USA move closer to equality in wages

What will increasing the minimum accompish?

  • Make a lot of workers very happy, and boost the economy

  • Cost jobs and drive businesses into bankruptcy

  • Nothing

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StonyLaRoux

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ttystikk said:
I'll use my vote for its real purpose- which is not to choose which uncaring overlord gets to run the country for the benefit of those who would continue to exploit me.
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Well Chomsky, that does address the issue my inflamed friend. It shows how one should value their own time. It's not my responsibility to value you and determine what you are worth (time value of money because time is money and I value my time) You get paid relevant to what you bring to the table. You are getting low balled, either you bring nothing or don't understand the rules that society is playing by. What is it that burger flippers, grocery baggers, waiters do that bring value to anyone outside of you at that instance when you needed a fork. If anything, this corporation brought in extra people, at an extra cost, so you would come visit. McD can pay better wages if each store cut Labor in half. That would mean long waits, precooked (more than usual) to keep up demand but slack quality, or cook to order which would better quality but drive wait times.

Im getting the feeling you don't know how business works or have not been in a management position because this is business 101, how not to fail immediately and go on welfare with a wife and children to support while owing creditors for the start up, over head, insurance, fees, licencing, signage, labor cost, inventory cost, utility cost, transportation cost, marketing cost, advertising so people know you exist.

Just like all the other stickies outside the noobie zone (I am a noob at growing). Go read something before you start posting because this is like arguing Red with a color blind person.

Life is real easy when you don't have any responsibilities. This also means you have time to build definitions for things you don't know about while others are actually learning the inner workings.

Show me how much you care about poor people by throwing away your computer, smart phone, Jordans, disconnect the internet and turn off all the power and burn you cloths because there is no "made in the 1st world" sticker on any of that. Middle eastern oil for your car, assuming you cannot afford a Prius let alone a Tesla, African precious metals, Chinese assembly labor, Indian circuit boards.

India, materials are expensive and labor is extremely cheap. Why? there are 1,000 people to replace a single job.
Hell, you are not even the one they are trying to exploit. They just need to make a sale so they can continue exploiting 3rd world countries. Wal-Mart has no problem filling positions and everyone that applies there knows it's crap. Here is what they offer besides money: easy hours, flexible hours (open 24hrs), 401k (it is money but not take home), INSURANCE.
Insurance drove the cost of labor out the fucking window. Does a healthy 22 year old need the same health insurance as a 70 year old? You answer that for yourself, but pretend this decision affects you too
 
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Padawanbater2

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StonyLaRoux said:
Well Chomsky, that does address the issue my inflamed friend. It shows how one should value their own time. It's not my responsibility to value you and determine what you are worth (time value of money because time is money and I value my time) You get paid relevant to what you bring to the table. You are getting low balled, either you bring nothing or don't understand the rules that society is playing by. What is it that burger flippers, grocery baggers, waiters do that bring value to anyone outside of you at that instance when you needed a fork. If anything, this corporation brought in extra people, at an extra cost, so you would come visit. McD can pay better wages if each store cut Labor in half. That would mean long waits, precooked (more than usual) to keep up demand but slack quality, or cook to order which would better quality but drive wait times.

Im getting the feeling you don't know how business works or have not been in a management position because this is business 101, how not to fail immediately and go on welfare with a wife and children to support while owing creditors for the start up, over head, insurance, fees, licencing, signage, labor cost, inventory cost, utility cost, transportation cost, marketing cost, advertising so people know you exist.

Just like all the other stickies outside the noobie zone (I am a noob at growing). Go read something before you start posting because this is like arguing Red with a color blind person.
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You're ignorant if you think your mentality is normal in business. Your attitude is the reason many of today's problems exist, people used to grow up believing that nonsense and we're seeing the consequences of it surface in things from climate change to the prison industrial complex. Bad business practices produce bad results. Paying people slave wages because you want to increase your profits is a bad business practice and one that is only allowed to continue to happen because of the corporate influence on American politics and lack of strong union membership.
 
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ChesusRice

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ttystikk said:
I'll use my vote for its real purpose- which is not to choose which uncaring overlord gets to run the country for the benefit of those who would continue to exploit me.

