This LED Light claiming 210w draw but 1000w equivilent??

Joegrowsalot

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chuck estevez said:
why is it so hard for you guys to take a pic of the bud after it is dried and ready to be smoked, I want to see the BAG APPEAL. it seems to be the great ghost of pictures for some reason. HMMMMM???
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I can't speak for any one else but once I'm dryed and cured I'm to stone to take pics lok
 
Joegrowsalot

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bravedave said:
Crickets. That expensive?
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A 4x4 is what I've got and total tent price complete was 560$ USD as
16 square feet of canopy my lights where marshydro 300 x 4 I'll let you know my yield in two months when I harvest;-)
I think I'll get a pound and a half of the genetics are true to print
 
bravedave

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Joegrowsalot said:
A 4x4 is what I've got and total tent price complete was 560$ USD as
16 square feet of canopy my lights where marshydro 300 x 4 I'll let you know my yield in two months when I harvest;-)
I think I'll get a pound and a half of the genetics are true to print
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Don't need a tent and don't see the 300x 4 on their website.
 
morgwar

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ttystikk said:
I've seem some fire zips for 125 right here in Colorado. Prices are coming down and while it's true that eventually there will be a basic grade, it's especially true of Cannabis that better grades will find a niche. Why? Well- alcohol is alcohol and nicotine is nicotine- but weed really does come in infinite variety!
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That is good to hear! And you are right I'm personally hoping its like wine and liquor, Indica/sativa = red/white sour diesel = sailor jerry rum, white widow = jack d etc.etc.etc.
I would pay extra for some foxtailed artisanal African grown by locals as apposed to standard dispensary stuff for me bag appeal is defined as looking or smelling unique
In the end hopefully we will be all growing in the sunshine, legal and free of lights.
After Septembers vote, I'll be growing light of jah under the light of Rah
 
ttystikk

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morgwar said:
That is good to hear! And you are right I'm personally hoping its like wine and liquor, Indica/sativa = red/white sour diesel = sailor jerry rum, white widow = jack d etc.etc.etc.
I would pay extra for some foxtailed artisanal African grown by locals as apposed to standard dispensary stuff for me bag appeal is defined as looking or smelling unique
In the end hopefully we will be all growing in the sunshine, legal and free of lights.
After Septembers vote, I'll be growing light of jah under the light of Rah
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No, man. I mean that ethanol is the same whether it's beer, wine or distilled spirits.

Cannabis will always be different because of the number and variety of cannabinoids. Different ratios really do make a difference in medicinal qualities.
 
Wisher2

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350W of LED will never outgrow in yield to a 1k HPS ...but my 350w of LED does "compare" to a 600w HPS ...now if you wanna talk apples to apples....you could run 16 CXB3590's at 1.7 amps which would give you 63w per sqft literally a COB every sqft running 63w every sqft would make HPS look like a joke......but the problem is there reaches a point of photon saturation when plant growth starts to diminish......a major reason why cob builders scale down matching the maximum amount of photons the plants can intake with the square footage available...which makes for very modular design......you can also scale up or down in amperage to suit your needs
so yes 350W of LED will never come close to 1K HPS but 1K LED will literally murder a 1K HPS...depending on what type LED we are talking
 
bravedave

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Wisher2 said:
350W of LED will never outgrow in yield to a 1k HPS ...but my 350w of LED does "compare" to a 600w HPS ...now if you wanna talk apples to apples....you could run 16 CXB3590's at 1.7 amps which would give you 63w per sqft literally a COB every sqft running 63w every sqft would make HPS look like a joke......but the problem is there reaches a point of photon saturation when plant growth starts to diminish......a major reason why cob builders scale down matching the maximum amount of photons the plants can intake with the square footage available...which makes for very modular design......you can also scale up or down in amperage to suit your needs
so yes 350W of LED will never come close to 1K HPS but 1K LED will literally murder a 1K HPS...depending on what type LED we are talking
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Ok thx, now can you point to a specific "type" of 350w of LED that I could buy to replace my 600w mh/hps?
 
