of 18-inch fluorescents isn’t powerful enough to penetrate the PVC pipe. You might opt to paint the PVC with flat black paint anyway, just to quell any paranoia you might have about light leaking into the flowering room.

I used a product called “liquid nails” to fasten the pipe to the walls of the flowering chamber. This works better than trying to strap and screw the pipe to the walls, which might affect the air integrity of the room.

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Step 3: Setting up the flowering chamber air exhaust

Air leaving the flowering chamber needs to flow through the air-cooled hood first (or it wouldn’t be an air-cooled hood, now would it ;-) ). The air cooled hood should have a grid of holes on the opposite side of the hood from the vent to the utility room. I routed 2-inch PVC from the utility room around to the other side of the flowering chamber. This was due to the fact that the wall between the utility room and the flowering chamber is fairly well packed with the fastened power strip and ballast wiring. There just isn’t enough room for the air vent setup on that side.



About 10 inches of flex duct is needed to connect the hood so that it can be raised as needed during the grow. I should say that my first grow was done without this. During operation, even without the flex duct, the sucking power of the air exhaust was capable of pulling heat from the hood fairly well. Hooking up the flex duct causes air temps to be a few degrees lower. I kept external room temperatures at 70 degrees, so not having the flex duct was ok. If the room temperatures were kept at 75 then the flex duct would be an absolute essential.

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Air-flow setup conclusion

With the squirrel cage fan installed in the utility room and the doors closed, air should flow nicely from the mother room, through the flowering room and light hood, and into the utility room. It should be obvious that the air-flow system will not operate correctly while the doors to the various rooms are open. With the door to the utility room open, little to no air is moving through the mother and flowering chambers. With the door to the flowering room open, little to no air is moving through the mother room. Having the mother room door open does not affect air flow much, but if kept open no fresh air will get to the back of the mother room.

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Utility room setup

To provide power to the cabinet, I took a heavy-duty extension cord, cut off its female end, and wired it to a 2-gang metal box mounted to the side of the utility room. Make sure the extension cord is made from at least 14 gauge wire and that it is properly fastened to the box and plugs.



I placed the ballast for the HPS below that, and the ballasts for the mother room fluorescents in front, but behind the fan. The flowering room powering strip can be plugged in through a hole cut out to the flowering room (which should be filled with something like silicon).

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Air-tight/Light-tight



Once the box is running, make sure the box is both air-tight and light-tight. You should see no light leaking from anywhere around the box. This can be a challenge around the doors, but a little weather stripping will do the job. Weather stripping is applied around the door opening to help create a good seal when the doors are closed. Count on needing to change the stripping, as it wears from use.

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First Harvest Report



Left: My first grow with this box was done with 2 Silver Pearl clones, shown just after being inserted into the hydro unit.

Middle: 2 weeks later and the clones have taken over three-quarters of the screen.

Right: 56 days of flowering and the two clones are ready for harvest. The screen is fairly well completely packed in with buds, but I would say there is room for more. The pictures of the harvest really don’t do the plants justice in terms of size. It is quite impressive to see the plants at this point. Also, some would say they could have used another week of flushing. Its true, I think they could have stayed another 5 days or so and should have had the flush started about 5 days earlier too. I wanted this grow to produce a more heady high rather then the couch lock high. Harvesting on the earlier side is said to produce less couch lock.

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Cured & Dried

After 3 weeks of curing, the total dried weight of the buds came in at 110 grams or just 2 grams shy of 4 ozs. That’s a QP of quality bud sticks! This next picture shows the dried harvest with a standard bic lighter as a reference. About 3 oz came from the longer buds, and the rest of the weight was in loose buds. The high of the Silver Pearl is very strong. That amount of bud is more than enough to keep me and my partner happy until the next harvest.



After looking at the first grow, I am happy with the choice of a 150-watt HPS. I think the 250-watt would have produced too much heat, and it probably wouldn’t have produced a good gram per watt result like the 150-watt did.

This grow also showed me how important clone selection is. I started with only 6 cuttings from the mother and took the best two. However, those two clones were not identical in development. One clone was about 15 to 25 percent more developed than the other. This difference became more apparent as they were grown out. At the end of the harvest, the smaller clone didn’t produce as much as the hardier one. I now believe the more cuttings you take, the better. I would probably try to have 12 to 16 cuttings to select the best, most equal, clones for flowering.

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Conclusion

After a successful harvest from the box, I am happy that everything worked out well. When growing in such confined areas, a significant amount of imagination and ingenuity has to be applied to get a successful system running. As well as this box produced, there are several areas for improvement.

