The True Cycle of a Cannabis Plant and Yellowing Leaves

cannawizard

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Here's a couple at harvest and yes the leaves are getting a bit light in color, BUT, that may be because I was playing games with bloom foods or using a flash which makes the leaves look much lighter, witness my avatar. I just don't remember. Most old fan leaves are still pretty green and intact for this indica dom mutt (TrainwreckXSweetTooth) at 11 weeks flowering.





I grow a lot of plants, mostly perennials, thousands of them and one observation I've made is that perennials tend to lose their leaves upon flowering/fruiting. It depends on the variety though. For example, my peach trees will fruit but the leaves remain green until frosts. I have a Mex lime that sheds most of its leaves a couple of times a year. Really weird. It just got thru fruiting big time, is dropping leaves all over the place and is flowering again. I have an avocado variety that drops 95% of its leaves when it blooms and then as it's finishing off that cycle flushes with a robust flush of leaves.

Bottom line? With cannabis it's a cultural thang driven by the grower. The fact is leaves produce bud (not bloom foods) so I strive to keep the leaves green until harvest as they produce food for the buds via photosynthesis. Now, if folks can't see the science in that (and many don't here) they need to find another hobby. :)

UB
~sweet pics UB, i do see the sweettooth genes in those pics :) #cheers
 

AimAim

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That's a nice bud. I have 9 acres of grape at this point, and a little over an acre of truck garden. Hard as hell work, but I love it. Growing MJ is a cakewalk compared to brassicas.
 

Uncle Ben

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That's a nice bud. I have 9 acres of grape at this point, and a little over an acre of truck garden. Hard as hell work, but I love it. Growing MJ is a cakewalk compared to brassicas.
Thanks. You have your work cut out for you. Off topic, what varietals of grapes?
 

Guitar Man

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Here's a couple at harvest and yes the leaves are getting a bit light in color, BUT, that may be because I was playing games with bloom foods or using a flash which makes the leaves look much lighter, witness my avatar. I just don't remember. Most old fan leaves are still pretty green and intact for this indica dom mutt (TrainwreckXSweetTooth) at 11 weeks flowering.





I grow a lot of plants, mostly perennials, thousands of them and one observation I've made is that perennials tend to lose their leaves upon flowering/fruiting. It depends on the variety though. For example, my peach trees will fruit but the leaves remain green until frosts. I have a Mex lime that sheds most of its leaves a couple of times a year. Really weird. It just got thru fruiting big time, is dropping leaves all over the place and is flowering again. I have an avocado variety that drops 95% of its leaves when it blooms and then as it's finishing off that cycle flushes with a robust flush of leaves.

Bottom line? With cannabis it's a cultural thang driven by the grower. The fact is leaves produce bud (not bloom foods) so I strive to keep the leaves green until harvest as they produce food for the buds via photosynthesis. Now, if folks can't see the science in that (and many don't here) they need to find another hobby. :)

UB
Good news, UB, my plant looks fairly close to yours. You have seen my grows (my last and current grow, using your 4 top technique), and I don't cut any fan leaves off, period. I don't like cutting anything off, as these extra leaves become part of that final storehouse for ripening. I also use nitrogen all the way to end and that is one reason my plants do stay green until the last 2-3 weeks, when leaf color slowly begins to change.

Here is a picture I took on Saturday, showing plenty of leaves and healthy growth. She will be coming down in about 5 days.

BTW, beautiful BUDS!!!!

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nevyn

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Here's a couple at harvest and yes the leaves are getting a bit light in color, BUT, that may be because I was playing games with bloom foods or using a flash which makes the leaves look much lighter, witness my avatar. I just don't remember. Most old fan leaves are still pretty green and intact for this indica dom mutt (TrainwreckXSweetTooth) at 11 weeks flowering.





I grow a lot of plants, mostly perennials, thousands of them and one observation I've made is that perennials tend to lose their leaves upon flowering/fruiting. It depends on the variety though. For example, my peach trees will fruit but the leaves remain green until frosts. I have a Mex lime that sheds most of its leaves a couple of times a year. Really weird. It just got thru fruiting big time, is dropping leaves all over the place and is flowering again. I have an avocado variety that drops 95% of its leaves when it blooms and then as it's finishing off that cycle flushes with a robust flush of leaves.

Bottom line? With cannabis it's a cultural thang driven by the grower. The fact is leaves produce bud (not bloom foods) so I strive to keep the leaves green until harvest as they produce food for the buds via photosynthesis. Now, if folks can't see the science in that (and many don't here) they need to find another hobby. :)

UB
Wow, just wow, I seem to be using that word a lot since coming onto RIU. Stoners and growers are not stupid, that's one thing for sure. Strange that most people think we are stupid.
 

