Too easy to have kids?

Scubasteve420 said:

This kitten has claws!

The reason I don't mind my own business and not talk about something I'm curious about is because I feel it's the number one problem in the world and I wanted to discuss it on a site with people who share similar hobbies as myself. I feel I can relate to them better than the "average joe" and their opinions mean more to me.

Yes, I'm aware of Social Security becoming obsolete in 20 years. There will be another program to replace it tho. Aren't you the guy who's all about less Gov? Understand if our population continues to grow with that comes more government.

Tisk tisk!!! Do you really think a democrat would say something about limiting the population by sterilization? Guess again???

You're right about me being a good fit for Europe - I'm hairy, loud, and part French in ancestry, but I I like it here and I plan to stay for awhile.

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We don't need more government if we have more people. Government does not have to grow with population. The only thing that the continued growth of government does is increase its inefficiency, costs, and corruption, and allows it to continue to pursue the imbecilic policies of stealing more liberties from the people while pretending to make them "safer."

Ignoring the very real fact that safety is an illusion, and no amount of attempts by government to make us "safer" will actually succeed, they will definitely however continue to show that government, on the whole, sucks seed.

And if you are part-French, you are a pisspoor example of one. Not even a shitstain compared to Voltaire.

TheBrutalTruth said:

We don't need more government if we have more people. Government does not have to grow with population. The only thing that the continued growth of government does is increase its inefficiency, costs, and corruption, and allows it to continue to pursue the imbecilic policies of stealing more liberties from the people while pretending to make them "safer."

Ignoring the very real fact that safety is an illusion, and no amount of attempts by government to make us "safer" will actually succeed, they will definitely however continue to show that government, on the whole, sucks seed.

And if you are part-French, you are a pisspoor example of one. Not even a shitstain compared to Voltaire.

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Agreed, govt doesn't have to grow with population. I'm under the impression it has and it will continue to grow regardless if we like it or not. Now please don't go off on how we need to minimize govt. When that day happens we'll have a . and a This thread is about the human population. Please stick to this topic.

Pulling the Voltaire card on me... You don't pull any punches do you?

Scubasteve420 said:

Agreed, govt doesn't have to grow with population. I'm under the impression it has and it will continue to grow regardless if we like it or not. Now please don't go off on how we need to minimize govt. When that day happens we'll have a . and a This thread is about the human population. Please stick to this topic.

Pulling the Voltaire card on me... You don't pull any punches do you?

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No, I don't.

And you're the one that jumped onto the entire government side of the equation. I was objecting on grounds that you are attempting to dictate to people what they should or should not do, and ignoring the very real fact that population growth in the United States is barely above replacement levels, and population growth in Western Europe (including Russia) is below replacement levels, just as it is in Japan.

Perhaps the Chinese or the Indians, or the Pakestani will be more willing to listen to you with out insulting your gross negligence of the creator-given rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

TheBrutalTruth said:

No, I don't.

And you're the one that jumped onto the entire government side of the equation. I was objecting on grounds that you are attempting to dictate to people what they should or should not do, and ignoring the very real fact that population growth in the United States is barely above replacement levels, and population growth in Western Europe (including Russia) is below replacement levels, just as it is in Japan.

Perhaps the Chinese or the Indians, or the Pakestani will be more willing to listen to you with out insulting your gross negligence of the creator-given rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

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You got me! I'm guilty of wanting less govt but also wanting to control population. You can volunteer me as the first to sterilize themselves. I suggest reading all of thread it may open up your mind.
I guess I don't have faith in mankind in making the right decisions without guidance. If they do it on their own great lets get govt out the door and do the Venus project... My Dream!!! Now you better read about the Venus project before you go off on how I want to make the govt bigger.

Scubasteve420 said:

You got me! I'm guilty of wanting less govt but also wanting to control population. You can volunteer me as the first to sterilize themselves. I suggest reading all of thread it may open up your mind.
I guess I don't have faith in mankind in making the right decisions without guidance. If they do it on their own great lets get govt out the door and do the Venus project... My Dream!!! Now you better read about the Venus project before you go off on how I want to make the govt bigger.

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And who are you to attempt to dictate to humanity what they must or mustn't do at all?

For all we know, one of those people that would be sterilized by your policies could have given birth to the person that would find the technological solution to open wormholes that would allow for the instantaneous transportation of people and resources to and from other worlds solving the over population problem in a way that doesn't condemn billions to not being given life.

Death is horribly final, but life is so full of interesting possibilities.

Scubasteve420 said:

You got me! I'm guilty of wanting less govt but also wanting to control population. You can volunteer me as the first to sterilize themselves. I suggest reading all of thread it may open up your mind.
I guess I don't have faith in mankind in making the right decisions without guidance. If they do it on their own great lets get govt out the door and do the Venus project... My Dream!!! Now you better read about the Venus project before you go off on how I want to make the govt bigger.

