Tissue Culture Cloning: eliminate mother plants & resources they require

rolledupdriver

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oh yeah, most commercial banana production propagate using this method because bananas are extremely susceptible to rot, fungus, disease if not well established, they do it because doing tissue cultures requires a sterile environment, they sell various kits on the web, I was actually planning on starting to do this what I got some good strains growing to avoid, the whole additional setup for a mother plant.
 

DonTesla

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You need a solution to facilitate the plant matter while adding correct hormones at proper doses to promote the growth you want.
Exactly what this thread aims to reveal ..
The various avenues and backlanes of TC and where they all lead..
If you find that paper that'd be crazy..

This shows there's more than one rabbit hole to go down just within the realm of TC..
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So there's multiplying technique,
Slow storage technique,
Shipping technique,
And then advanced TC;
Chromosome doubling /polyploid / hidden genetic hunting technique

Interesting
 

Sparehead

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I guess im confused how growing a cutting from a small piece of plant could do any better at restoring plant vigor than cloning... essentially its the same thing, except your using hormones to enduce both vegetative growth and roots... its
still cloning though.
I tend to agree with you but how do you explain the loss of hybrid vigor of the original plant from seed. A copy of of a copy should be a the exact same as that original plant right?
 

DonTesla

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I tend to agree with you but how do you explain the loss of hybrid vigor of the original plant from seed. A copy of of a copy should be a the exact same as that original plant right?
Hydromd said:
I guess im confused how growing a cutting from a small piece of plant could do any better at restoring plant vigor than cloning... essentially its the same thing, except your using hormones to enduce both vegetative growth and roots... its
still cloning though
.

Tesla say:
We all confused bra, we gonna figure things out..

Similar or close isn't the same as the same, though..
technique and hormone choice are paramount..

take GA3 for example..induces hermaphroditism
IAA, IBA, & NAA, all stimulate rooting
Nevermind coconut, honey, b12, and mycos ..
Seems like some wiggle room already..
That spells ten experiments to me..
Hence the need to identify TC basics and 101 vs the 201 advanced game

as for vigor I think there is more to it..cloning can generate more vigorously stacked generations, peak in terms of makeup, then fade.. Why? Subject to oxidation, weathering, decomp, demineralization maybe.. Shit, loneliness? Stress.. If the average life of a plant is 90 days that's like 90 years paralleled to us, or a year per day in mj years..

Most peak performance in nature is a product of some type of synergy and unlocking though, take truffle trees for example needing fungus..and if we don't know what we don't know, how are we supposed to know what it is that we don't know?

Ya get me?!
 
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thump easy

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I tend to agree with you but how do you explain the loss of hybrid vigor of the original plant from seed. A copy of of a copy should be a the exact same as that original plant right?
no i noticed in seed some times my plants turn pink or have this crazzy yield to them from seed or even one of my favorite strains of all time og raskals white fire it does great at the gate, but once you take cuts you just have to grow more plants to get the same yield, same with others the pink lemonade smells like pink lemonade at the begining but now smells like coffee i dont understand i usto get this great pink color to the tripple platnuim gsc but i dont see than anymore????SHE HAS PATENTIAL SHE IS A KEEPER!!!!! 012.JPGXXX RATED GIRL SCOUT COOKIES 006.JPGthier is no pink to it, i have tried thinking of s1 or mabe as soon as this clinic starts ill build a sterile enviroment.. and get to tissue cuting and preping an agur and tring it again..
 
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hydroMD

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I tend to agree with you but how do you explain the loss of hybrid vigor of the original plant from seed. A copy of of a copy should be a the exact same as that original plant right?
Because with seed your not copying genetics. Your still getting traits from its lineage when producing seeds.
 

hydroMD

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Introduction
The starting point for all tissue cultures is plant tissue, called an explant. It can be initiated from any part of a plant - root, stem, petiole, leaf or flower - although the success of any one of these varies between species. It is essential that the surface of the explant is sterilised to remove all microbial contamination. Plant cell division is slow compared to the growth of bacteria and fungi, and even minor contaminants will easily over-grow the plant tissue culture. The explant is then incubated on a sterile nutrient medium to initiate the tissue culture. The composition of the growth medium is designed to both sustain the plant cells, encourage cell division, and control development of either an undifferentiated cell mass, or particular plant organs.

The concentration of the growth regulators in the medium, namely auxin and cytokinin, seems to be the critical factor for determining whether a tissue culture is initiated, and how it subsequently develops. The explant should initially form a callus, from which it is possible to generate multiple embryos and then shoots, forming the basis for plant regeneration and thus the technology of micropropagation. The first stage of tissue culture initiation is vital for information on what combination of media components will give a friable, fast-growing callus, or a green chlorophyllous callus, or embryo, root or shoot formation.

There is at present no way to predict the exact growth medium, and growth protocol, to generate a particular type of callus. These characteristics have to be determined through a carefully designed and observed experiment for each new plant species, and frequently also for each new variety of the species which is taken into tissue culture. The basis of the experiment will be media and protocols that give the desired effect in other plant species, and experience.

The demonstration
The strategy for designing a medium to initiate tissue culture, showing how growth regulators and other factors modulate development, can be demonstrated using the African Violet, a popular house plant. Leaf sections are the source of explants. This demonstration is regularly carried out by a student class, and gives reliable results. Sterile supplies are provided from central facilities, and provision of sterile working areas (for example, in laminar flow hoods) is an advantage, although cultures can be initiated in an open laboratory with careful aseptic technique. The standard precautions used during any laboratory work involving chemicals or microbes should be adopted. If you are in any doubt about safety hazards associated with this demonstration, you should consult your local safety adviser.

