Sincerely420
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Found a NICE read pertaining to organic gardening and thought I'd share it 
http://www.organicgardening.com/learn-and-grow/compost-soil/soil
http://www.organicgardening.com/learn-and-grow/compost-soil/soil
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Dr.J20
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So would it be a shortcut to an AACT recipe to take something like FF happy frog, add some alfalfa meal and molasses, and brew that shit up? I mean obviously it would be wise to do an accurate cross reference but the general idea here is to buy a small bag of some kind of organic mix, add some compost or ewc, some carbs, and some organic matter, and voila, everything you need to assemble an AACT? or are the ratios of the things you need all thrown off by having 'em in the bag mixed up?
Sincerely420
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It wouldn't be a shortcut bro, it'd be a descent AACT to take "FF happy frog, add some alfalfa meal and molasses, and brew that shit up".
Better to use something like Kelp meal as it provides a lot of different thing in a general tea application.
Kelp Meal is know for its growth enhancing hormones and also helps to build up fungi in teas we brew. Mostly everything else will multiply bacteria in substantial numbers it seems. I use liquid fish as well(Neptunes Harvest)
But basically you want to multiply microbes in the tea. You add the amendments and compost of your choice(or EWCs) to introduce the microbes to the environment.
The molasses and the oxygenation are supplied to feed the herd of microbes and keep the aerobic. In turn they're mulitipled.
Ratios are important tho as too much of anything is never good. And you gotta find out what adds what to your teas so that you know what you're adding.
Finding the balance is the magic...IDK if I have yet tho. I've used lots of different tea mixtures to this point just to keep it varying and I've seen nothing but green outta my plants.
I use a gallon jug of water to brew in and a 10gal fish tank pump to inject oxygen.
These are all the things that I've used to make my teas to date.
http://shop.fifthseasongardening.com/algamin-kelp-meal-5lb/dp/2714 <-KELP MEAL
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0001WV6GY/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00 <-INDONESIAN BAT GUANO
http://shop.fifthseasongardening.com/worm-castings-wiggle-worm-white-30lb/dp/4810 <-EWC's for compost
http://shop.fifthseasongardening.com/ocean-forest-1-5-cu-ft/dp/3250 <- FFOF(my amended mix for compost)
http://shop.fifthseasongardening.com/neptunes-fish/dp/11671 <-Neptune's Harvest Liquid Fish
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Grandma-39-s-Original-Unsulphured-Molasses-12-oz/15716722 <- Unsulphured Molasses
There are a TON of things you can mix and match to use bro. There's nothing specific.
When I run out of the amendments I have, I'll try like Liquid Seaweed instead of liquid fish..Start using alfalfa meal as well.
Theres a lot of shit out there bro...I just have what I for a start so to speak...The more I learn, the more different things I'll try .
Try to find a book called Teaming With Microbes. The answers your looking for are there for sure bro. Good luck
Better to use something like Kelp meal as it provides a lot of different thing in a general tea application.
Kelp Meal is know for its growth enhancing hormones and also helps to build up fungi in teas we brew. Mostly everything else will multiply bacteria in substantial numbers it seems. I use liquid fish as well(Neptunes Harvest)
But basically you want to multiply microbes in the tea. You add the amendments and compost of your choice(or EWCs) to introduce the microbes to the environment.
The molasses and the oxygenation are supplied to feed the herd of microbes and keep the aerobic. In turn they're mulitipled.
Ratios are important tho as too much of anything is never good. And you gotta find out what adds what to your teas so that you know what you're adding.
Finding the balance is the magic...IDK if I have yet tho. I've used lots of different tea mixtures to this point just to keep it varying and I've seen nothing but green outta my plants.
I use a gallon jug of water to brew in and a 10gal fish tank pump to inject oxygen.
These are all the things that I've used to make my teas to date.
http://shop.fifthseasongardening.com/algamin-kelp-meal-5lb/dp/2714 <-KELP MEAL
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0001WV6GY/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00 <-INDONESIAN BAT GUANO
http://shop.fifthseasongardening.com/worm-castings-wiggle-worm-white-30lb/dp/4810 <-EWC's for compost
http://shop.fifthseasongardening.com/ocean-forest-1-5-cu-ft/dp/3250 <- FFOF(my amended mix for compost)
http://shop.fifthseasongardening.com/neptunes-fish/dp/11671 <-Neptune's Harvest Liquid Fish
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Grandma-39-s-Original-Unsulphured-Molasses-12-oz/15716722 <- Unsulphured Molasses
There are a TON of things you can mix and match to use bro. There's nothing specific.
