Top breeders?

Somebody made a post recently about DJ Short threatening to sue people who breed with Blueberry. Reading shit like that really makes me not want to support him or any breeder that thinks that there work should have some kind of copyright protection. I grew Blueberry many years ago, I thought it was alright but definitely nothing worth revisiting. I'm definitely not tempted to try any more of his gear after reading about his Monsanto-like desires to sue people who breed with his work. I'm much more likely to support breeders like Bodhi who encourage people to breed with their work. I say we all buy a pack of Chocolate Rain just to show little DJ Short just how much we support his desire to sue those who work with his gear.

st0wandgrow said:

Yes. I was just informed of this recently. Apparently using a male from a pack of seeds to pollenate another plant is stealing their intellectual property.

I wonder if they frown upon taking clones too?

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They'd really hate me if I did an open pollination and sold em for half the price... overpriced stuff IMO.

As a breeder i would have no problem using whatever i think would be good to breed with. How many breeders already use other stuff claiming it is their own work. Or the other way round, use some strain and call it White Widow or whatever.

And what if i travel to the same countries and bring the same strains home they were using in their "intellectual property"?

Seriously, this whole thing is causing a knot in my brain. But i guess this is what happens when people see how successful this kind of practice is in other biotech areas. But hey, in a few years companies like Philip Morris will have their fingers in the weed business. And since they have a whole army of bored law benders i'm sure they will be as successful as the last 50 years.

Fill up your seed bunkers as long as there's a choice other than Marihuarlboro.

Most breeder's use "intellectual property"(elite clones) to create their strains...
Would they have to pay royalties?

kindnug said:

Most breeder's use "intellectual property"(elite clones) to create their strains...
Would they have to pay royalties?

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Well, in order to win such a claim i think you need a way to prove "your" genetics are present in the strain. And what does that prove anyway? That there are gene sequences responsible for building THC molecules?
I know that some Companies claim to own the genetics of basmati rice and some spices but these Companies had lots of money and legal teams to get a patent on these genes. Without a patent no claim would have a leg to stand on.

hydroMD said:

Universities are constantly developing new strains of wheat, barley, corn etc. With the hope of finding something that grows better in specific climates. Once youve developed a strain of anything in demand, you get royalties from anyone that grows it under regulation....

Cannabis will be the same.

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Just a guess, but I'd bet the amount of weed pollen chuckers outweigh the wheat and barley pollen chuckers by plenty. MIght be hard to collect royalties from a gazillion closet hobbyists.

Amos Otis said:

Just a guess, but I'd bet the amount of weed pollen chuckers outweigh the wheat and barley pollen chuckers by plenty. MIght be hard to collect royalties from a gazillion closet hobbyists.

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Ha! That's what they're going to do with all the cops who were after the potheads so far as i'm pretty sure they won't catch real gangsters now. They are going to go from house to house to check for a grow and take samples of the plants. And if your books don't reflect the results of the gene tests you're fucked.

Would be better to keep MJ illegal, if these are the things planned for our beloved plant.

kindnug said:

Would be better to keep MJ illegal, if these are the things planned for our beloved plant.

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After they seem to admit that the war on drugs has failed they are looking for new ways to protect the industry. If a plant like cannabis would be unconditionally legal for everybody's free use, people would wake up eventually and use the potential in a way that would make big parts of today's industries obsolete. That's not going to happen, is it?

Apologies for capturing the thread by the way. Perhaps we should stop this or move to another thread. So just to keep the original topic alive:
If the question was if there is a totally reliable breeder for fem seeds i have to say no, there isn't. Plenty of breeders on the big seed banks could produce something nice but i doubt that any breeder could be blindly trusted. Even if all strains were top shelf stuff it doesn't mean every grower could get good results from each strain.

It's easier to find good strains for your particular growing situation and your personal preferences as it is to find a breeder who could cover all that. Don't limit your choices to one breeder, there is so much great stuff out there.

