Tweed / DNA Genetics

oddish

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Odd really?....correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't tweed #1? How do you think you get to be in that position? You get into bed with th government.
I think they were #2 on paper, but Tweed is even more unique because it's the opposite.
You have to remember Chuck was the Liberal CFO and he, in some ways, founded Tweed.
This isn't them getting into bed with the government, this was the government opening an LP lol.
But again, everything he thought was going to be gravy got ruined by HC, so his little pet project kicked him out and life went on. Plenty of bad gambles and investments.
 

GrowRock

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1. I don't think "medical user" is *only* those who have a piece of paper from their doctor. Thousands of doctors aren't willing to sign, that doesn't make their patients less of a patient when they use the same medicine. If it was a harmful drug like morphine that would be a different discussion, but I truly cannot understand why some of you have your head so far up your ass about why someone smokes marijuana. If it's not harmful, who gives a flying fuck why they use it?

2. Many dispensaries are mom and pop shops, but the ones that are staying open right now (especially in Toronto) are the ones that are backed by LPs or big money. You think they raid 8 dispensaries on 1 block and leave the other 2 alone just because they didn't have enough proof to shut them down? No. It's because those 2 had the right backers and the right political ties to remain open doing exactly the same thing.

3. Tweed prices are out of control. Couldn't agree more. That said, they have 1 strain that's $6 a gram and it's still decent. It's less than I pay at the Compassion Club you love so much, so don't yell at me just because it's only 1 strain and it's a mediocre strain. It's a $6 sativa and I can't get that anywhere else other than a corner on Dundas. If I'm making honey or tincture, it works as well as most strains. The potency is there, the flavour profile and bag appeal are just shit.

4. Tweed forming movements and trying to take over the industry isn't evil as much as it is just business practices. I 100% see it from the patient perspective and it looks like Evil Corp, but the reality is that they've had to deal with hundreds of false promises from Health Canada at every step. When Tweed first got licensed, they believed they were joining a group of 12 approved LPs that would be selling *all* legal marijuana in the country. They knew *nothing* about marijuana and got into this business for the money. As they've learned that you can't hire tree growers to grow pot, they've also realized that this is going to be far more expensive and demanding than they expected. They began to buy up their competitors, expand their operations, build their own labs, lobby the government and do the big pharma thing. Make no mistake of it: Tweed is gearing up to fight Pfizer, not you and I. Pfizer is the one lobbying the government for synthetics and pills instead of the medicine you want - Tweed spends millions of dollars defending their right to produce the medicine we all want.

Damn their prices, their business practices, their ethics, their abuse of power and everything else, but I won't hate them for providing the medicine.
If you listened to their earnings call you would realize that their pricing doesn't make them rich.
If you see what they did with Bedrocan you would realize that lowering the price doesn't solve the problem either.
No matter what Tweed does, you guys are going to hate them. They're keeping a broad spectrum of strains, prices and options to the best of their legal ability.
I know you won't believe me and I'm ok with that, but the cost of running an LP is more than double what it costs to run any other grow you're comparing them to.
For Tweed, the fact that they hold so much on hand means they have to get a level 10 security vault - that vault alone probably set them back $250,000.
How did you think they were going to pay for that? $5 grams?

Blame HC, not the people who get fucked in the system.
When prohibition happened did you take pitchforks and torches down to Canadian Club and yell at them for the price of their booze at Dock 57?
I looked into the MMPR just like 1000s of people when it started and did not see it as a viable business plan charging sick people on disablity prices that they could not afford to pay for propaganda hc put forth.... So I would have to say the lps knew what they were getting into before hand. Hints if nobody would have went for the lp monopoly in the first place we wouldn't have this mess. The gov would have had to go back to the drawing board.....greed got in the lps way plain and simple
 

oddish

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I looked into the MMPR just like 1000s of people when it started and did not see it as a viable business plan charging sick people on disablity prices that they could not afford to pay for propaganda hc put forth.... So I would have to say the lps knew what they were getting into before hand. Hints if nobody would have went for the lp monopoly in the first place we wouldn't have this mess. The gov would have had to go back to the drawing board.....greed got in the lps way plain and simple
I was a consultant on one of the first 25 applicants to the system.
I can tell you that Health Canada approved, fully approved, an entire business plan that would have cost $780,000 to go from start to first harvest. Completely reasonable build, so the $/gram was fixed at $4 a gram. There was involvement from numerous MMAR players who demanded that the price be fair if they were going to be the growers and the strain starters. Everyone was in full agreement and life was grand.