When I run out of the amendments I have, I'll try like Liquid Seaweed instead of liquid fish..Start using alfalfa meal as well.
Theres a lot of shit out there bro...I just have what I for a start so to speak...The more I learn, the more different things I'll try .
Try to find a book called Teaming With Microbes. The answers your looking for are there for sure bro. Good luck
Dr.J20
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hey man thanks for the response! I'm reading teeming with microbes this weekend...so far its awesome! So yeah ok I'll go ahead with my theory...gonna do 5 gallon brews with two airstones and a 100gal pump...i hope i'm not pissing up a rope with this endeavor though, i'm gonna be doing hempy and my medium is inert so i m gonna plan on applying teas once every week or two weeks but I'm worried about the pH differences...looks like a lot of teas can be almost alkaline (pH > 7-7.5ish) and for Hempy watering pHs are really best between 5.8 and 6.4...oh well we'll see!It wouldn't be a shortcut bro, it'd be a descent AACT to take "FF happy frog, add some alfalfa meal and molasses, and brew that shit up".
Better to use something like Kelp meal as it provides a lot of different thing in a general tea application.
Kelp Meal is know for its growth enhancing hormones and also helps to build up fungi in teas we brew. Mostly everything else will multiply bacteria in substantial numbers it seems. I use liquid fish as well(Neptunes Harvest)
But basically you want to multiply microbes in the tea. You add the amendments and compost of your choice(or EWCs) to introduce the microbes to the environment.
The molasses and the oxygenation are supplied to feed the herd of microbes and keep the aerobic. In turn they're mulitipled.
Ratios are important tho as too much of anything is never good. And you gotta find out what adds what to your teas so that you know what you're adding.
Finding the balance is the magic...IDK if I have yet tho. I've used lots of different tea mixtures to this point just to keep it varying and I've seen nothing but green outta my plants.
I use a gallon jug of water to brew in and a 10gal fish tank pump to inject oxygen.
These are all the things that I've used to make my teas to date.
http://shop.fifthseasongardening.com/algamin-kelp-meal-5lb/dp/2714 <-KELP MEAL
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0001WV6GY/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00 <-INDONESIAN BAT GUANO
http://shop.fifthseasongardening.com/worm-castings-wiggle-worm-white-30lb/dp/4810 <-EWC's for compost
http://shop.fifthseasongardening.com/ocean-forest-1-5-cu-ft/dp/3250 <- FFOF(my amended mix for compost)
http://shop.fifthseasongardening.com/neptunes-fish/dp/11671 <-Neptune's Harvest Liquid Fish
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Grandma-39-s-Original-Unsulphured-Molasses-12-oz/15716722 <- Unsulphured Molasses
There are a TON of things you can mix and match to use bro. There's nothing specific.
When I run out of the amendments I have, I'll try like Liquid Seaweed instead of liquid fish..Start using alfalfa meal as well.
Theres a lot of shit out there bro...I just have what I for a start so to speak...The more I learn, the more different things I'll try .
Try to find a book called Teaming With Microbes. The answers your looking for are there for sure bro. Good luck
Be easy,
Dr.J
Sincerely420
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Well.....if your mediums are pretty inert, applying teas won't do much for you bro.
Applying teas feed the soil which in turn feed the plant. Whats you medium consist of?
Applying teas feed the soil which in turn feed the plant. Whats you medium consist of?
Dr.J20
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what about using AACT for mycorrhizal inoculation in the root zone? I'm planning on using hydro-organic nutrients which still need to be broken down in the food web... I'm debating 100% perlite v. coco/perlite v. traditional hempy mix (perlite:vermiculite)...I'm still looking into this because I'm not entirely sure AACT wont do anything, just not as much as it would in soil, and there is also the prospect of foliar feeding with aact to help fight off pests, thrive through stress, and beat bad fungus and bacteria....also, the plural of medium is media.
be easy,
Dr.J
Bud Brewer
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I use a few things moittly alfalfa a cup worth with two cups water I just keep adding and blending till I got three cups I put that in a gallon along with a tbsp of apple cider vinegar and molasses then I add a b-complex and let it ferment for a few weeks shacking it up every couple of days with a loose lid then use one cup of that per gallon.