BadInfluence said:

After they seem to admit that the war on drugs has failed they are looking for new ways to protect the industry. If a plant like cannabis would be unconditionally legal for everybody's free use, people would wake up eventually and use the potential in a way that would make big parts of today's industries obsolete. That's not going to happen, is it?

It's easier to find good strains for your particular growing situation and your personal preferences as it is to find a breeder who could cover all that. Don't limit your choices to one breeder, there is so much great stuff out there.

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A few good reasons I think it should remain illegal but decriminalized.

Good advice on top breeder.

If folks are concerned about getting value when they buy beans there are some blue chip breeders out there. Sannie comes to mind Mr. Nice..Serious..there's more. I think set up and growing ability have an awful lot to do with the final product..

Serious, Ace, Top Dawg .. They actually work lines and attain desired results vs the elite male x female that is so popular in the industry

Breeders Boutique small breeders with elite genetics

Amos Otis said:

Just a guess, but I'd bet the amount of weed pollen chuckers outweigh the wheat and barley pollen chuckers by plenty. MIght be hard to collect royalties from a gazillion closet hobbyists.

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True, but those hobbyists would only make up a fraction of the market.

Monsanto is basically breeding in a petree dish. They can cross two genetic lines in a matter of months, letting them do things in a year that traditional growers would take 2-3. 5-10 even if they weren't absolute masters.

They are saying thay they will be able to supply 80% of US cannabis consumption

hydroMD said:

They are saying thay they will be able to supply 80% of US cannabis consumption

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Just because they have the capacity to mass produce doesn't mean people are gonna buy their shit. If a big corporation like Monsanto or RJ Reynolds tries to jump into the cannabis game they will be largely ignored.

gabechihua said:

Just because they have the capacity to mass produce doesn't mean people are gonna buy their shit. If a big corporation like Monsanto or RJ Reynolds tries to jump into the cannabis game they will be largely ignored.

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Don't underestimate the power of lazyness and hypes. It's like with tobacco. What started as something like pipe tobacco and cigars with a real potential for deep enjoyment got turned into cigarettes with all the known drawbacks by the industry. Smoking tobacco used to be a completely different thing and now it is completely frowned upon because cigarettes enabled the smoker to smoke more and pretty much anywhere which wasn't the case with Cigars. Also, the health risks for smokers were much lower before cigarettes came along.

SmokyLungs said:

You see you guys are looking for the holy grail I just wanna know which breeders have a good rep I don't wanna buy multiple seeds and have some being duds or Hermie's I'm new so I'll be more than happy with good smoke to grow not looking for the best strain just good breeders with good seeds any recommendations?

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I'm pretty much like your self, I'd go with sensi seeds shiva skunk. Every one loved it who I gave it to, good yield and easy to chop down, 8 weeks flowering. Delicious seeds cotton candy was a good one also, 9 weeks flowering.

gabechihua said:

Just because they have the capacity to mass produce doesn't mean people are gonna buy their shit. If a big corporation like Monsanto or RJ Reynolds tries to jump into the cannabis game they will be largely ignored.

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Oh they won't or at least it will be very hard to tell its them. IMO they will buy medium size businesses and run them as a parent Corp. I read about a year ago that one of the tobacco guys was renting all the available warehouse space in one of the legal states. These guys got so much money they could just have a hedge fund buy farms and retail outlets and it would be very difficult to find out if they owned the hedge fund.

SmokyLungs said:

Another question when you buy regular seeds what is the most males u ever gotten out of say 10 seeds what was your female to male ratio are regular seeds a gamble?

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It is a 50/50 chance. I have gotten 3/10 with a pack and 7/10 with another. If you run 100 seeds you will end up close to 50/50 +/- a few. With a 10 pack the odds are the same but as with mine they will fluctuate from pack to pack. It would be extremely unlikely not to get at least one female out of 10. If you only plan on getting a few seeds just go with feminized.

Animalchin said:

I'm pretty much like your self, I'd go with sensi seeds shiva skunk. Every one loved it who I gave it to, good yield and easy to chop down, 8 weeks flowering. Delicious seeds cotton candy was a good one also, 9 weeks flowering.

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Cool bro thanks