Fast forward to today, that same applicant is in the final stages of approval and they're over $4mil deep and haven't planted a single seed. That's why you're paying $12 a gram.
 

torontoke

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I was a consultant on one of the first 25 applicants to the system.
I can tell you that Health Canada approved, fully approved, an entire business plan that would have cost $780,000 to go from start to first harvest. Completely reasonable build, so the $/gram was fixed at $4 a gram. There was involvement from numerous MMAR players who demanded that the price be fair if they were going to be the growers and the strain starters. Everyone was in full agreement and life was grand.

Fast forward to today, that same applicant is in the final stages of approval and they're over $4mil deep and haven't planted a single seed. That's why you're paying $12 a gram.
I understand your perspective but I think your arguement is flawed.
Everyone knew before the mmpr even started that it was a stupid idea with unrealistic hurdles.
Everyone from hc down to the wannabe lps had nothing in mind but dollar signs.
I think it's the same as meter maids everyone hates them and gives them shit and they argue "we are just doing our job" but if everyone refused to take the job then the meter maid problem disappears.
Hopefully the same thing happens to lps.
If no one buys the crap for $5 a gram only a glutton for punishment keeps producing junk and raises the price.

I still can't understand how mom n pop can produce for under a dollar a gram yet the largest flowering room in North America needs $12 a gram to be profitable. Bad business sense imo
 

oddish

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I still can't understand how mom n pop can produce for under a dollar a gram yet the largest flowering room in North America needs $12 a gram to be profitable. Bad business sense imo
This is the part I was addressing.
The reason they can't is because they have to pay for everything that you don't have to pay for.
  • Pay a premium to acquire "approved" seeds
  • Pay for proper import paperwork
  • Pay for approved growing materials
  • Pay for approved disposal machine (has to render ALL excess plant matter completely unusable)
  • Pay for a 6 figure vault to store the goods
  • Pay for special drywall, chainlink fence and re-inforced walls on the curing room
  • Pay for air cleaners at every entrance
  • Pay for security cameras every 10 feet
  • Pay for card key access to every door
  • Pay for a 6 figure QA person to be on hand at ALL times, typically requires a minimum of 3 employees for this role ($300,000)
  • Pay for medical grade packaging
  • Pay for ordering software
  • Pay for production tracking software (SAP = $$$)
  • Pay for accountants, auditors and executives
  • Pay tax (that's tax on the sale, tax on the income, tax on the employees, tax on the facility, tax on the import, tax on the export)
I understand your perspective, but what I'm hearing is:
I can make a coffee at home for 30 cents, I'll never understand how Tim Hortons thinks they can gouge me for $1.90.
 

GrowRock

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I was a consultant on one of the first 25 applicants to the system.
I can tell you that Health Canada approved, fully approved, an entire business plan that would have cost $780,000 to go from start to first harvest. Completely reasonable build, so the $/gram was fixed at $4 a gram. There was involvement from numerous MMAR players who demanded that the price be fair if they were going to be the growers and the strain starters. Everyone was in full agreement and life was grand.

Fast forward to today, that same applicant is in the final stages of approval and they're over $4mil deep and haven't planted a single seed. That's why you're paying $12 a gram.
Odd at the start of the legal producer bs The lps knew full well hc and the gov treated canabis like plutonium.... what made the LP investors think the gov would loosen there reffermaddness grip. Plus some of the lps are even braging about producing for $1.75 a gram cost all in????? If all the lps and lp wanna bes would have said no f$&@ way to the gov monopoly know as the mmpr. They would have been forced to create a fair system but due to so many people's dreams to get rich quick the patients have had to protect themselves by fighting back in court and lobbing. Imo
 

jafro daweedhound

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what I'm hearing is:
If you try to live in the world of the government where tax - spend - tax some more, is normal, you will be swallowed be this monster called "inefficiency".it will eat the lousy producers and spit them out.
when your opponent is larger and stronger than you, use his size and power against him. see his weakness and use it against him. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 

GrowRock

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This is the part I was addressing.
The reason they can't is because they have to pay for everything that you don't have to pay for.
  • Pay a premium to acquire "approved" seeds
  • Pay for proper import paperwork
  • Pay for approved growing materials
  • Pay for approved disposal machine (has to render ALL excess plant matter completely unusable)
  • Pay for a 6 figure vault to store the goods
  • Pay for special drywall, chainlink fence and re-inforced walls on the curing room
  • Pay for air cleaners at every entrance
  • Pay for security cameras every 10 feet
  • Pay for card key access to every door
  • Pay for a 6 figure QA person to be on hand at ALL times, typically requires a minimum of 3 employees for this role ($300,000)
  • Pay for medical grade packaging
  • Pay for ordering software
  • Pay for production tracking software (SAP = $$$)
  • Pay for accountants, auditors and executives
  • Pay tax (that's tax on the sale, tax on the income, tax on the employees, tax on the facility, tax on the import, tax on the export)
I understand your perspective, but what I'm hearing is:
I can make a coffee at home for 30 cents, I'll never understand how Tim Hortons thinks they can gouge me for $1.90.
They couldn't see the forest from all the trees sorry dollar signs lmfao
 

oddish

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They couldn't see the forest from all the trees sorry dollar signs lmfao
Just to be fair here though, there was an official government document that came out, outlining all the requirements for this industry.
They made the mistake of trusting HC to not fuck them over, but in all reality 75% of the expenses they have weren't in the original spec.
 