I have brewed coffee twelve cups to two gallon with the grounds as top dressing.
I use a cup of blended oats with vinegar and molasses to two gallons water.
Also expired and fresh milk at two tbsp per gallon in flower.
I add sea salt at a half tsp to a gallon every other watering.
Every once I while I use urine starting at 20 to 1 for small plants then 10 to 1 for bigger plants when I think they need a shot of nitrogen.
Earth worm castings at one cup per gallon for large plants.
I also blend leaf one cup to a gallon and let it ferment with the usual goodies.
My plants are loving It a couple of weeks to go.
I have brewed coffee twelve cups to two gallon with the grounds as top dressing.
I use a cup of blended oats with vinegar and molasses to two gallons water.
Also expired and fresh milk at two tbsp per gallon in flower.
I add sea salt at a half tsp to a gallon every other watering.
Every once I while I use urine starting at 20 to 1 for small plants then 10 to 1 for bigger plants when I think they need a shot of nitrogen.
Earth worm castings at one cup per gallon for large plants.
I also blend leaf one cup to a gallon and let it ferment with the usual goodies.
My plants are loving It a couple of weeks to go.
Sincerely420
New Member
Last Ive read bro...
If you're gonna add mycos to that AACTs, you should do it within that last couple hours or so becuase it'll develop into a bioslime like jelly substance.
I just got some mycos and had plants that were well established, so I sprinkled 3 tsp over the topsoil and watered them nicely.
Looks like I still seem some spores on top of the soil, but not even a percentage of what prob. worked it's way in, given I sprinkled 3tsps on top of each.(1tsp per gallon of soil).
Normally you wanna treat the roots with mycos during transpant tho.
And if you can build up and restore your source of humus, teas would do you a lot better.
But you'd be right on to foliar feed for for pest protection.
I just know so far that the better the soil, the more the teas are gonna do.
A little reading and research and I'm sure you'll be good bro. I'm still trying to sort thru all this ish. In a decade I should be good haha
Sincerely420
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^^^^^ Just an example of all the different things you can do heyy
mushead
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what kind of aloe you guys like? ive been tring it out for my neem spray but i like yucca much better. mine seems to have a decent amount of sodium in it, not sure why its so high. also i use to crush up and burn egg shells, or oyster shells, burn them into a powder with a torch and add it to vinegar for about a week, strain(if needed) and dilute with water. now i dont have time but i found a different product i like the sounds of, algeacal. buddy of mine grows vegan and swears by it. anyone else?
King Cobra
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Hi all.
Dryed crushed beetles, go to your local pet store they sell all sorts of bugs there for pet food. Also horse poo is a good one for outdoor. A friend told me organic green tea, aloe vera juice(cold pressed). Keep your fish bones or go to your local fish monger they always have loads..then dry the bones in the oven( slowly on a very low temp) eventually the fishy smell will be minimal, then grind the to a powder and mix into your soil. Seaweed is probably the best fert in the world for plants, almost every bottled fert contains it and its the fastest growing plant in the world. Did you know that the waste from your septic tank gets sprayed onto the fields in farming countries to fertilize the soil. Just imagine how many times your tap water has passed through the sewage system and been cleaned and drunk again and agian!!Goes to show--humans have been fertilizers from day one!!
Dryed crushed beetles, go to your local pet store they sell all sorts of bugs there for pet food. Also horse poo is a good one for outdoor. A friend told me organic green tea, aloe vera juice(cold pressed). Keep your fish bones or go to your local fish monger they always have loads..then dry the bones in the oven( slowly on a very low temp) eventually the fishy smell will be minimal, then grind the to a powder and mix into your soil. Seaweed is probably the best fert in the world for plants, almost every bottled fert contains it and its the fastest growing plant in the world. Did you know that the waste from your septic tank gets sprayed onto the fields in farming countries to fertilize the soil. Just imagine how many times your tap water has passed through the sewage system and been cleaned and drunk again and agian!!Goes to show--humans have been fertilizers from day one!!
ecsdf1
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http://www.researchgate.net/publication/14711855_The_microbiology_of_bottled_natural_mineral_waters
Snaf,
The Perrier is alive!