Step 1 - selection of the leaves
Leaves are cut from healthy plants, leaving a short length of petiole attached. They should be selected to each yield several explants of leaf squares with approximately 1 cm sides. The youngest and oldest leaves should be avoided.

Wash the dust off the leaves in a beaker of distilled water, holding the leaf stalk with forceps.

Step 2 - surface sterilisation and preparation of the explants
This part of the procedure should be carried out in a sterile working area, or with meticulous aseptic technique.

The leaf, with the petiole still attached, should be immersed in 70% ethanol for 30 seconds, then transferred to a sterile petri dish. Sterile scissors and forceps are then used to cut squares from the leaf as explants, each with approximately 1 cm sides.

The explants are transferred into a 10% hypochlorite bleach solution for 5 minutes, gently agitating once or twice during this time. They are then washed free of bleach by immersing in four successive beakers of sterile distilled water, leaving them for 2-3 minutes in each.

Three explants are placed on each petri dish of growth medium (see table and below), with the upper epidermis pressed gently against the surface of the agar to make good contact.

The petri dishes are sealed with plastic film to prevent moisture loss, and incubated at 25oC in 16h light/8h dark.

Step 3 - assessment of tissue culture development
The explants are incubated for 4 - 6 weeks, and inspected at weekly or fortnightly intervals. The growth of obvious bacterial or fungal colonies indicates contamination, and data from such cultures is obviously suspect. The development of dark brown tissue cultures can also be a consequence of contamination.

The media used in the demonstration are designed to show the effects of auxin, cytokinin, sucrose and mineral salts on development. The media were based on the well-known Murashige and Skoog inorganic medium, with additions as shown in this table.

Typical results

These pictures show typical results, after about 8 weeks on each medium. To summarise, multiple adventitious buds form on the control medium, leading to many small shoots on the upper surface where the leaf is not in contact with the medium.

Absence of sucrose inhibits this production. Shoot production is also limited on the low sucrose concentration, but comparable with the control at high sucrose.

At zero and low levels of cytokinin, callus forms where the leaf surface is in contact with the medium, while at high levels, shoot formation is stimulated.

At zero and low levels of auxins there is a stimulus to shoot formation, but at high concentrations, large numbers of roots are formed.

At low and zero levels of MS salts, there is no growth at all.

These very obvious variations demonstrate the importance of a carbon and inorganic salt source for plant growth, as well as the effect of the auxin:cytokinin ration on the control of plant development.
 

hydroMD

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Havent found the case study yet, but came across this tis bit. Its pretty straight forward and covers basics
 

hydroMD

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no i noticed seed some times my plants turn pink or have this crazzy yield to them from seed or even one of my favorite strains of all time og raskals white fire it does great at the gate, but once you take cuts you just have to grow more plants to get the same yield, same with others the pink lemonade smells like pink lemonade at the begining but now smells like coffee i dont understand i usto get this great pink color to the tripple platnuim gsc but i dont see than anymore????View attachment 3359801View attachment 3359802thier is no pink to it, i have tried thinking of s1 or mabe as soon as this clinic starts ill build a sterile enviroment.. and get to tissue cuting and preping an agur and tring it again..
Its more often the opposite. A plant doesnt always throw out all Its traits first run. Some plants have a maturity level they need to reach, which is why you should always run your seeds 2 generations.

A second run should unanimously outperform a seed run.

A) you have seen exactly how it grows and can now dial it in

B) Maturity is a real thing with mmj. If you flower a seed too soon you will not see what the plant can produce at its full potential.

With each strain varying two decent runs should be enough to exhibit all genetic traits
 

hydroMD

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this would be good for storing your males so you dont have to veg em while waiting for the progeny to be growen out. just keep em in the fridge...
But why?

Pollen will keep longer than an explant.

Wouldn't it be worth it to grow it out and collect all the pollen for later use? Way less down time and you have something with better storage life.
 

KLITE

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Ok so this has happened

I met with a pharmacist today whos done this type of thing before and shes about to order the hormones and bacteria recquired to do it, ai already have a flow hod with epa. SHe says theres basically two hormones and the different ratios either make roots grow or weird stemy leaves, certain bacteria is recquired to make the process happen or something. She says temperature needs to be kept at certain range otherwise tottally and completely forget about it.
Me and her are gonna play around with it see what happens... i will try to keep you updated if anything goes forth.
According to a reliable source a few ceedbanks in holland already do this, btw..
 

hydroMD

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Ok so this has happened

I met with a pharmacist today whos done this type of thing before and shes about to order the hormones and bacteria recquired to do it, ai already have a flow hod with epa. SHe says theres basically two hormones and the different ratios either make roots grow or weird stemy leaves, certain bacteria is recquired to make the process happen or something. She says temperature needs to be kept at certain range otherwise tottally and completely forget about it.
Me and her are gonna play around with it see what happens... i will try to keep you updated if anything goes forth.
According to a reliable source a few ceedbanks in holland already do this, btw..
Its not bacteria, but hormones.

auxin & cytokinin are your growth hormones. Your medium will be a sucrose mineral blend.
 
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