USA Midterm Election Night

vervejunkie

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Just wanted to bump the thread to add that the Missouri Stem Cell Research initiative PASSED*!

Lets hope they cure cancer with this technology so the hard-right (at times needed) evangelicals (meh...) can stop preaching our futures, and start providing for futures.

*Human cloning is not allowed
 

Doobie006

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Thanks for the good info Verve.
Finally some people are choosing Reason and logic over faith.

Oh, and Fuck the Evangelicals. They should be denied any future cures that come from stem-cell research. If an evangelical gets cancer or parkinsons let that motherfucker pray his way out of it.
 

medicineman

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Thanks for the good info Verve.
Finally some people are choosing Reason and logic over faith.

Oh, and Fuck the Evangelicals. They should be denied any future cures that come from stem-cell research. If an evangelical gets cancer or parkinsons let that motherfucker pray his way out of it.
10-4................
 

ViRedd

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Thanks for the good info Verve.
Finally some people are choosing Reason and logic over faith.

Oh, and Fuck the Evangelicals. They should be denied any future cures that come from stem-cell research. If an evangelical gets cancer or parkinsons let that motherfucker pray his way out of it.
So, you would deny them religious freedom? Why not just reintroduce the Salem Witch Trials?

Vi
 

Doobie006

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Don't read so much into that Vi, I was simply making a point.
You know that as a Libertarian, I'm for religious freedom. But I also have the right to hate the evangelicals and tear them down whenever possible. (And I will continue to do so).

Similarly, on Gay Marriage; The thought of two men fudge packing each other makes me want to puke. But neither I nor the government have the right to impose our views on them.
 

medicineman

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So, you would deny them religious freedom? Why not just reintroduce the Salem Witch Trials?