TonightYou

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Beautiful UB as per usual.

off-topic, why is sweet tooth held in such s high regard? always wondered as I'm working with polys that have that in the parental lineage
 

Ibex

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Nice thread OP, a lot of what you say makes sense and some excellent info from the commentators, thanks guys. Most weed in my country is outdoor, we have the climate for it, and when I sneak into those plantations to grab a quick bud or two, I have seen dying and yellowing leaves, all the time. These are Rasta plantations btw, I hope they never catch me though, they have knives and machetes.
Weed so good youre willing to die for it....

Thats dedication.

 

AimAim

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Thanks. You have your work cut out for you. Off topic, what varietals of grapes?
I grow Cab Franc from an original NY State cutting about 5 acres, plus have 2800' of Semellion, and about 2500' of a generic Ozark Red.

Growing dope is easy. Grapes are way more difficult and expensive. But bottom $ is there if you hit it right, you know what I mean.
 
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Ibex

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NICE! Looks like you're about ready to cut!

It was being cut, thats in my living room ;)

First time I ran that cutting as well, currently on the second run with that strain and it seems to be on pace to outdo itself from the round pictured.
 

Guitar Man

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Another observation regarding leaf change; my wife pointed out what I noticed, that lighter color leaves on the upper colas and buds give way to more light for the lower buds at the critical point of finishing. This seems to be (just thinking) the plants own mechanism for allowing last stage light for buds left behind.

There is no question, darker leaves mean more shade...at the time when we are wanting more light to penetrate the lower canopy.
 

AimAim

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Aim, kind of offtopic but do you turn this into wine or make a shit ton of jelly?
I sell to a commercial vinter who makes some nice wine.

There is some nice wine being made in the Midwest right now. And some quality Smoke!

Peace - AIM
 

mrblu

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is tobacco just different? you want its leaves to be yellow at harvest not green. is it just for the curing and the quality? because no tobacco farmer will keep their plants green as long as possible. i have always wondered the difference.
 

lilroach

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Uncle Ben

Several grows ago I brain-farted and went with a high P/low N bloom crap. Several days after feeding with it I noticed my plants stopped stinking.....no odor at all. Well, after about 2 weeks of feeding like this I had a moment of clarity and reverted back to more N.....and the next day the bud-smell returned.

I've been thinking that it was just my imagination or just part of how those plants bloomed. Well, several days ago I switched from 10-30-20 to 20-20-20 and today my entire house absolutely STINKS of bud.

Is it the increase of N levels? Or is is lowering the P that is causing this?

Or is this just my imagination?
 

qwizoking

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Terpenes are created from phosphates.....Increasing nitrate count increases alkaloids such as nicotine in tobacco, thc and terpenes have no n and are not alkaloids. Being produced from phosphates you can increase terps by increasing p....
 

Uncle Ben

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I've been thinking that it was just my imagination or just part of how those plants bloomed. Well, several days ago I switched from 10-30-20 to 20-20-20 and today my entire house absolutely STINKS of bud.
Tell your ranch hands to wipe off their feel before they come into the house. :)

Seriously, don't know. Could be coincidence too, timing. 20-20-20 source of N is all urea.
 

ProdigalSun

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Why does the female flower suck all the nutes from its own leaves right before death? Keep in mind this is after the seed has matured...
I think that the mother stops using the nutes in the soil, so that the seed that grows in her place has those nutes available to it. She has already been becoming part of the soil again since before her demise, and by the time the seedling is ready to uptake nutes next season, natures processes have converted the mother back into nutrients in the soil for the next generation.
 

Uncle Ben

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Good news, UB, my plant looks fairly close to yours. You have seen my grows (my last and current grow, using your 4 top technique), and I don't cut any fan leaves off, period. I don't like cutting anything off, as these extra leaves become part of that final storehouse for ripening. I also use nitrogen all the way to end and that is one reason my plants do stay green until the last 2-3 weeks, when leaf color slowly begins to change.

Here is a picture I took on Saturday, showing plenty of leaves and healthy growth. She will be coming down in about 5 days.

BTW, beautiful BUDS!!!!

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Yep, that's how it's done.

Happy harvest!
 

cannawizard

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Terpenes are created from phosphates.....Increasing nitrate count increases alkaloids such as nicotine in tobacco, thc and terpenes have no n and are not alkaloids. Being produced from phosphates you can increase terps by increasing p....
..isn't the gene responsible for atp/rdna function / terp~grandular secretions on cannabis noted to perform better with higher N in the feed input? bongsmilie

#soiveheard
 
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