Wisher2

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yes
8 Cree CXB3590 36V
8 Passive pin heatsinks
6 48' angle aluminum 3/4x3/4 1/8" thick
1 Meanwell HLG-320H-C1050
you will be running 320watts 37.8 watts per COB

you could get the Cutter Mau5 kit
http://www.cutter.com.au/proddetail.php?prod=cut2903
and ask to leave the Driver out and get the Meanwell or you could go with the 400 watt driver supplied...either way you would be easily pulling away from a 600W HPS

or you could run 6 with HLG-320H-C1400....at 50 watts a cob
 
EarthBow

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Watt for watt, LEDs produce less heat and more light than HID bulbs.

At any given wavelength and frequency, LED photons carry exactly the same energy as photons produced by any other source... plants can't tell the difference.

Used correctly, LEDs can out-perform HID in yield and in quality on a watt per watt basis.

Physics is physics, you can't argue with it. OK, you can, but people then have the right to call you a clown. It's really not all that complicated.
 
Afgan King

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EarthBow said:
Watt for watt, LEDs produce less heat and more light than HID bulbs.

At any given wavelength and frequency, LED photons carry exactly the same energy as photons produced by any other source... plants can't tell the difference.

Used correctly, LEDs can out-perform HID in yield and in quality on a watt per watt basis.

Physics is physics, you can't argue with it. OK, you can, but people then have the right to call you a clown. It's really not all that complicated.
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I believe they definitely can out do an hps but still haven't seen one putting down massive numbers definitely have quality can't lie about it but idk I'll find out with @ttystikk but as far as I'm seeing on large scales LED are pulling a g to 2 a watt as well. I'm still waiting for that 3gs a watt number to hit before I invest and overhaul a whole grow
 
bravedave

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Wisher2 said:
yes
8 Cree CXB3590 36V
8 Passive pin heatsinks
6 48' angle aluminum 3/4x3/4 1/8" thick
1 Meanwell HLG-320H-C1050
you will be running 320watts 37.8 watts per COB

you could get the Cutter Mau5 kit
http://www.cutter.com.au/proddetail.php?prod=cut2903
and ask to leave the Driver out and get the Meanwell or you could go with the 400 watt driver supplied...either way you would be easily pulling away from a 600W HPS

or you could run 6 with HLG-320H-C1400....at 50 watts a cob
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Yikes, so about $900 to replace my setup.

Yeah, no. I grow in an unheated barn. My climate has me adding heat for 2/3s of the year so I would be adding significant heat with LEDs. So , about 2 mos. a year it would save me from heat worries 3-4 months a year it might save 50% of my power usage, but most the year would probably be a wash in the power-saving arena. I am just starting my 3rd year with a Quantum 600 digital ballast and some cheapy wing reflector. I have used only 3 bulbs in that ballast. 2mh/1hps. I pulled my first lb in my room with a MH on its fourth grow doing much of the work. That Plantmax bulb cost me < $40.

I know there is a bunch of ways to look at it but... In 2 years I have spent <$300 on lighting equipment. If instead of buying a $900 LED system for 1 room, I set up 3 rooms with 600w MH/HPS...I am pretty sure I eclipse any power saving difference rather quickly.

I think I also just explained why big grows are still not turning to LED.

Thanks for helping me out.
 
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ttystikk

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Afgan King said:
I believe they definitely can out do an hps but still haven't seen one putting down massive numbers definitely have quality can't lie about it but idk I'll find out with @ttystikk but as far as I'm seeing on large scales LED are pulling a g to 2 a watt as well. I'm still waiting for that 3gs a watt number to hit before I invest and overhaul a whole grow
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I've never seen 2g/w from an HID grow. Best I've seen is 1.5, and usually closer to 1.0.

If LED can bring those numbers up then it has a future. If it can do so while maintaining or improving quality and resin production, it's a slam dunk.

Based on what I've already seen, it's a slam dunk. I'm still spinning the dials to get things running properly set up, but early indications are pretty convincing.
 
Wisher2

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bravedave said:
Yikes, so about $900 to replace my setup.