The biggest drawback I have with this box is the watering schedule the mothers need. Doing bonsai mothers in small soil grows means they need watering almost daily or every other day. This can be a real hassle when going on vacation. These mothers are supposed to last for years, so sooner or later watering will become an issue.

I have done some good experimentation with hydro bonsai mothers and was able to maintain them quite well in an aero-cloner style device. Bonsai size was maintained through regular (every 4 to 6 weeks) root trimming. The hydro mothers seemed to be able to go 7 to 10 days without having to water in a fairly small reservoir. I am planning on replacing the soil mothers with hydro mothers in this box and seeing how they last over the long hall. This would ultimately be an easier system to deal with. I recently cut back the roots on my soil mothers and found the mess a bit unruly. With hydro mothers, this box would have almost no waste materials other than clippings from the plants.

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bongsmilie
 

commonbean

Member
Hobbes,

The stealth box idea is great. I hadn't even thought of it. The plan has been to use the attic so I had no reason to consider this, but now I do. I like the idea of being able to create a slightly larger space for my grow. I have another, larger closet, that I feel more comfortable using. If I build a box in there I would have much more room to work. Hmm...more research now. I could better contain the smell and have more room to work. This is good stuff. Thanks.

You know this just means I'm going to have even MORE questions for you now, right? You are creating more work for yourself!

Thanks a ton. And I will get pictures up. I'll take pictures throughout, from the beginning when I start construction straight through to harvest.
 

Hobbes

Well-Known Member
Good Stuff.

There should be pictures with the stealth cabinet post, if not here's the original thread. The pictures really make the instructions easy to understand.

I get pics sometimes, sometimes not. Anyone else?
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****(edit) Click on the link below then reload this page and the pictures will be there ****

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=29593

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bongsmilie
 

commonbean

Member
Yeah, weird. I didn't have pictures the first time when you posted this, so I looked up gantz and stealth cabinet and found it. But now there are pictures with your post. Strange.

I'm much more excited about this than I was cramming it into my little closet. I'm going to buy some materials to get started, but it'll be a few days. I want to make sure I'm doing it all correctly and what not. I'm thinking about building a cabinet in one closet to use for flower, and then still using the cabinet I had originally planned to use as my veg/clone room. This would allow a pretty substantial increase in what I am able to do.
 

commonbean

Member
Hobbes and whoever else happens along,

Okay, so I'm a little behind on getting this started, but construction will commence today! I'm picking up 3 clones on Monday, so I'm hoping to spend all day today and tomorrow building. I've decided to go with a modified version of Gantz's stealth cabinet. I'm a little nervous as it seems that setting up a soil system would be much easier with fewer things to screw up, but I should be able to pull this off.

My plan:
I have a closet that is 26" wide, 30" deep and 81" tall. I'm thinking I'm going to build 3 boxes that stack on top of each other, all connected via pvc for air exhaust. The bottom box will be for veg, the middle box will be the largest for flower, and then a small box will go on top with the ballasts and all the electical gadgets. The closet is in my bedroom and has a door, so it will be hidden well as there is no reason for anyone to ever go in there. I want to be able to get it out of the house quickly, if needed, since I am renting. So the 3 boxes will each be built with a little room around the outside so they can easily fit out the closet door. If I ever have any worry with someone finding out, I should be able to simply unhook the boxes from the exhaust fan, unplug all the elecrical stuff and get the boxes out of Dodge (or the closet).

Modifications from Gantz. I like the box he built very well. I have a little more space though, and think if I split it into 3 boxes that stack on top of each other it will suit me better. One of the questions I had with his set up is how does he transfer his plants from the veg room to the flower room? He shows the veg room with the clones growing in soil, and then in the flower room he is growing in a hydro tub. So does he simply pull the clone from soil, and feed the roots into the holes in the top of the lid into the water reservoir?

My plan to get around this is to have separate tubs, one in the veg chamber, one in the flower chamber. Then I can simply pull the roots through the hole in the lid to the reservoir in the veg chamber and feed them into the the holes in the lid to the res. in the flower chamber.

I plan to use my 200w Metal Halide lamp for the veg chamber, and my 400w HPS for the flower chamber. I know that fluorescent lights will work for the veg, and have been told that the 200w would be enough for the flower, but I have these two lights and would like to use them. Do you think that 400w will be too much for the flower chamber? I am planning to get a good exhaust fan as you suggested (Hobbes), so I think I should be able to get the heat out fairlly well. But I don't want to ruin any of my plants with too much heat.