Stupidity would be believing that Mrs Clinton will do a damn thing to help you.
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So giving your vote to Trump is much better.
You are a fucking genius
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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StonyLaRoux said:
Well Chomsky, that does address the issue my inflamed friend. It shows how one should value their own time. It's not my responsibility to value you and determine what you are worth (time value of money because time is money and I value my time) You get paid relevant to what you bring to the table. You are getting low balled, either you bring nothing or don't understand the rules that society is playing by. What is it that burger flippers, grocery baggers, waiters do that bring value to anyone outside of you at that instance when you needed a fork. If anything, this corporation brought in extra people, at an extra cost, so you would come visit. McD can pay better wages if each store cut Labor in half. That would mean long waits, precooked (more than usual) to keep up demand but slack quality, or cook to order which would better quality but drive wait times.

Im getting the feeling you don't know how business works or have not been in a management position because this is business 101, how not to fail immediately and go on welfare with a wife and children to support while owing creditors for the start up, over head, insurance, fees, licencing, signage, labor cost, inventory cost, utility cost, transportation cost, marketing cost, advertising so people know you exist.

Just like all the other stickies outside the noobie zone (I am a noob at growing). Go read something before you start posting because this is like arguing Red with a color blind person.

Life is real easy when you don't have any responsibilities. This also means you have time to build definitions for things you don't know about while others are actually learning the inner workings.

Show me how much you care about poor people by throwing away your computer, smart phone, Jordans, disconnect the internet and turn off all the power and burn you cloths because there is no "made in the 1st world" sticker on any of that. Middle eastern oil for your car, assuming you cannot afford a Prius let alone a Tesla, African precious metals, Chinese assembly labor, Indian circuit boards.

India, materials are expensive and labor is extremely cheap. Why? there are 1,000 people to replace a single job.
Hell, you are not even the one they are trying to exploit. They just need to make a sale so they can continue exploiting 3rd world countries. Wal-Mart has no problem filling positions and everyone that applies there knows it's crap. Here is what they offer besides money: easy hours, flexible hours (open 24hrs), 401k (it is money but not take home), INSURANCE.
Insurance drove the cost of labor out the fucking window. Does a healthy 22 year old need the same health insurance as a 70 year old? You answer that for yourself, but pretend this decision affects you too
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You sooooooooo don't know a single thing about me, my business experience, ethics, goals or abilities.

You're a selfish hack, and your employees hate you.
 
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StonyLaRoux

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Padawanbater2 said:
You're ignorant if you think your mentality is normal in business. Your attitude is the reason many of today's problems exist, people used to grow up believing that nonsense and we're seeing the consequences of it surface in things from climate change to the prison industrial complex. Bad business practices produce bad results. Paying people slave wages because you want to increase your profits is a bad business practice and one that is only allowed to continue to happen because of the corporate influence on American politics and lack of strong union membership.
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My mentality: Shit costs money. I need to cover cost and make a profit. Business works like this Sir: Profit = Revenue - Cost.
I can name all the costs again for you if you need to be educated but I feel it is a waste of my time. What is profit you ask.

Profit: a financial gain, especially the difference between the amount earned and the amount spent in buying, operating, or producing something.

Revenue: Revenue is the amount of money that a company actually receives during a specific period, including discounts and deductions for returned merchandise. It is the "top line" or "gross income" figure from which costs are subtracted to determine net income.

Before we begin, lets start with the idea that you owe money for your living arrangement with the cost of food, utilities, insurance, Rent, car payment, children, a wife of some sort (I understand it can be a man or inanimate object now) and so on and so on. Mind you, refusing payment would mean someone down the line misses their paycheck because of your decision.

Cost: an amount that has to be paid or spent to buy or obtain something. (by both the producer and consumer)
Types of cost:
  • Direct cost: A direct cost is a price that can be completely attributed to the production of specific goods or services. Direct costs refer to materials, labor and expenses related to the production of a product.
  • Indirect costs: Other costs, such as depreciation or administrative expenses, are more difficult to assign to a specific product
  • Fixed cost: A fixed cost is a cost that does not change with an increase or decrease in the amount of goods or services produced. Fixed costs are expenses that have to be paid by a company, independent of any business activity. It is one of the two components of the total cost of a good or service, along with variable cost.
  • Variable Cost: A variable cost is a corporate expense that varies with production output. Variable costs are those costs that vary depending on a company's production volume; they rise as production increases and fall as production decreases. Variable costs differ from fixed costs such as rent, advertising, insurance and office supplies, which tend to remain the same regardless of production output. Fixed costs and variable costs comprise total cost.
  • Operating Cost:
    Operating costs are expenses associated with the maintenance and administration of a business on a day-to-day basis. The operating cost is a component of operating income and is usually reflected on a company’s income statement. While operating costs generally do not include capital outlays, they can include many components of operating a business including:
    The formula for operating cost can be expressed in the following way:

    Operating Cost = Cost of Goods Sold - Operating Expenses


    So now you can start making informed decisions. Your welcome. Next is business ethics and we can go into the different schools of thought. I saw somebody mention Kantian theory applied to business a few pages ago. So study then come back.
 
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ChesusRice

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StonyLaRoux said:
That is worse prospect as she has yet to hit an accomplishment worth talking about, Bill's don't count. Was she successful as Secretary of State. She has to be. How else do you get that rich working as a public servant?
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inside information.
And she pushed for universal health care in 92
 
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StonyLaRoux

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ChesusRice said:
inside information.
And she pushed for universal health care in 92
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Whitewater, Goldman Sachs, Monica, the other whores she smeared (Bill's sexual assaults, by today's definition defined by her, and her involvement in covering them up while an active feminist), her appointed position of responsibility as Secretary of State (her responsibility for defending American soil of embassies, Libya to be exact), hidden e-mails, paid speeches to "failed practices" financial institutions, continues pandering to anyone with a bleeding heart.
 
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ChesusRice

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StonyLaRoux said:
Whitewater, Goldman Sachs, Monica, the other whores she smeared (Bill's sexual assaults, by today's definition defined by her, and her involvement in covering them up while an active feminist), her appointed position of responsibility as Secretary of State (her responsibility for defending American soil of embassies, Libya to be exact), hidden e-mails, paid speeches to "failed practices" financial institutions, continues pandering to anyone with a bleeding heart.
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So Cruz didn't make it and your voting for Trump
 
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StonyLaRoux

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ttystikk said:
You sooooooooo don't know a single thing about me, my business experience, ethics, goals or abilities.

You're a selfish hack, and your employees hate you.
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Are you even in business ?
My employees keep coming back. Why you ask? Success. That's why. I never said I was the best but I will give them everything I have because that what a boss does, everything in my power to make them more profitable in their future en devours. I don't have to lash out with one sentence remarks, we are more mature than that. We encourage each other and strive for success as a team. One team, one dream. Success can be put to alot of things. Personal goals, professional goals, spiritual goals. We have social obligations and spiritual aspirations. How we balance these determines how much respect we get. I have no interest in your respect as it won't get me paid, laid, or make me happy. You are worthless to me because you have shown no value or insight, other than "sombody doesn't agree with me. Nazi....." And by your writing style, I can assume you don't make decisions that impact anyone important in the supply chain. This is a Market Place of Free Ideas and cream, along with shit, floats.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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StonyLaRoux said:
Are even in business or typing this from a dorm room?
My employees keep coming back. Why you ask? Success. That's why. I never said I was the best but I will give them everything I have because that what a boss does, everything in my power to make them more profitable in their future en devours. I don't have to lash out with one sentence remarks, we are more mature than that. We encourage each other and strive for success as a team. One team, one dream. Success can be put to alot of things. Personal goals, professional goals, spiritual goals. We have social obligations and spiritual aspirations. How we balance these determines how much respect we get. I have no interest in your respect as it won't get me paid, laid, or make me happy. You are worthless to me because you have shown no value or insight, other than "sombody doesn't agree with me. Nazi....." And by your writing style, I can assume you don't make decisions that impact anyone important in the supply chain. This is a Market Place of Free Ideas and cream, along with shit, floats.
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You run your business your way, I'll run mine my way.
 
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NLXSK1

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Blunted 4 lyfe said:
It always baffles me that they think that just because they're entitled to make opinions about this issue they somehow think it's a fact.

You would think that the party that always brings up the economy would know this, increasing the minimum wage puts more money in people's pockets who in turn spend it driving the economy, duh!

They know this but GREED prevails from the small business owners to big corporations.

B4L
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You are not increasing the economy with this. You are taking money from one pocket and putting it in the other and declaring it income. Taking from one person and giving to another does not create economic activity.
 
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