The RIU prop19 poll vote here.(california resident only pleace)

yes or no

  • Total voters
    64
  • Poll closed .
The Ruiner

The Ruiner

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desert dude said:
They did according to every pro MJ group in existence.
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Right...that's not stretching it just a little...every one of them? Really? Do you think we are all stupid? Or ignorant to the MJ groups out there? Seriously? "every"? Such bullshit... more and more bullshit from a bullshitter....
 
The Ruiner

The Ruiner

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desert dude said:
My guess is that you are more likely to be sucking dick than me, when you are sitting in a federal penitentiary for growing and distributing marijuana. I don't smoke it, sell it or grow it.
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You just love coming on to this website and pontificating your ignorant analysis of a law that doesn't matter to you?
 
desert dude

desert dude

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fdd2blk said:
and you are the type of person who would love to see that happen.


as i've said from the beginning, "one of my main reasons for voting no is because i would prefer not to be associated with those voting yes".
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Actually, as much as I disagree with you on P19, and as annoyed as I am with your silly bullshit and lies about P19, I would not like to see you or anybody else in prison for growing/selling Cannabis.

As far as preferences about who you associate with, you have made that point clear: you prefer to be the useful idiot of the drug czars, Steve Cooley, Lee Baca, et al. I prefer to associate with those who want Cannabis legalized.
 
The Ruiner

The Ruiner

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Serapis said:
How can I see a grain of truth in your statements when you make claims that you can't even back up or explain in any type of detail? You have yet to explain how 215 gardens will become criminal under 19, as you claim. I have asked you three times to expand upion that in detail, because I know it is a false statement, therefore you can't explain it or justify the remark. I'm simply asking you to explain a false statement that you made, and you are twisting this into allegations and insinuations? Go read prop 19 sections 6, 7, and 8 and come back here and tell me that they don't specifically EXEMPT 11362.5 smart ass.....

I can tell by your deceit and manner that you are a conservative, you are very conservative with the truth in this matter. You have been very vocal in all 19 threads, and you have made some outrageous claims. When asked to back them up and show us where in the prop it states that, YOU ALWAYS resort to name calling and insults.... I wonder why that is? If you have a solid platform, you should be able to easily defend your statements...
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Serapis, I have done more than my fair share of research and attempted a numerous logical debates...sadly the pro-19 crowd has favored diversion from the actual issue when their "facts" (read PROPAGANDA) fail them. You however have done little more than regurgitate the swill you have read from peddlers of this POS bill. Sorry that you have no official voice and that your opinion is as useful as soiled underwear, but you are just a meddler, a spectator that has formed opinions about conflicts you know nothing of. Go back to your super secret 3x3 closet grow and leave the actual participants alone. Better yet, go change YOUR states MJ laws and leave mine alone.
 
Sure Shot

Sure Shot

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"AgraMed has plans to build a 100,000-sq.-ft. marijuana mega-farm near Oakland International Airport that, “according to projections, could generate 58 pounds of pot a day and $59 million a year in revenue.” The company’s president, Jeff Wilcox—a member of the steering committee of the Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Initiative—reportedly hopes to “bring a degree of corporate structure to the marijuana industry"."

Many growers don't want to see this happen, knowing it will drain money from their friends and community.
I completely understand that sentiment.
There are far more reasons for their side as well.
I weigh the pros and cons differently, but that's why we vote,.......except I can't!


WHY PRO-POT ACTIVISTS OPPOSE PROP. 19: 19 REASONS TO VOTE KNOW
 
desert dude

desert dude

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The Ruiner said:
You just love coming on to this website and pontificating your ignorant analysis of a law that doesn't matter to you?
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Why would you think this law doesn't matter to me? Anybody who wants our country to be one of laws, and who wants the federal government to be one of limited and enumerated powers ought to be very interested in P19.

It is not my "ignorant analysis" of P19 that I have posted, but rather the "ignorant analysis" of NORML, High Times, LEAP, Judge Jim Gray, etc. Now, I will grant that you MIGHT be smarter than all of them, and your motives might be purer than their motives, but I doubt it. I suspect that you are motivated by your belief that if MJ is legalized, its price will decline and cut into your profits, so you conjure up absurd conspiracies about KKKorporashuns taking over the MJ business to scare people into voting against P19. This poll shows 2/3 support of P19, so it hasn't worked completely.
 
The Ruiner

The Ruiner

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desert dude said:
Why would you think this law doesn't matter to me? Anybody who wants our country to be one of laws, and who wants the federal government to be one of limited and enumerated powers ought to be very interested in P19.

It is not my "ignorant analysis" of P19 that I have posted, but rather the "ignorant analysis" of NORML, High Times, LEAP, Judge Jim Gray, etc. Now, I will grant that you MIGHT be smarter than all of them, and your motives might be purer than their motives, but I doubt it. I suspect that you are motivated by your belief that if MJ is legalized, its price will decline and cut into your profits, so you conjure up absurd conspiracies about KKKorporashuns taking over the MJ business to scare people into voting against P19. This poll shows 2/3 support of P19, so it hasn't worked completely.
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You are ignorant because you only are considering one side of the situation. You have shown no inclination towards objectivity. Just some ignorant and outlandish remarks directed towards those that don't agree with you. You think you are on the "right" side, but you are just on one side.
 
Sure Shot

Sure Shot

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fdd2blk said:
don't you love it? :)
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Actually, I do.
I actually can appreciate being wrong.
I see it like this.
I may have been wrong then, but know I know what is right. It's this mindset that has allowed me to continue to learn each and every day.
I honestly fiend for information, and find myself watching every documentary and reading every article that sparks my interest.
So, I do enjoy being wrong. It's much more mental stimulating then being right all the time.
 
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fdd2blk

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Sure Shot said:
Actually, I do.
I actually can appreciate being wrong.
I see it like this.
I may have been wrong then, but know I know what is right. It's this mindset that has allowed me to continue to learn each and every day.
I honestly fiend for information, and find myself watching every documentary and reading every article that sparks my interest.
So, I do enjoy being wrong. It's much more mental stimulating then being right all the time.
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you are a rare creature among us. you should breed. ;)

+rep
 
Viagro

Viagro

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Regardless of all the rationalization, PROHIBITION IS WRONG.

Vote yes for any form of decriminalization, and you vote to live in a truly free country.
 
Serapis

Serapis

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I just don't see High Times and NORML encouraging a yes vote, when they both rely on and exist for the community, unless they really believed it was a good law. No one should go to jail for growing a plant.
 
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