TRIACONTANOL dosage

Discussion in 'Nutrients' started by bobtokes, Mar 26, 2013.

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    bobtokes

    bobtokes Well-Known Member

    hi folk, anyone out there using tria, just got hold of 25grm's, i know how to make it water soluble but don't know the dose rate's for spraying and watering, can anyone help :-?
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    polyarcturus

    polyarcturus Well-Known Member

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    bobtokes

    bobtokes Well-Known Member

    cheers i found that site hence this thread, lol
    its a bit vague, between 0.1 - 1 ppm for feeding every watering, or between 1 - 25 ppm for spraying 2-4 weeks
    was hoping to find someone using it with success, who hadn't killed their plants overdosing it, lol
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    Uncle Ben

    Uncle Ben Well-Known Member

    This is what I posted years ago. I doubt if the links are still valid.

    Triacontanol Links:

    http://www.rdrop.com/~paul/alfalfa.html
    You might want to try using alfalfa tea on your roses. Alfalfa releases triacontanol, an alcohol ester compound that acts as a growth stimulant. The alfalfa is not a food in the sense that nitrogen is, but it makes the uptake of nutrients more efficient. You'll have a dramatic increase in both growth, bloom, and overall vigour of the plant.

    2 cups Alfalfa pellets or meal.
    2.5 gal. water.
    steep for 2-3 days covered.

    Apply about a half gallon on your minis and a full gallon on your larger bushes about every 6-8 weeks. This is something that can be done in the garden at any time of the year without the usual concern of stimulating growth at inappropriate times, as you would with fertilizers.

    http://www.minerva.at/search97cgi/s.../htmldata/LSNr_305296/01676903_21_130417.html

    The effects of a long chain aliphatic alcohol 1-triacontanol (TRIA) on the photosynthesis and membrane properties of mesophyll protoplasts and chloroplasts isolated from pea leaves were studied. In vitro treatments of isolated protoplasts caused a large enhancement (166 percent) of the CO2-fixation rate after 60 min of TRIA (10 ^-6 M) application as compared to the control. An enhanced photosynthetic response was observed in vitro treated leaf pieces. Application of octacosanol (OCTA) under the same experimental conditions did not result in any stimulating effects. In vivo treatments of pea seedlings also resulted in a significant increase of the net CO2 uptake to 109% and 119% in 10^-8 M and 10 ^-6 M TRIA-treated plants respectively.

    http://www.healthy.net/library/journals/naturopathic/vol1no1/sativa.htm
    Medicago sativa (alfalfa) also contains a plant growth stimulating substance identified as Triacontanol. When applied to crops it increases the growth and yield of several species. Applying 117kg of Alfalfa to a hectare of tomatoes increases yields by 10 metric tons per hectare.

    http://www.bmi.net/roseguy/fbamend.html
    Alfalfa - While at first glance it would appear that nitrogen is the big benefit from alfalfa (Meal: 5-1-2; Pellets: 14-4-8), with a good dose of iron and trace elements, the real benefit comes from a fatty acid alcohol called triacontanol which occurs naturally in the waxy surface of the plant’s leaves. Triacontanol is a root stimulant which, when used in small quantities, can increase yields in garden plots by 30 to 60%. It can be applied to roses straight out of the bag or box, or applied in an "alfalfa tea."

    For direct application, sprinkle up to a cup of pellets, a half cup for miniatures, around each bush and water. The pellets then swell up and break apart. Then scratch the alfalfa into the soil or cover with mulch. If you leave the alfalfa on the surface, it will mold, and, when it dries, it will turn hard and crusty…work it in. Don’t use more than a cup, or its effectiveness will drop.

    For alfalfa tea, add 10 to 12 cups of alfalfa pellets to a 32 gallon garbage can, add water, stir and steep for 2 or 3 hours to a couple of days. You can add 4 to 6 cups of Epsom salts and 8 ounces of fish fertilizer as a "fortifier", if you wish. Apply a gallon per bush, 1/3 gallon per miniature. Stir often to keep it mixed. You can pour the slurry on the bottom of the garbage can onto some of the roses, or add it to your vegetable garden.

    50 lb bags can be purchased at farm & feed stores. Use once or twice a year.

    http://www.vioryl.gr/products/agroactive_list.html
    Check out “Gigamix” in their listing:
    GIGAMIX EMULSION FOLIAR PRODUCT (11-1-1)+trace elements
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    bobtokes

    bobtokes Well-Known Member

    thanks for the reply ben but i can't find anything thats gonna help me, i've got 90% pure tria
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    polyarcturus

    polyarcturus Well-Known Member

    your gonna have to measure it out seems simple enough to me. 90% means 90% of whatever ppm you put in the water is you concentration ppm wise of the pgr.
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    bobtokes

    bobtokes Well-Known Member


    lol, i know how to get the ppm in a given amount of water, what i don't know is how much to give the plants
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    polyarcturus

    polyarcturus Well-Known Member

    this requires testing. i would recommend trying a few variations, the lower the ppm the better in most cases the issue with using any hormone.

    also would look into using fulvic acids to promote absorption, a major difficulty with PGRs to start with is actually getting the plant to uptake them. and this also allows for a lower ppm to be more effective. in short this is a testing thing and you must test, for reference you could use the concentrations of hormones in rooting additives once mixed so you can know what is generally considered an effective ppm.
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    Uncle Ben

    Uncle Ben Well-Known Member

    I recommend you not bother and grow our herb out naturally.
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    bobtokes

    bobtokes Well-Known Member

    do you......
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    budman111

    budman111 Well-Known Member

    Are these PGR's safe to consume or what?
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    Uncle Ben

    Uncle Ben Well-Known Member

    I and others have used Bonzi. No problems.
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    Uncle Ben

    Uncle Ben Well-Known Member

    Why would you bother if you didn't have application instructions and tech support to do it right? You can overdue tria just like anything else.

    It's not the poison, it's the amount.

    UB
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    homebrew420

    homebrew420 Well-Known Member

    This is very safe. Worldwide is acceptable for use on food crops up to a few days from harvest.

    25ppm seems to be the norm as a foliar. Many products available.

    Peace
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    shaggyballs

    shaggyballs Member

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    Camra

    Camra Member

    3ppm, you need polysorbate 20 as well......
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    aus2 canibasiva

    aus2 canibasiva Active Member

    Here is a good thread on Beneficial Additives, there is a good section on Triacontanol, check it out!

    http://www.rollitup.org/general-mar...neficial-additives-hydroponics-must-read.html

    Here is a product that I will be using in a weeks time called Nutri-Stim Triacontanol & I was curious about the dosage needed when using Triacontanol.

    http://www.nutri-tech.com.au/downlo...iquid Fertilisers/Nutri-Stim Triacontanol.pdf

    And here are the calculations that I have worked out, just to give you some sense potentially how minute of an amount is needed when working with Triacontanol.

    Application Rates of Triacontanol.


    8ml per 100L


    4ml per 50L


    2ml per 25L


    1ml per 12.5L


    0.5ml per 6.25L


    0.25ml per 3.125L


    0.125ml per 1.5625L


    &


    0.100ml per 1L

    At 2.5% weight per volume.
    Not sure if that helps much but some one might need it.

    There might be some Youtube videos covering the subject?
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    hiddenkoncept

    hiddenkoncept Member

    Been doing some research and it seems that it can be quite difficult to get the exact amounts or get a ppm between 1-3. I found a liquid mix that you just add to water but makes a ppm of 25 I think.
    Is this stuff any good for adding to hydro set ups ?http://www.triplantanol.com/triaboost.html

    It says you just add it to your nutes

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