Vi
here's a timeline for you:
January 20 Nine-year-old Elizabeth Parris and eleven-year-old Abigail Williams began to exhibit strange behavior, such as blasphemous screaming, convulsive seizures, trance-like states and mysterious spells. Within a short time, several other Salem girls began to demonstrate similar behavior. Mid-February Unable to determine any physical cause for the symptoms and dreadful behavior, physicians concluded that the girls were under the influence of Satan. Late February Prayer services and community fasting were conducted by Reverend Samuel Parris in hopes of relieving the evil forces that plagued them. In an effort to expose the "witches", John Indian baked a witch cake made with rye meal and the afflicted girls' urine. This counter-magic was meant to reveal the identities of the "witches" to the afflicted girls. Pressured to identify the source of their affliction, the girls named three women, including Tituba, Parris' Carib Indian slave, as witches. On February 29, warrants were issued for the arrests of Tituba, Sarah Good and Sarah Osborne.
Although Osborne and Good maintained innocence, Tituba confessed to seeing the devil who appeared to her "sometimes like a hog and sometimes like a great dog". What's more, Tituba testified that there was a conspiracy of witches at work in Salem.
March 1 Magistrates John Hathorne and Jonathan Corwin examined Tituba, Sarah Good, and Sarah Osborne in the meeting house in Salem Village. Tituba confessed to practicing witchcraft. Over the next weeks, other townspeople came forward and testified that they, too, had been harmed by or had seen strange apparitions of some of the community members. As the witch hunt continued, accusations were made against many different people.
Frequently denounced were women whose behavior or economic circumstances were somehow disturbing to the social order and conventions of the time. Some of the accused had previous records of criminal activity, including witchcraft, but others were faithful churchgoers and people of high standing in the community.
March 12 Martha Corey is accused of witchcraft. March 19 Rebecca Nurse was denounced as a witch. March 21 Martha Corey was examined before Magistrates Hathorne and Corwin. March 24 Rebecca Nurse was examined before Magistrates Hathorne and Corwin. March 28 Elizabeth Proctor was denounced as a witch. April 3 Sarah Cloyce, Rebecca Nurse's sister, was accused of witchcraft. April 11 Elizabeth Proctor and Sarah Cloyce were examined before Hathorne, Corwin, Deputy Governor Thomas Danforth, and Captain Samuel Sewall. During this examination, John Proctor was also accused and imprisoned. April 19 Abigail Hobbs, Bridget Bishop, Giles Corey, and Mary Warren were examined. Only Abigail Hobbs confessed. William Hobbs
"I can deny it to my dying day."
April 22 Nehemiah Abbott, William and Deliverance Hobbs, Edward and Sarah Bishop, Mary Easty, Mary Black, Sarah Wildes, and Mary English were examined before Hathorne and Corwin. Only Nehemiah Abbott was cleared of charges. May 2 Sarah Morey, Lydia Dustin, Susannah Martin, and Dorcas Hoar were examined by Hathorne and Corwin. Dorcas Hoar
"I will speak the truth as long as I live."
May 4 George Burroughs was arrested in Wells, Maine. May 9 Burroughs was examined by Hathorne, Corwin, Sewall, and William Stoughton. One of the afflicted girls, Sarah Churchill, was also examined. May 10 George Jacobs, Sr. and his granddaughter Margaret were examined before Hathorne and Corwin. Margaret confessed and testified that her grandfather and George Burroughs were both witches. Sarah Osborne died in prison in Boston.
Margaret Jacobs
"... They told me if I would not confess I should be put down into the dungeon and would be hanged, but if I would confess I should save my life."
May 14 Increase Mather returned from England, bringing with him a new charter and the new governor, Sir William Phips. May 18 Mary Easty was released from prison. Yet, due to the outcries and protests of her accusers, she was arrested a second time. May 27 Governor Phips set up a special Court of Oyer and Terminer comprised of seven judges to try the witchcraft cases. Appointed were Lieutenant Governor William Stoughton, Nathaniel Saltonstall, Bartholomew Gedney, Peter Sergeant, Samuel Sewall, Wait Still Winthrop, John Richards, John Hathorne, and Jonathan Corwin. These magistrates based their judgments and evaluations on various kinds of intangible evidence, including direct confessions, supernatural attributes (such as "witchmarks"), and reactions of the afflicted girls. Spectral evidence, based on the assumption that the Devil could assume the "specter" of an innocent person, was relied upon despite its controversial nature.
May 31 Martha Carrier, John Alden, Wilmott Redd, Elizabeth Howe, and Phillip English were examined before Hathorne, Corwin, and Gedney. June 2 Initial session of the Court of Oyer and Terminer. Bridget Bishop was the first to be pronounced guilty of witchcraft and condemned to death. Early June Soon after Bridget Bishop's trial, Nathaniel Saltonstall resigned from the court, dissatisfied with its proceedings. June 10 Bridget Bishop was hanged in Salem, the first official execution of the Salem witch trials. Bridget Bishop
"I am no witch. I am innocent. I know nothing of it."
Following her death, accusations of witchcraft escalated, but the trials were not unopposed. Several townspeople signed petitions on behalf of accused people they believed to be innocent.
June 29-30 Rebecca Nurse, Susannah Martin, Sarah Wildes, Sarah Good and Elizabeth Howe were tried for witchcraft and condemned. Rebecca Nurse
"Oh Lord, help me! It is false. I am clear. For my life now lies in your hands...."
Mid-July In an effort to expose the witches afflicting his life, Joseph Ballard of nearby Andover enlisted the aid of the accusing girls of Salem. This action marked the beginning of the Andover witch hunt. July 19 Rebecca Nurse, Susannah Martin, Elizabeth Howe, Sarah Good, and Sarah Wildes were executed. Elizabeth Howe
"If it was the last moment I was to live, God knows I am innocent..."
Susannah Martin
&quotI have no hand in witchcraft."
August 2-6 George Jacobs, Sr., Martha Carrier, George Burroughs, John and Elizabeth Proctor, and John Willard were tried for witchcraft and condemned. Martha Carrier
"...I am wronged. It is a shameful thing that you should mind these folks that are out of their wits."
August 19 George Jacobs, Sr., Martha Carrier, George Burroughs, John Proctor, and John Willard were hanged on Gallows Hill. George Jacobs
"Because I am falsely accused. I never did it."
September 9 Martha Corey, Mary Easty, Alice Parker, Ann Pudeator, Dorcas Hoar, and Mary Bradbury were tried and condemned. Mary Bradbury
"I do plead not guilty. I am wholly innocent of such wickedness."
September 17 Margaret Scott, Wilmott Redd, Samuel Wardwell, Mary Parker, Abigail Faulkner, Rebecca Eames, Mary Lacy, Ann Foster, and Abigail Hobbs were tried and condemned. September 19 Giles Corey was pressed to death for refusing a trial. September 21 Dorcas Hoar was the first of those pleading innocent to confess. Her execution was delayed. September 22 Martha Corey, Margaret Scott, Mary Easty, Alice Parker, Ann Pudeator, Wilmott Redd, Samuel Wardwell, and Mary Parker were hanged. October 8 After 20 people had been executed in the Salem witch hunt, Thomas Brattle wrote a letter criticizing the witchcraft trials. This letter had great impact on Governor Phips, who ordered that reliance on spectral and intangible evidence no longer be allowed in trials. October 29 Governor Phips dissolved the Court of Oyer and Terminer. November 25 The General Court of the colony created the Superior Court to try the remaining witchcraft cases which took place in May, 1693. This time no one was convicted. Mary Easty
"...if it be possible no more innocent blood be shed...
...I am Salem Witch Trials Chronology
 

