DoctorFrost
Well-Known Member
That's the way I see it too. But I also understand him wanting to ask, I don't like offending people either unless it is something that can't be helped. So I would also ask permission as well, but think most breeders should be like Bodhi and encourage people to make F2s and hand them out. There are plenty of people crossing and making F2s of Bodhis work and handing them out but it doesn't hurt his business any.. we all know he is the one that first made them and will continue to support him. Same goes for Top Dawg - if he would do the same.
All that said, I can see the side of the breeder as well after a lot of work is put in. Lets say he takes the chemdog cut, crosses it to an afghani. Crosses it back again, then again, then again etc. There is definitely work involved in that, and personal selection. And I could see where he would be upset if someone took his cross that was back-crossed 3-4 times and back cross it themselves with the original and then start selling it as their own. But if someone took his strain and backcrossed it a couple more times and made their own personal selections then they put in just as much work as he did. There is a line to draw somewhere here and if I was a breeder I would never buy someones seeds and make F2s and sell them as my own. BUT, if I took that breeders seeds and continued on out to F3-F4 with back crosses back to certain plants then I don't see the issue as long as you credit the original breeder you got them from. TopDawg did not invent Chemdog.. Nor did Chemdog. We don't even know who the original people are so nobody actually has "permission" to work with the genetics from the actual creators. I doubt we truly ever know unless Joe Brand trys to get in contact with the people he knew back then in the 80's-early 90s. And even then the plants that were used to create the original Dog bud were probably mostly land races of some sort so do we then need to go talk to tribes etc to get their permission to make crosses and use their plants? How far does it go.
All that said, I can see the side of the breeder as well after a lot of work is put in. Lets say he takes the chemdog cut, crosses it to an afghani. Crosses it back again, then again, then again etc. There is definitely work involved in that, and personal selection. And I could see where he would be upset if someone took his cross that was back-crossed 3-4 times and back cross it themselves with the original and then start selling it as their own. But if someone took his strain and backcrossed it a couple more times and made their own personal selections then they put in just as much work as he did. There is a line to draw somewhere here and if I was a breeder I would never buy someones seeds and make F2s and sell them as my own. BUT, if I took that breeders seeds and continued on out to F3-F4 with back crosses back to certain plants then I don't see the issue as long as you credit the original breeder you got them from. TopDawg did not invent Chemdog.. Nor did Chemdog. We don't even know who the original people are so nobody actually has "permission" to work with the genetics from the actual creators. I doubt we truly ever know unless Joe Brand trys to get in contact with the people he knew back then in the 80's-early 90s. And even then the plants that were used to create the original Dog bud were probably mostly land races of some sort so do we then need to go talk to tribes etc to get their permission to make crosses and use their plants? How far does it go.
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