top leaves twisting

Discussion in 'Marijuana Plant Problems' started by asaph, Nov 14, 2011.

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    asaph

    asaph Well-Known Member

    anyone knows what this is about?

    using very hard tap water EC 0.7, last watering gave them GHE Flora grow+bloom+micro, at 0.8cc each for an EC of 1.3 (650-750ppm). Also some additives - root juice and enzymes by hesi, diamond nectar by ghe.

    Before that they were on Atami coco nutrients with similar EC levels, but on RO water with extra epsom salts and the additives mentioned above.

    all 10 plants are getting the same but only this plant shows such severe symptoms.

    The runoff I've been getting has been similar (1.45 EC, pH 6.4)

    this one is Royal Orange (Flying Dutchman), under a 600w HPS (changed from 400w a few days ago)

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    asaph

    asaph Well-Known Member

    bump, please help with top leaves twisting. curling sideways.
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    max316420

    max316420 Well-Known Member

    are they just starting to bloom?
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    asaph

    asaph Well-Known Member

    nope. still in veg, about a month old now. they've had these issues from the start but in a mild degree. they are in coco-perlite mix (local brand) 50-50.
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    john84

    john84 Active Member

    Same thing is happening with mine now. It doesn't seem to be a problem, they flatten out as they get older
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    pooper

    pooper Active Member

    Looks like either a slight binding of the roots or some mute mutation. Nothing to worry about. What are your room temps like ?......
    Try a light flush and a trim to promote some new growth.
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    asaph

    asaph Well-Known Member

    thank you much!
    I have it on both strains, to some degree. They are indeed growing, but don't look as good as they should. They are in very large smart pots so root bound shouldn't be an issue. I thought it was a calmag issue, i was using RO, but I switched to tap water (very hard, 0.6 EC) and it doesn't help. Can't get calmag where I live otherwise except epsom salt.

    I think maybe the water has a lot of cal and not enough mag?
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    max316420

    max316420 Well-Known Member

    if it's happening to both strains then you can rule out genetics... If anything i would say its a heat issue, but other than that they don't look bad at all.. Newer growth sometimes does this.
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    max316420

    max316420 Well-Known Member

    and IMO its not a calmag issue and just make sure to go easy on it cause I have found in veg that adding too much calmag can do more harm then help
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    asaph

    asaph Well-Known Member

    wish i had calmag... all i got is hard water and epsom salts

    so yeah i guess it's ok. I wish they looked better but... gotta love em anyway
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    max316420

    max316420 Well-Known Member

    ok 2 more questions... The ph your referring to is your soils ph or your nute solution goin in? How are you measuring your ph?
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    max316420

    max316420 Well-Known Member


    Can't you order calmag online?
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    mrserv0n

    mrserv0n Member

    Its from retard roots, Ive seen it before with a bad strain of sour D.
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    max316420

    max316420 Well-Known Member

    what do you mean "retard roots"?
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    asaph

    asaph Well-Known Member

    the pH going in is 5.6-6.0. The pH of the runoff and the medium sample is always 6.2-6.4, regardless of what goes in. I use a red pH pen by Hanna. calibrated and checked against tap water.
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    asaph

    asaph Well-Known Member

    yes what does that mean? The roots seemed very good when I transplanted them, albeit a bit late in that for some.

    some pics of my plants

    they look good all and all but also bad... if you notice the slight paleness of upper growth, and curling/twisting. Also ridged leaves some. No overfert symptoms or bottom yellowing.

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    max316420

    max316420 Well-Known Member

    Second row first pic looks like tad heat stress

    Second row 4th pic looks like a slight mag def but leaf if older so nothing to really worry about.

    I think if you flushed real good and refed then they should bounce right back.. But IMO they look pretty good
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    max316420

    max316420 Well-Known Member

    Plus if that's a MH light they get SUPER hot
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    asaph

    asaph Well-Known Member

    thanks man, that's good of you to say
    it's HPS (just cfl for the pics), and max temp is 22c, so i reckon it's not heat. but as long as the problems are at bay i guess i'm happy
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    asaph

    asaph Well-Known Member

    update: no change as of yet. problems lingering. tried everything - more mag, less mag, more cal, less cal. tap water RO. no avail.

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