Basically I'm going with Gantz' stealth cabinet but am building the three chambers to stack on top of each other vertically to fit in a tall skinny closet. I'm planning to follow his methods for setting up the pvc for air flow and keeping light from making it from one chamber to the next. So besides going vertical with it, I think my only other change will be setting up 2 reservoirs, one for veg one for flower, rather than just one.

Question: My flower chamber will be about 26" x 30", I'm not yet sure how tall it will be. If I am doing a screen of green set up, how many clones do you think it would take to fill the screen by harvest? I'll have 3 to start, but then will be getting the high quality clones I want to use in the future. I don't want to prepare too many clones and not be able to fit them, or to hurt my yield by cramming too many plants in there. Any suggestions here?

I'm going to start buying materials soon, and will hopefully start construction today, otherwise tomorrow morning. So if you have any input, suggestions, criticisms, etc...they would be much appreciated. I'll take lots of pictures as I go. I'm so excited.

CB
 

commonbean

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I just thought of something. The bin dimensions are not going to the be same as my closet. I may have to use 2 smaller bins in the flower chamber to maximize the useable space. I'm looking into this.
 

commonbean

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More questions. I'm researching what bins to use for my stealth cabinet. How important is the total square feet of my bins vs that of my cabinet?

I have once again changed the dimensions of the cabinet. It will officially be about 25.75" x 35". This makes for a total of 901.24 sq inches, or about 6.26 sq ft. I'm going to use the 400 W lamp since the area is now larger. I have 2 options with the bins I use for my reservoir. I could either use 1 bin that is 643.45 sq inches (4.47 sq ft), or I could use 4 bins that would give a total area of 781.375 sq inches (5.426 sq ft). So by using 4 bins I would get about an additional square foot.

But does the bin size matter? Only the roots will be in the bin, the rest will be through the screen above the bin. So I'm trying to decide if it would be worth the trouble of setting up 4 separate bins vs setting up only 1 bin. There would be a lot of additional cost in setting it up if I used 4 bins. This would mean buying 4 bins, buying the bubblers for 4 bins, etc...

Is it worth it to go to the trouble of having 4 bins to fill the inside of the cabinet? I'm leaning toward just 1 bin, but am curious as to what people have to say.

CB
 

commonbean

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Hobbes, if you check back in, I got things started today. Not off to the best start, but I'll turn it around. I, of course, let my clones get too hot today so they got all wilted. I brought the temperature down and got the air circulating in there, tomorrow I need to get the ventilation put in. I understand now why people say to not start your grow until everything is ready.

I'll take some pics and get them up too.

Thanks for all your help. I'm probably going to need a lot more.
 

Hobbes

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Glad things are working out CB! :)

"But does the bin size matter? Only the roots will be in the bin,"

The roots are very important as they feed the stems that feed the buds that feed the trichomes that make the THCA and all the other tag-a-long cannaboids. Growing skill being equal, the larger bin/bucket will produce more bud. And require less frequent water changing.

Soilless
A 25" x 35" bin will be hard to take care of. You've got 81" (7'9") height which is plenty, you can use some 5 gallon buckets. If you could find some 10" or 11" square buckets (dog biscuit bucket from the grocery store ~ 10" square x 14" deep) you could run 2 buckets wide X 3 buckets long.

I find the depth of the buckets to be more important than the area with soilless, the medium dries slower from evaporation. With hydro you can do a Low Water Culture with 6" of depth.

If you could set up a screen for each bucket, or run a Crop Circle Of Bud (CCOB), you could run a continuous grow or take the buckets out of the garden if you want.

The indica dominant on the left is just under 6" from the top of the bucket, will take up about 1.5'sq, and will produce 2.5 - 3 oz.



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The 6" tall plant (left) from the top.




https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/211186-pics-my-garden-ssd-km.html

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DWC
A large Rubbermaid container would work well, and require only one water changing. SOG clones would work great.

"This would mean buying 4 bins, buying the bubblers for 4 bins, etc..."

4 buckets; 4 x lids for buckets; 2" hole saw drill bit; 4 x 2" mesh basket; 4 x 2" neoprene inserts; 4 air pumps (at least a large aquarium pump per bucket); 4 sets of air stones; hose, electrical power bar; twist tie wire.

If you're growing vertical instead of CCOB: 4 x tomato cages; bamboo sticks to prop stems; duct tape to hold the tomato cages to the lids (bend the cage's legs in a circle and it stays on well, one of mine going on 2 years).

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bongsmilie
 
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