Snaf,
The Perrier is alive!
leadtrimmer1
Member
That sounds very... unnecessary haha #amendments
Cann
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Perrier: Nestle. If you know anything about Nestle you won't use Perrier, San Pellegrino, Acqua Panna, Pure Life, Poland Springs, Ice Mountain, etc. All bottled water is terrible...but that is besides the point. Nestle is a horrible, horrible corporation. When you buy bottled water from Nestle, or any bottled water for that manner, you have no idea what could be in that bottle...and neither does the company selling it. You are much better off with clean creek water, or rainwater, etc. if you are looking for minerals/micronutrients. Fuck bottled water, and Fuck Nestle. Can't believe folks in the organics section would advise this type of behavior...
If anyone is curious, or wants to know why using Perrier is absurd, here are a few great documentaries about bottled water. You will never purchase/drink bottled water after watching any one of these..
F.L.O.W. For Love Of Water : By Irena Salina
Tapped
Blue Gold: World Water Wars based of the book by Maude Barlow and Tony Clarke
If anyone is curious, or wants to know why using Perrier is absurd, here are a few great documentaries about bottled water. You will never purchase/drink bottled water after watching any one of these..
F.L.O.W. For Love Of Water : By Irena Salina
Tapped
Blue Gold: World Water Wars based of the book by Maude Barlow and Tony Clarke
ecsdf1
Active Member
unless you 2 only ride bicycles, refuse to wear shoes made by the hands of little foreign children, and do not use american currency for your day to day transactions than why would you waste your time informing me about how bad a certain type of water is? ( there are probably things about yourself you could change that would have a far greater impact imo)
" let he who is without sin cast the first stone" I thought this was "unconventional" not fascist organics. I am just looking for advice from open minded people p.s. im not dogging on you guys just saying nobody's perfect. If i wanna use perrier and seek advice on using perrier ......so be it you shouldn't try to shoot me down from some moral high ground.
" let he who is without sin cast the first stone" I thought this was "unconventional" not fascist organics. I am just looking for advice from open minded people p.s. im not dogging on you guys just saying nobody's perfect. If i wanna use perrier and seek advice on using perrier ......so be it you shouldn't try to shoot me down from some moral high ground.
Cann
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lol someone is bitter...
show me one peer reviewed legitimate scientific study highlighting the effects of carbonated water on the rhizosphere. there is a difference between unconventional and ignorant...
watch one of those documentaries and you will be biting your tongue lmao...keep on drinkin the nestle crap dude....see where that gets you. not trying to "shoot you down from my moral high ground" I just can't sit around on an organic forum and see people promoting the use of Nestle products without saying something...maybe if this was on the hydro forum I would let it pass and just laugh it off...but here its some bullshit. we are all growing organically because we care about the earth...using Nestle water for your ladies is akin to using miracle grow in my mind...your supporting the slow destruction of our mother! shouldn't be allowed...
that being said, if you really need your carbonated water, sodastream is a much better call. maybe try a sprouted seed enzyme tea and compare the results to carbonated water. you'll throw the bottles away and go buy 50lbs of barley seed lol...trust me
show me one peer reviewed legitimate scientific study highlighting the effects of carbonated water on the rhizosphere. there is a difference between unconventional and ignorant...
watch one of those documentaries and you will be biting your tongue lmao...keep on drinkin the nestle crap dude....see where that gets you. not trying to "shoot you down from my moral high ground" I just can't sit around on an organic forum and see people promoting the use of Nestle products without saying something...maybe if this was on the hydro forum I would let it pass and just laugh it off...but here its some bullshit. we are all growing organically because we care about the earth...using Nestle water for your ladies is akin to using miracle grow in my mind...your supporting the slow destruction of our mother! shouldn't be allowed...
that being said, if you really need your carbonated water, sodastream is a much better call. maybe try a sprouted seed enzyme tea and compare the results to carbonated water. you'll throw the bottles away and go buy 50lbs of barley seed lol...trust me
ecsdf1
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Cann -"show me one peer reviewed legitimate scientific study highlighting the effects of carbonated water on the rhizosphere. there is a difference between unconventional and ignorant"...
http://hortsci.ashspublications.org/content/32/7/1197.full.pdf+html
http://hortsci.ashspublications.org/content/32/7/1197.full.pdf+html