GrowRock

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Just to be fair here though, there was an official government document that came out, outlining all the requirements for this industry.
They made the mistake of trusting HC to not fuck them over, but in all reality 75% of the expenses they have weren't in the original spec.
If I remember correctly in the original you still had to build the building with ridiculous spec ex cut proof walls a level 3 vault etc and so on...... The proof of corruption was in the pudding from the start
 

GrowRock

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Hell the people who created the mmpr have admitted in court that they knew the mmpr was an unviable program from the start.
 

JungleStrikeGuy

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Oddish, you make some legitimate points, but please stop trying to paint the LP's as saints and martyrs for the cause. They aren't.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who's tired of hearing sanctimonious bullshit from the LP lobby group, Tweed, Tilray, whoever about how bad dispensaries are, how only the special anointed LP's are the only ones with experience (with a product they've dealt with for a grand total of 2 years), etc. This 'fight against Pfizer' you speak of doesn't exist in Canada. We don't have to worry about GW Pharma forcing everyone to use Sativex, we have to worry about bad actors of the MMPR trying to create another artificial market. LP's have no big pharma to fight, they are the big pharma of cannabis.

It's unfair to paint every LP with the same brush, but some of the statements by Tilray and Tweed aren't much better than PPS. The LP's lobbied to shut down dispensaries, successfully, and took medicine away from many sick people. If that isn't 'evil', I'm not sure what is. In one breath Tilray will tell everyone how incompetent home growers are, and in another lobby BC to use a chemical most home growers would never touch.

The MMPR was nothing more than Harper giving the biggest fuck you to patients he could have. The LP's aren't to blame, but no one is obligated to feel sorry for them (and no one should). They took a risk on investing, they continually moan about how unfair it is dispensaries exist while talking about how great the 'free market' is. It's not a free market, patients had a gun held to their heads until Allard luckily leveled the playing field again. When Tweed stops putting out press releases stating how 'disappointed' they are that patients can grow, and how it's a 'step backwards' for drug policy, then the narrative of 'well some people will always hate LP's' carries more weight. Until then, people will rightfully call them out for making idiotic statements and bemoaning the fact that they no longer have a monopoly.
 

torontoke

Well-Known Member
This is the part I was addressing.
The reason they can't is because they have to pay for everything that you don't have to pay for.
  • Pay a premium to acquire "approved" seeds
  • Pay for proper import paperwork
  • Pay for approved growing materials
  • Pay for approved disposal machine (has to render ALL excess plant matter completely unusable)
  • Pay for a 6 figure vault to store the goods
  • Pay for special drywall, chainlink fence and re-inforced walls on the curing room
  • Pay for air cleaners at every entrance
  • Pay for security cameras every 10 feet
  • Pay for card key access to every door
  • Pay for a 6 figure QA person to be on hand at ALL times, typically requires a minimum of 3 employees for this role ($300,000)
  • Pay for medical grade packaging
  • Pay for ordering software
  • Pay for production tracking software (SAP = $$$)
  • Pay for accountants, auditors and executives
  • Pay tax (that's tax on the sale, tax on the income, tax on the employees, tax on the facility, tax on the import, tax on the export)
I understand your perspective, but what I'm hearing is:
I can make a coffee at home for 30 cents, I'll never understand how Tim Hortons thinks they can gouge me for $1.90.
Tim Hortons isn't trying to stop home coffee brewing or making customers that do buy their beans.
They can gouge 1.90$ for a coffee because people will gladly pay that but $12 for microwaved weed is a different kind of gouge.
Everyone wants to paint it as though they care about patients but the prices says otherwise.
I understand it costs lps millions to open but it's crazy for them to think they could recoup those millions right away.
Instead of making a dollar a gram on selling 10 million grams they are trying to make $10 per gram on a million grams. Stupidity!
Why would anyone let alone a sick person usually on limited funds buy from an lp at prices higher than on the street.
Like I said your entitled to your opinion but I can guarantee no one feels bad for these guys whining about losing money with their 300,000 sq foot flower rooms
 

oddish

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He's blinded....his loss................affects me none.

He has no sense of community from what I can see. Too me he seems to not see others plight much...just his own.
I don't have a plight. I only have a variety of solutions.
 
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