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Actually it sounds like you do want to make the government bigger, preplanned cities, dictatorial total city systems. Let me guess, farting in public will be fined so no one has to smell the horrible stench of flatulence inside the cities.

Give me the dynamic thriving chaos of laizze-faire capitalism against the static slow death of any planned economies.

Better to be alive and free than undead and a slave to the capricious whims of tyrants.

Resource Based Economy... bah, we already have a resource (commodity) based economy. Do you actually believe that they will change a thing? Money is nothing more than an expression of how many resources one can command, and having what I buy and how much I can buy dictate to me by jack-booted thugs in towers at the center of a city strikes me as asinine.

Why would I want to bother with another system so remarkable similar to the one that we have now, one that is dominated by a conniving elite that is out to enrich themselves (much like the conniving elite behind The Venus Project) at the expense of the rest of humanity.

Piss on The Venus Project, and you if you support it.

doobnVA said:

There's a little bit of magic in making a baby from scratch. There really isn't any other way to describe it. No matter how evolved we might think we are, we still have a lot of biological instincts that we aren't totally aware of and can't control.

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Thats very true. Its funny how society frowns upon teenagers boning. Hmmm, a man hits his sexual peak at age 16. And why do you think we have all of these teenage pregnancy issues, because of "poor choices"? No, the kids are doing what theyre instinct is telling them to do: Fuck. The poor choice is how society is set up. And, a man who has kids after age 26 is more likely to have a kid with autism or down syndrome, and his sperm count decreases. Same for women as well, they are more likely to give birth to kids with issues if they give birth in their thirties or later. Personally, I know three or four couples who didnt have kids until their thirties; and some of their kids (quite a few) are slow learners and have speech issues and other such things. Also, science (from what I have heard) supports the idea that human beings are naturally monogamous; for a while. Then we find a new partner and do it again. Hmm, divorce rate is like 50% in the U.S.? Our society is set up terribly. My point is, population will naturally correct itself over time. Cancer, AIDS (AIDS-the more we fuck(reproduce) the more we die, and those kids are born w/ aids, they die too), HPV(can make women sterile, men carry it and can give it to them), Flu epidemics, other plagues (black death, bubonic plague-historical examples), superbugs (immune to antibiotics) and increased carbon levels (corrolary-decreasing oxygen levels) could come fuck human kind over in the long run. Although science can fend off some of them(possibly) , it cannot fend off others. So as much as we would like to get into this bullshit idealistic "save everybody from every disease" idea, it wont work. BTW, do google searches on these diseases/ Natural phenomona(rising carbon,lower oxygen), they are spreading faster than we thought. So fuck population control- we dont have as much control as you think. God/mother nature/fate or whatever runs the show.

Urmommy, that's just blatantly untrue. Population can be controlled by dispiriting the people and through the carrot/stick method.
Europe now has negative growth.
They are having less sex, and they are having less kids. Having a child before the parent is emotionally secure as well as financially is a problem, but there are differences culturally. Japan doesn't have nearly the problem with early pregnancy that we do (US). For one thing, they are more educated. Their culture is far more disciplined too.
It's not just about the urge to have sex and that's it.... there's alot more involved.

SlikWiLL13 said:

theres a whole lot more magic in taking an unloved baby and giving it a family. anybody with penis can make a baby...it takes a real man to love someone elses child as thier own.

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Agreed. Hence my "name" Rob Roy. If you've seen the movie you'll understand.

http://www.infowars.com/predictive-programming-euthanasia-sterilization-in-1971-movie/

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bXZsYmtrt4

TreesOfLife said:

http://www.infowars.com/predictive-programming-euthanasia-sterilization-in-1971-movie/

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bXZsYmtrt4

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LOL! I love when they're at the creepy baby store and the chick is like "Get me out of here!"

I wouldn't want one of those scary babies, either. "My name is Bonnie and I love my Mommy!" WTF?!

Throw red hair on the kid and you got Chuckie.

doobnVA said:

LOL! I love when they're at the creepy baby store and the chick is like "Get me out of here!"

I wouldn't want one of those scary babies, either. "My name is Bonnie and I love my Mommy!" WTF?!

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That was disturbing, and not very "predictive" as the person that posted it attempted to claim.

First off, the air quality of the United States has continued to improve, as has water quality.

Modern vehicles pollute nearly 99% less than past vehicles despite driving 2 - 3x more miles on average.

The claims that we are all doomed have consistently been trumpeted by Malthusians, and human ingenuity as consistently exposed them as being intellectually-challenged people.

No nation on earth has done more to clean up its own environment than the United States. This seems to elude the enviro's, as if it never happened. We have come a long way in a short time.

If you doubt me just look at any movie shot in New York City in the 70's. That's not fog folks..... Look at any recent movie shot in New York City. What an amazing difference, and is only one small example of a much larger, much cleaner tapestry.