thoughts on DIY hydro neuts

I paid $16 a bottle - $32 for the set - of AN Sensi Grow and Sensi Bloom. $64. I still have a bit left of the Grow and half the Bloom. Unless you are a chemistry fan I think most would be far better off buying a set of nutrients, no matter the brand, and growing pot. Or face coming back on "Help me save my babies". And those "salts" by Dow and Monsanto? Who do you think controls the base element production for the ingredients you are going to buy?

hotrodharley said:

I paid $16 a bottle - $32 for the set - of AN Sensi Grow and Sensi Bloom. $64. ...... And those "salts" by Dow and Monsanto? Who do you think controls the base element production for the ingredients you are going to buy?

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see last paragraph - i said the BASE NEUTS are the cheap part anyway.
see #3 under cons I said it may be hard to get the salts without getting them from Dow anyway (although AN supposedly doesnt use dow products.)

I dont love chemistry per se, but do like tinkering and DIYing anything I can. Its not a money thing, i can afford the neuts. and if you cant you are doing it wrong but every penny helps me to my end game.

Maybe ill start an anti myth grow journal using DIY base neuts/no additives/bleach instead of hydrogrime/h2o2/clearex.
My problem is doing a side by side is hard right now. I have enough mothers to fill a tray not 2 trays at the same time. I fell like if side by side isnt done at the same time with the same batch of clones under the smae enviro conditions its not really a test and just another subjective "this shit rocks", "this shit kills my plants and causes root rot" type journal with no real evidence. lol.

i use botanicare pure blend pro and all the additives for it. it cost me less than one dollar per ounce of final yield in nutes. at $225-250 per ounce thats a hell of a return for opening a bottle and not having to waste time making something.

ilikecheetoes said:

see last paragraph - i said the BASE NEUTS are the cheap part anyway. see #3 under cons I said it may be hard to get the salts without getting them from Dow anyway (although AN supposedly doesnt use dow products.) I dont love chemistry per se, but do like tinkering and DIYing anything I can. Its not a money thing, i can afford the neuts. and if you cant you are doing it wrong but every penny helps me to my end game. Maybe ill start an anti myth grow journal using DIY base neuts/no additives/bleach instead of hydrogrime/h2o2/clearex. My problem is doing a side by side is hard right now. I have enough mothers to fill a tray not 2 trays at the same time. I fell like if side by side isnt done at the same time with the same batch of clones under the smae enviro conditions its not really a test and just another subjective "this shit rocks", "this shit kills my plants and causes root rot" type journal with no real evidence. lol.

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I understand where you are coming from. I agree on the overcharge (as with ANY retail product from clothing on). I am addressing my point to the newbies that read these threads before starting anything.

oh yea this isnt 101 shit I have figured my costs running the full line of H&G as well and its not that expensive. Although it always stings dropping $100+ everytime i go to the grow shop I should figure it by the ounce of finished prduct. i like that. I think I figured it at around $23 per 2x4 tray on an 8 week cycle. $23/16 is about $1.43/oz

superstoner1 said:

i use botanicare pure blend pro and all the additives for it. it cost me less than one dollar per ounce of final yield in nutes. at $225-250 per ounce thats a hell of a return for opening a bottle and not having to waste time making something.

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is that the synthetic? not the stuff for soil right? cause the stuff for soil you could pour the who bottle undiluted on a plant with no negative effect. never tried any of thier other stuff after my experience with it and having to use a whole 20$ in a month to keep up with nutrition.

as gor making your own nutes.... you can, i wouldn't because i dont have time to test all my formulations, id rather use tried and true formulation, with this said the only synthetics i buy are "all in ones", ionic, MG, ect. right now im using bonnie liquids plant food and so far its been the best in terms of growth. all of them cheap, and all of them no need to add anything unless you want,i switch it up and do compost tea bi-weekly, which is essentially "making" your own nutes and its pretty pricey but still cheaper than buying the bottled shit. i would say, all of the stuff i buy last between 1-2 years costs all together including the compost tea stuff costs about 100$. 50$ a year is affordable to me...

polyarcturus said:

is that the synthetic? not the stuff for soil right? cause the stuff for soil you could pour the who bottle undiluted on a plant with no negative effect. never tried any of thier other stuff after my experience with it and having to use a whole 20$ in a month to keep up with nutrition.

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no. nothing but great success with over a thousand happy, tasty plants harvested using it.

i used the pure blend soil mix at one point in time, soiless mind you, had to feed full strength daily in addition to other nutrients, found it to be one of the best fertilizers ever used but not cost efficient.

but ive had better luck using synthetic ionic nutrients(not just the brand although that is what[chemical type] they are) and compost teas, about the only thing my teas is missing comparatively to theirs is rock phosphate which is an easy enough fix still within my 100$ nute budget

i use the pbp for soil in my aero systems but only the last three weeks. the plants like having less nitrogen then and it lets the plant ripen more naturally.

superstoner1 said:

i use the pbp for soil in my aero systems but only the last three weeks. the plants like having less nitrogen then and it lets the plant ripen more naturally.

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it is definilty one of the better organic hydro nute being mostly organic derived water soulble matieral, like i said its a well made nute, that is definitly a good practice, too bad i cant try your bud sounds like a similar theory to my last feed (2 weeks b4 harvest) must be a compost tea no synthetics. i dont flush either, no need if you ionic nutrients(derived organically or synthetically) that are not sodium based with tons of N.

ps: if you want to try adding benies(fungi not bacteria) try using is in conjuntion with liqued seaweed and oats or straw tea(just soaked hot water and strained well) this way you can keep the fungi but not create an environment for the bacteria to survive(no solid matieral, with food for bactieria, no bacteria, no foam ,no clog), and the occasion addition of h2o2 to fight bacteria wont hurt the fungi one colonized on the roots, should promote growth actually. but the use of sodium based ferts(like most common hydro nutes) must be avoided, but it sounds like you could put this info to good use, just remember fungi will colonize and germinate in the water, so long as they have a good fiber/starch/carbohydrate food source.

flush? hell no. why starve them at the point they need it most? im with you. would be cool to taste test some,huh?

hmm i just ran the numbers on H&G full line through just flowering 9 weeks runs about $125 for a 20 gallon res. If you dump and refill weekly. i generally dont. usually every other week. But still it isnt chump change. well compared to the final product its nothing but still. I come up with more like $7-10 per ounce. I think my previous memory was for flouroduo line or maybe i was talking out my ass.
ML - L - Neut - cost per liter - total cost per 9 week flower cycle. I use shooting powder and not the top shooter.