Doobie006

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The salem witch trials are a perfect example of Ignorance.
Again, the root of the problem; Religion.
The evangelicals of today remind me of the puritans in the 17th century.
 

Dankdude

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Doobie, why is it that you think all relicious people are mentally Ill?

I happen to be religious, but I don't let that effect my common sense.
 

Doobie006

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Med...
Thanx for the info, but I'm very familiar with the salem witch trials. Early american history (pre-revolution) used to be one of my favorite subjects as a matter of fact. But again, thanx for the reminder Med.
 

Doobie006

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Doobie, why is it that you think all relicious people are mentally Ill?

I happen to be religious, but I don't let that effect my common sense.

Not All, but generally speaking; many... Some more than others.
After reading some of your posts, Dank. I could tell you're a pretty sensible person. But go on a Christian chatroom, and converse with some of those people, and you'll see what I'm talking about.
 

medicineman

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Not All, but generally speaking; many... Some more than others.
After reading some of your posts, Dank. I could tell you're a pretty sensible person. But go on a Christian chatroom, and converse with some of those people, and you'll see what I'm talking about.
I'm kind of in a state of not knowing about the evangelicals predictions, they could be right! on the other hand this planet has probably got a couple thousand years of mankind left on it if man gets it together amd stops global warming and gets rid of nuclear arms etc. I'm kinda leaning towards the Armegeddon scenario as I've watched Mankind for 60+ years and haven't been impressed with their peace making abilities. Seems like they use every weapon they've invented, and it takes only one Idiot to start the end! Gw Bush or Aminimijad or whatever the fuck his name is or our friend in N. Korea or the islamists in Pakistan, or the Indians, Hell it only takes one mistake and kaboom were all dust, so the armegeddon scenario sounds more probable. I don't think I'll buy any 30 year bonds!
 

Doobie006

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Med...
Even if mankind did kill itself (which is definitely a possibility), it does not mean that the evangelical beliefs and the bible was right. It would be nothing more than coincidence.

I could make plenty of predictions and I guarantee you that some of them will come true, but that does not make me a psychic, or an oracle.

Of course if some of them came true and I DID claim to be a psychic, I'm certain that I'll find plenty of suckers to believe me.

Evangelicals = Suckers
 

medicineman

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Med...
Even if mankind did kill itself (which is definitely a possibility), it does not mean that the evangelical beliefs and the bible was right. It would be nothing more than coincidence.

I could make plenty of predictions and I guarantee you that some of them will come true, but that does not make me a psychic, or an oracle.

Of course if some of them came true and I DID claim to be a psychic, I'm certain that I'll find plenty of suckers to believe me.

Evangelicals = Suckers
I'm not giving the evangelicals all the credit here, I'm more than less blaming the state of mankind and the availability of destructive devices!
 
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