Yeah, no. I grow in an unheated barn. My climate has me adding heat for 2/3s of the year so I would be adding significant heat with LEDs. So , about 2 mos. a year it would save me from heat worries 3-4 months a year it might save 50% of my power usage, but most the year would probably be a wash in the power-saving arena. I am just starting my 3rd year with a Quantum 600 digital ballast and some cheapy wing reflector. I have used only 3 bulbs in that ballast. 2mh/1hps. I pulled my first lb in my room with a MH on its fourth grow doing much of the work. That Plantmax bulb cost me < $40.

I know there is a bunch of ways to look at it but... In 2 years I have spent <$300 on lighting equipment. If instead of buying a $900 LED system for 1 room, I set up 3 rooms with 600w MH/HPS...I am pretty sure I eclipse any power saving difference rather quickly.

I think I also just explained why big grows are still not turning to LED.

Thanks for helping me out.
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so you are basically saying it will be benificial for 6 months ......that is half the year.....how is that not savings.....
or do you need the 600 because it gets cold in the barn......
and honestly there are alot of big grows using LED's ....Heliospectra, Lumigrow, BML......etc.....
but if you would have to use a heater to keep the temps up then I see how it may not be beneficial.....but for the most part usually indoor growers are usually trying to keep the heat down with cooling and whatnot......
 
ttystikk

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Wisher2 said:
so you are basically saying it will be benificial for 6 months ......that is half the year.....how is that not savings.....
or do you need the 600 because it gets cold in the barn......
and honestly there are alot of big grows using LED's ....Heliospectra, Lumigrow, BML......etc.....
but if you would have to use a heater to keep the temps up then I see how it may not be beneficial.....but for the most part usually indoor growers are usually trying to keep the heat down with cooling and whatnot......
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People who say they need heaters during the daytime operation of their grows in the winter actually need INSULATION. Which saves money, lol
 
bravedave

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ttystikk said:
People who say they need heaters during the daytime operation of their grows in the winter actually need INSULATION. Which saves money, lol
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My room is well insulated but it is not uncommon for many successive days of double digit below zero temps...Not to overlook the fact that my intake air is not heated. "Lol"
 
bravedave

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Wisher2 said:
so you are basically saying it will be benificial for 6 months ......that is half the year.....how is that not savings.....
or do you need the 600 because it gets cold in the barn......
and honestly there are alot of big grows using LED's ....Heliospectra, Lumigrow, BML......etc.....
but if you would have to use a heater to keep the temps up then I see how it may not be beneficial.....but for the most part usually indoor growers are usually trying to keep the heat down with cooling and whatnot......
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Power usage was not my main issue. Price is.

LED savings on my power bill is certainly going to be undone by producing 3x as much product with the 3 MH/HPS, 600w setups I could afford to buy with the same money as the 1 LED. Get it?

6-8 more lbs produced in a year covers a bunch of power even if we are now comparing 320w to 1800w.

This is where it is relevant to businesses. Both you and are given $10k to start our grows in identical warehouses. You buy 9 320 LEDs. I buy 27 600w MH/HP. With a conservative 3 harvests a year and 1 lb per light....after 2 years I have produced 162 lbs and you have produced 54. Sure my power bill is significant, but nothing 108 extra pounds doesn't compensate for.
 
Abiqua

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bravedave said:
Power usage was not my main issue. Price is.

LED savings on my power bill is certainly going to be undone by producing 3x as much product with the 3 MH/HPS, 600w setups I could afford to buy with the same money as the 1 LED. Get it?

6-8 more lbs produced in a year covers a bunch of power even if we are now comparing 320w to 1800w.

This is where it is relevant to businesses. Both you and are given $10k to start our grows in identical warehouses. You buy 9 320 LEDs. I buy 27 600w MH/HP. With a conservative 3 harvests a year and 1 lb per light....after 2 years I have produced 162 lbs and you have produced 54. Sure my power bill is significant, but nothing 108 extra pounds doesn't compensate for.
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this comparison is invalid. It pretends that an led fixture by wattage alone is the exact same comparable to HID. There are several comparisons left out.

In almost 3 three years I haven't used AC or made a bulb change, how do you calculate that? Have you? that is just one issue of difference. Bag appeal? is for suckers, what ever happened to HEAD fucking Appeal :peace:
 
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